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Is Trump a new Barry Goldwater?

Crovax said:
If Mitt Romney was too conservative to vote for, why exactly is this guy a republican?
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Because he says so. That I can tell you. ;)
 
Skorpius said:
Interesting Read:

The Moderate Republican’s Case for Trump - POLITICO Magazine

It seems as though Trump's campaign is simply a culmination of the Tea Party nonsense and will lead to a huge reorganization of the Republican party. Hopefully, Libertarians get in charge!
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Excellent article. The GOP badly needs a serious enema to purge their system of the infection of tea party know nothings and right libertarians who were too cheap and lazy to form their own political party so they were content with hijacking the once proud Republican Party. A Trump nomination would lead to a debacle of topic proportions and I suspect Barry Goldwater is looking forward (from where ever he may rest) to seeing his name replaced as the nadir of modern Republican candidates.
 
Is Trump a new Barry Goldwater?
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no, he's unfit for office. i'd vote for my dog over him, and she still can't figure out where not to piss ten years in. i'd trust her with the nuclear suitcase over him hands down, though.
 
Skorpius said:
Interesting Read:

The Moderate Republican’s Case for Trump - POLITICO Magazine

It seems as though Trump's campaign is simply a culmination of the Tea Party nonsense and will lead to a huge reorganization of the Republican party. Hopefully, Libertarians get in charge!
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Here is the best part:

Although the far right’s mythology paints the Reagan years as the triumph of their ideas, the truth is that he governed very much in the moderate tradition of postwar Republican presidents. Reagan raised taxes 11 times, gave amnesty to illegal aliens, pulled American troops out of the Middle East, supported environmental regulations, raised the debt limit and appointed many moderates to key positions, including on the Supreme Court. But he skillfully kept his right flank protected by using thundering conservative rhetoric, even as he violated his own stated principles on a regular basis.

Read more: The Moderate Republican’s Case for Trump - POLITICO Magazine
 
Helix said:
no, he's unfit for office. i'd vote for my dog over him, and she still can't figure out where not to piss ten years in. i'd trust her with the nuclear suitcase over him hands down, though.
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We would need to hear your dog's views on ISIS/ISIL first though.
 
haymarket said:
Excellent article. The GOP badly needs a serious enema to purge their system of the infection of tea party know nothings and right libertarians who were too cheap and lazy to form their own political party so they were content with hijacking the once proud Republican Party. A Trump nomination would lead to a debacle of topic proportions and I suspect Barry Goldwater is looking forward (from where ever he may rest) to seeing his name replaced as the nadir of modern Republican candidates.
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What's wrong with Libertarians? Genuine question. I honestly want to know what it is that makes you hate us so much.
 
Riveroaks said:
We would need to hear your dog's views on ISIS/ISIL first though.
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it's my favorite Bob Dylan song, so she has heard it a lot. as for war, she is ready for it every time someone knocks, but she only weighs four pounds, so she gets over it pretty quickly.
 
Skorpius said:
Interesting Read:

The Moderate Republican’s Case for Trump - POLITICO Magazine

It seems as though Trump's campaign is simply a culmination of the Tea Party nonsense and will lead to a huge reorganization of the Republican party. Hopefully, Libertarians get in charge!
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Oh hell no. Barrys policies all revolved around fiscal means. No emotion in it whatsoever. Trumps policies are nothing but emotion and revolve completely around him and his glass house ego.
 
Helix said:
it's my favorite Bob Dylan song, so she has heard it a lot. as for war, she is ready for it every time someone knocks, but she only weighs four pounds, so she gets over it pretty quickly.
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My cat weighs 12 lbs.

That's him in the photo.

:D
 
Jesse Booth said:
What's wrong with Libertarians? Genuine question. I honestly want to know what it is that makes you hate us so much.
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Its a fairy tale pseudo ideology with no real world application that is all pie-in-the-sky promises built on axioms and adopted beliefs that have precious little to do with real people and real situations and the real world real people live in day to day. Its all pin-in-the-sky. And its a pie that is never baked, never sold, never eaten and never gets beyond words on a page.

It attempts to elevate personal selfishness to the level of political theory. It fosters beliefs and values which are the opposite of a sustainable community and society. And nearly every libertarian I have ever seen taking positions on issues I deeply care about is 100% opposite of my position. This is particularly true of that unique brand which loves to call themselves RIGHT LIBERTARIANS.

That is the short version.

oh - one more thing --- I am a very pragmatic and practical person who tends to judge things by how they actually work in the real world. Since the name LIBERTARIAN is akin to the skull and crossbones on a medicine bottle in the voting booth - the American people stay far far far away from it. And this brings me back to poe-in-the-sky. Did I mention that?
 
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poweRob said:
Oh hell no. Barrys policies all revolved around fiscal means. No emotion in it whatsoever. Trumps policies are nothing but emotion and revolve completely around him and his glass house ego.
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I honestly did not pay a lot of attention to Barry Goldwater.

I thought at the time he was John Birch but with a different name.
 
No.

People respect Goldwater, and he was not a dick.
 
Riveroaks said:
Nixon was a dick and he still got elected -- the second time around -- not the first though.
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Yes, but Trump waves his dick-ness in public. Trump is an arrogant SOB. Nixon was a seething little man who played vendetta politics.
 
Riveroaks said:
I honestly did not pay a lot of attention to Barry Goldwater.

I thought at the time he was John Birch but with a different name.
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Goldwater and William f Buckley hated the Birchers. Pretty much ran them out of the party back then. Of course now they have mounted their comeback via the koch brothers many fingers delving into politics. Kochs daddy was a founding member of the birch society.
 
beefheart said:
Yes, but Trump waves his dick-ness in public. Trump is an arrogant SOB. Nixon was a seething little man who played vendetta politics.
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I suspect Nixon was the first psycho elected to POTUS.

Maybe Trump will be the second. Too early to tell.

Need to wait until March Madness and see for sure.
 
haymarket said:
Its a fairy tale pseudo ideology with no real world application that is all pie-in-the-sky promises built on axioms and adopted beliefs that have precious little to do with real people and real situations and the real world real people live in day to day. Its all pin-in-the-sky. And its a pie that is never baked, never sold, never eaten and never gets beyond words on a page.

It attempts to elevate personal selfishness to the level of political theory. It fosters beliefs and values which are the opposite of a sustainable community and society. And nearly every libertarian I have ever seen taking positions on issues I deeply care about is 100% opposite of my position. This is particularly true of that unique brand which loves to call themselves RIGHT LIBERTARIANS.

That is the short version.

oh - one more thing --- I am a very pragmatic and practical person who tends to judge things by how they actually work in the real world. Since the name LIBERTARIAN is akin to the skull and crossbones on a medicine bottle in the voting booth - the American people stay far far far away from it. And this brings me back to poe-in-the-sky. Did I mention that?
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Okay. Thanks for the explanation.
 
haymarket said:
Its a fairy tale pseudo ideology with no real world application that is all pie-in-the-sky promises built on axioms and adopted beliefs that have precious little to do with real people and real situations and the real world real people live in day to day. Its all pin-in-the-sky. And its a pie that is never baked, never sold, never eaten and never gets beyond words on a page.

It attempts to elevate personal selfishness to the level of political theory. It fosters beliefs and values which are the opposite of a sustainable community and society. And nearly every libertarian I have ever seen taking positions on issues I deeply care about is 100% opposite of my position. This is particularly true of that unique brand which loves to call themselves RIGHT LIBERTARIANS.

That is the short version.

oh - one more thing --- I am a very pragmatic and practical person who tends to judge things by how they actually work in the real world. Since the name LIBERTARIAN is akin to the skull and crossbones on a medicine bottle in the voting booth - the American people stay far far far away from it. And this brings me back to poe-in-the-sky. Did I mention that?
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Are you strongly on the authoritarian side, then?
 
No real comparison of the times.

The Democrat core was northeast liberals ( Kennedy et al) and southern segregationists (Wallace et al). The Republicans were Midwest white middle Amerca, etc.

Th two biggie issues....race and imminent nuclear war. Neither of which dominate the country's focus today. Fear was a very real thing with nuclear war if not a probability, a real possibility.
 
Skorpius said:
Interesting Read:

The Moderate Republican’s Case for Trump - POLITICO Magazine

It seems as though Trump's campaign is simply a culmination of the Tea Party nonsense and will lead to a huge reorganization of the Republican party. Hopefully, Libertarians get in charge!
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Darn good article!

And it sums-up a great deal of my feelings about the current GOP, whom I despise.

It takes an awful lot of fear & anger to get me to vote for HRC.

But I have plenty of fear & anger towards today's GOP, to spare.
 
haymarket said:
nope. Simply a peaceful pragmatic progressive.
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You can be a peaceful, pragmatic progressive and still be a libertarian. You just can't be an authoritarian, since that's the opposite end of the spectrum.

Are you familiar with this site? It's been around for quite a while.
 
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