Is trump about to lie us into another war like W did with his weapons of mass destruction claims?

[bongsaway]

When countries engaged in acts of war is not a war, how do we know when we are in a war?

Was there any question when Roosevelt announced we are at war with the Japanese empire? That's how we know.

 

[humbolt]

Do you say the same thing about the Jewish nation oppressing people in the nation of Palestine?

There is no “nation” of Palestine. There could be one. There have been opportunities.

 

[Questerr]

There is no “nation” of Palestine. There could be one. There have been opportunities.

Sure there is. The vast majority of the world acknowledges it.

 

[humbolt]

Sure there is. The vast majority of the world acknowledges it.

We don’t.

 

[Bullseye]

you were trying to be cute somehow

sorry I messed that up for you

Don't worry, you didn't.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

That would be because humans developed those strategies. But it really drills much deeper into the core beliefs of individuals in positions of power.h

I am going to go out on a limb and say that strategies can never be transmogrified into humans.

I’ve already told you.

You said that a strategy was irrational.
then we concluded that the strategy was not irrational, but perhaps some people were.

imho, simply declaring something so is not the same as presenting a case and making an argument. ymmv

Do you really need to have a recitation of facts already in evidence - that most people in this country have already heard over the past 40+

It'd be nice to hear the things that you think indicate that the leadership of Iran is irrational.

Just because I am aware of facts does not mean that I will reach the same conclusions as you.

Because you referenced it. I assumed you had one or could recite the nations. Apparently entry you don’t, or can’t.

I did?

Where did I do that?

Can you help a confused old man remember where he said something in this thread about "a list of those threatening Iraq"?
[ I don't know if it makes any difference at all, but the first time you asked you asked about Iran instead of Iraq ]

That explains the deficiency, then. You aren’t delusional - poorly informed perhaps.

Do you have a link to the best information available at this time regarding the relative rationality of Iran's leadership so I can correct my ignorance?

 

[Simon W. Moon]

Was there any question when Roosevelt announced we are at war with the Japanese empire? That's how we know.

So as long as Trump never utters those words, we will never be at war.

 

[Metric Mouse]

I agree we won't get into a declared war but I think we'll soon be hearing reports of dead service members from our entry into this latest conflict.

It's possible.

How long do you expect to wait to hear of these casualties? 30 days?

 

[Metric Mouse]

When countries engaged in acts of war is not a war, how do we know when we are in a war?

The US constitution isn't that long of a document... it tells us when the US is at war...

Check it out.

 

[bongsaway]

It's possible.

How long do you expect to wait to hear of these casualties? 30 days?

Within two weeks.

 

[bongsaway]

The US constitution isn't that long of a document... it tells us when the US is at war...

Check it out.

Does it say something along the lines of Congress must approve such actions and then it's up to the president to act on that approval or not? I'm not a constitutional scholar.

 

[H. E. Panqui]

There is no “nation” of Palestine. There could be one. There have been opportunities.

^^^

 

[H. E. Panqui]

The US constitution isn't that long of a document... it tells us when the US is at war...

Check it out.

As to many of the most important thing$ the US Con. is largely a dead letter...murdered by decades of the/?your stinking Republicrat shit puppet$.. check it out...

 

[Metric Mouse]

As to many of the most important thing$ the US Con. is largely a dead letter...murdered by decades of the/?your stinking Republicrat shit puppet$.. check it out...

Your Republicans, and the Republicans you support, have tried to ignore the constitution.

Progressives have held out, and stopped you from ignoring it. This is why we don't fear a war as much as you - we know what it takes to declare war, and you Republicans will never get it.

 

[Metric Mouse]

Does it say something along the lines of Congress must approve such actions and then it's up to the president to act on that approval or not? I'm not a constitutional scholar.

No.

Congress declares war, and only Congress.

Non war actions are up to the president, but subject to review because Congress funds the army - the president controls the military, but can't do a war without Congress. Congress can't do a war because they don't control the military.

 

[bongsaway]

No.

Congress declares war, and only Congress.

Non war actions are up to the president, but subject to review because Congress funds the army - the president controls the military, but can't do a war without Congress. Congress can't do a war because they don't control the military.

That's like saying cross this line and I'll declare war but that doesn't really mean anything unless the president who controls the military says let's go which is exactly what I posted the first time around. So what if Congress declares war if the president does nothing, no? It's like SCOTUS, they can make a ruling but they have no power to enforce it which is ridiculous.

 

[H. E. Panqui]

Your Republicans, and the Republicans you support, have tried to ignore the constitution.

Progressives have held out, and stopped you from ignoring it. This is why we don't fear a war as much as you - we know what it takes to declare war, and you Republicans will never get it.

^^^

Unlike you, I find 'both' [ime anyone not Boobus Republicratus understands they both work for the same cla$$ of plutocrat$] parties murderously retarded... Ime only a trifling low-info REPUBLICRAT-level person could argue about any puny foreign policy 'differences' between the $uper secretive R and D shit puppet interventionists, warmongers, regime changers, etc.

Unfortunately, ime, millions of ill-informed Republicrats affirm monstrously evil, stoooooooooopid, secret, etc., government with their every 'vote' for just about every one of these REBUBLICRAT shit puppet$ ... UGH!

Btw, I could be wrong but aren't 'progressives' mostly Democrats who support the secretive and murderously retarded regime change operation in Ukraine? Dinosaur NATO expansion, etc. ad gd nauseam...

 

[Simon W. Moon]

The US constitution isn't that long of a document... it tells us when the US is at war...

Check it out.

No, it does not.

The Constitution outlines who can declare war

A declaration of war and being at war are not the same thing.​

If you have an argument which shows that being at war and declaring war are the same thing, now would be the time to drag it out.


Do you understand that declaring war and being at war are distinct and different things?

War was once declared on the sea. Despite the official declaration, that was not actually a war. It was silly.​

The Vietnam war was never declared a war. Despite the lack of an official declaration, it was a war.​

 

[Metric Mouse]

No, it does not.

The Constitution outlines who can declare war.

Exactly.

So that would be when we are at war. Some random. Youtuber saying we are at war does not make it so.

Nor does some random politician- the constitution makes it very clear who decides when we are at war.

 

[Metric Mouse]

Btw, I could be wrong but aren't 'progressives' mostly Democrats who support the secretive and murderously retarded regime change operation in Ukraine? Dinosaur NATO expansion, etc. ad gd nauseam...

Yes, you are wrong.

Your pro Republican, pro status quo views no longer matter.

 

[H. E. Panqui]

Yes, you are wrong.

Your pro Republican, pro status quo views no longer matter.

^^^

'Pro-Republican'?!?! Ime the secretive, interventionist, warmongering foreign policy worldview of the R shit puppet$ and your D shit puppet$ are so similar only a trifling goddamned fool could quibble... ugh..

"Rep. Thomas Massie (R-KY) was the lone member of the House to vote against a resolution equating criticism of the modern state of Israel with antisemitism.

The resolution passed in a vote of 412-1-1, as Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D-MI) voted “present.” The bill states that the House “reaffirms the State of Israel has the right to exist” and “recognizes that denying Israel’s right to exist is a form of antisemitism...

...Massie has voted against other Israel-related legislation, including a bill to give Israel $14.3 billion more in military aid to support its war in Gaza. For his position, Massie has been targeted by the Israel lobby.

“Why does Israel historically get more foreign aid than any other country? Because they have the most aggressive lobbyists working for them. I voted NOT to send another $14.3 billion overseas, so now they’re running ads on radio, TV, and facebook. I won’t vote to give them your $,” Massie wrote on X on November 16"

Rep. Massie Casts Lone No Vote Against Bill Equating Anti-Zionism With Antisemitism - News From Antiwar.com

Rep. Thomas Massie (R-KY) was the lone member of the House to vote against a resolution equating criticism of the modern state of Israel with antisemitism. The resolution passed in a vote of 412-1-1, as Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D-MI) voted "present." The bill states that the House "reaffirms the State…

news.antiwar.com

 

[Simon W. Moon]

Exactly.
So that would be when we are at war. Some random. Youtuber saying we are at war does not make it so.
Nor does some random politician- the constitution makes it very clear who decides when we are at war.

Per my last email,

declaring war is distinct from being at war.

The two things are still not the same.

 

[H. E. Panqui]

Yes, you are wrong.

Your pro Republican, pro status quo views no longer matter.

^^^

Perhaps sometime you can outline the foreign policy 'differences' between the warmongering interventionist Republican shit puppet$ and your favorite warmongering interventionist Democrat shit puppet$.. Do you have any facts to bolster your, ime, ridiculous claims?