Is this sentiment completely gone?

Peter Grimm · Nov 7, 2012

I found this old song that was sung in the south after the Civil War. It reminds me that the more things change, the more things stay the same.

I know a lot of southerners have been brainwashed (or "reconstructed" as the song says) to the point where the old rebel spirit has turned into love of America. Maybe this election will remind folks that there is a cultural division between the north and the south.

The truth is like a seed, you can toss it in the dirt, stamp it in the ground, but it will always spring back up. A lot of people died in that war fighting for the rights of the states to self-govern, without the federal government intervening. I hope that spirit is never forgotten.

I'm A Good Old Rebel

Oh, I'm a good old Rebel,
Now, that's just what I am,
For this "fair land of freedom"
I do not care a damn.
I'm glad I fit against it --
I only wish we'd won;
And I don't want no pardon
For anything I've done.

I hates the Constitution,
This great Republic, too;
I hates the Freedmen's Bureau,
In uniforms of blue.
I hates the nasty eagle,
With all his brag and fuss;
But the lyin', thievin' Yankees,
I hates 'em wuss and wuss.

I hates the Yankee nation,
And everything they do;
I hates the Declaration
Of Independence, too;
I hates the glorious Union,
'Tis dripping with our blood;
And I hates the striped banner --
I fit it all I could.

I followed old Mars' Robert
For four year, near about,
Got wounded in three places,
And starved at Pint Lookout.
I cotch the roomatism
A-campin' in the snow,
But I killed a chance of Yankees --
And I'd like to kill some mo'.

Three hundred thousand Yankees
Is stiff in Southern dust;
We got three hundred thousand
Befo' they conquered us.
They died of Southern fever
And Southern steel and shot;
And I wish it was three millions
Instead of what we got.

I can't take up my musket
And fight 'em now no mo'.
But I ain't a-goin' to love 'em,
Now this is sartin sho';
And I don't want no pardon
For what I was and am,
And I won't be reconstructed,
And I don't care a damn.

roflpublican · Nov 7, 2012

well we fought a long, bloody war to decide this issue, and unfortunately the feds won. but hey, how about best 2 out of 3?

Goshin · Nov 7, 2012

A federation of sovereign states would suit me better than the current mess, I do confess.

Hey, that rhymed.

Aunt Spiker · Nov 7, 2012

Maybe this election will remind folks that there is a cultural division between the north and the south.

Yes - we are culturally different.

Is this a bad thing? Hardly. Just as there's a cultural difference between Southwest and Northeast . . . or Southeast and Northwest. . . or Alaska and Hawaii.

It doesn't follow the Mason Dixon line like you're implying but there's a general 'difference' between the general 'regions' (example - I was born/raised in Virginia and Maryland. Physical Southern-but down here I was considered a Northerner.)

Peter Grimm · Nov 7, 2012

Hey that's pretty good. You could probably add a lyric to that tune, it sure is catchy.

Goshin said:
A federation of sovereign states would suit me better than the current mess, I do confess.

Hey, that rhymed.

Peter Grimm · Nov 7, 2012

Northern Virginia and Maryland aren't really in the south anymore, would you say? But either way.

I don't think it's a bad thing to be culturally different either.

On the other hand, why should we all be forced to live under the same one-size-fits-all government? Northerners should be able to have Barack Obama every year if they want, but Southerners should be allowed to have the government we want as well.

We never really belonged under the same roof.

Aunt Spiker said:
Yes - we are culturally different.

Is this a bad thing? Hardly. Just as there's a cultural difference between Southwest and Northeast . . . or Southeast and Northwest. . . or Alaska and Hawaii.

It doesn't follow the Mason Dixon line like you're implying but there's a general 'difference' between the general 'regions' (example - I was born/raised in Virginia and Maryland. Physical Southern-but down here I was considered a Northerner.)

samsmart · Nov 7, 2012

Peter Grimm said:
I found this old song that was sung in the south after the Civil War. It reminds me that the more things change, the more things stay the same.

I know a lot of southerners have been brainwashed (or "reconstructed" as the song says) to the point where the old rebel spirit has turned into love of America. Maybe this election will remind folks that there is a cultural division between the north and the south.

The truth is like a seed, you can toss it in the dirt, stamp it in the ground, but it will always spring back up. A lot of people died in that war fighting for the rights of the states to self-govern, without the federal government intervening. I hope that spirit is never forgotten.

I'm A Good Old Rebel

Oh, I'm a good old Rebel,
Now, that's just what I am,
For this "fair land of freedom"
I do not care a damn.
I'm glad I fit against it --
I only wish we'd won;
And I don't want no pardon
For anything I've done.

I hates the Constitution,
This great Republic, too;
I hates the Freedmen's Bureau,
In uniforms of blue.
I hates the nasty eagle,
With all his brag and fuss;
But the lyin', thievin' Yankees,
I hates 'em wuss and wuss.

I hates the Yankee nation,
And everything they do;
I hates the Declaration
Of Independence, too;
I hates the glorious Union,
'Tis dripping with our blood;
And I hates the striped banner --
I fit it all I could.

I followed old Mars' Robert
For four year, near about,
Got wounded in three places,
And starved at Pint Lookout.
I cotch the roomatism
A-campin' in the snow,
But I killed a chance of Yankees --
And I'd like to kill some mo'.

Three hundred thousand Yankees
Is stiff in Southern dust;
We got three hundred thousand
Befo' they conquered us.
They died of Southern fever
And Southern steel and shot;
And I wish it was three millions
Instead of what we got.

I can't take up my musket
And fight 'em now no mo'.
But I ain't a-goin' to love 'em,
Now this is sartin sho';
And I don't want no pardon
For what I was and am,
And I won't be reconstructed,
And I don't care a damn.

If you ask me, while there may be regional divisions, nothing in that song is anything a Southerner should be proud of.

Peter Grimm · Nov 7, 2012

Says the Yankee.

samsmart said:
If you ask me, while there may be regional divisions, nothing in that song is anything a Southerner should be proud of.

samsmart · Nov 7, 2012

Peter Grimm said:
Says the Yankee.

And tell me exactly how you know my place of birth.

Peter Grimm · Nov 7, 2012

You have a union soldier as your avatar, how's that for a start?

samsmart said:
And tell me exactly how you know my place of birth.

samsmart · Nov 7, 2012

Peter Grimm said:
You have a union soldier as your avatar, how's that for a start?

You mean an officer who served well after the Civil War?

Peter Grimm · Nov 7, 2012

Either way, you're a flaming liberal, and in no way do you represent the South.

samsmart said:
You mean an officer who served well after the Civil War?

Goshin · Nov 7, 2012

Peter Grimm said:
Either way, you're a flaming liberal, and in no way do you represent the South.

Moderator's Warning:

Peter, ya need to get a grip there bud... no need to be nasty.

samsmart · Nov 7, 2012

Peter Grimm said:
Either way, you're a flaming liberal, and in no way do you represent the South.

Well, let's see what, according to that song, the South represents.

For this "fair land of freedom"
I do not care a damn.

I hates the Constitution,

I hates the Declaration
Of Independence, too;

So explain to me why the South should take pride in being against freedom, hating the Constitution, and hating the Declaration of Independence.

Peter Grimm · Nov 7, 2012

The south should be proud of its own southern culture, which is under threat, and of it's own right to independence, which was already denied.

The winners write the history books, but the south fought for its freedom because we're a unique culture who really out to rule our own destiny.

samsmart said:
Well, let's see what, according to that song, the South represents.

So explain to me why the South should take pride in being against freedom, hating the Constitution, and hating the Declaration of Independence.

samsmart · Nov 7, 2012

Peter Grimm said:
The south should be proud of its own southern culture, which is under threat, and of it's own right to independence, which was already denied.

The winners write the history books, but the south fought for its freedom because we're a unique culture who really out to rule our own destiny.

And to exploit labor without pay based on the color of people's skin.

Aunt Spiker · Nov 7, 2012

Peter Grimm said:
Northern Virginia and Maryland aren't really in the south anymore, would you say? But either way.

I don't think it's a bad thing to be culturally different either.

On the other hand, why should we all be forced to live under the same one-size-fits-all government? Northerners should be able to have Barack Obama every year if they want, but Southerners should be allowed to have the government we want as well.

We never really belonged under the same roof.

So you're a modern day separationist -- all because Obama won the presidency?

Peter Grimm said:
The south should be proud of its own southern culture, which is under threat, and of it's own right to independence, which was already denied.

The winners write the history books, but the south fought for its freedom because we're a unique culture who really out to rule our own destiny.

What's this 'we' **** - you live in Chicago . . . you're not like some Yokle from the deep like popap from GA. LOL

lizzie · Nov 7, 2012

Aunt Spiker said:
So you're a modern day separationist -- all because Obama won the presidency?

What's this 'we' **** - you live in Chicago . . . you're not like some Yokle from the deep like popap from GA. LOL

Hell, if I lived in Chicago, I'd want a separation too. :lol:

MMC · Nov 7, 2012

Peter Grimm said:
The south should be proud of its own southern culture, which is under threat, and of it's own right to independence, which was already denied.

The winners write the history books, but the south fought for its freedom because we're a unique culture who really out to rule our own destiny.

Well how about the Southern Cons then get back to their so called own Destiny, and run on their own party instead of the Republican Ticket. Trust me it will clear the air!

Peter Grimm · Nov 7, 2012

What about the child labor or the 16 plus hour workdays in horrid conditiond in northern factories in the 1800's? Where they any better off?

samsmart said:
And to exploit labor without pay based on the color of people's skin.

AGENT J · Nov 7, 2012

MMC said:
Well how about the Southern Cons then get back to their so called own Destiny, and run on their own party instead of the Republican Ticket. Trust me it will clear the air!

this is an AWESOME idea.
If he and supposedly others believe what he says they should simply form there own party :shrug:

samsmart · Nov 7, 2012

Peter Grimm said:
What about the child labor or the 16 plus hour workdays in horrid conditiond in northern factories in the 1800's? Where they any better off?

If someone posted a song celebrating such things I would call them out on that too.

Peter Grimm · Nov 7, 2012

I'm from Texas, currently living in Chicago.

I love Chicago, I like northerners, but I've always been a seperationist. I see no reason why we all need to have the same elected officials when we are such different people. It's not like the british are still trying to take us over.

Aunt Spiker said:
So you're a modern day separationist -- all because Obama won the presidency?

What's this 'we' **** - you live in Chicago . . . you're not like some Yokle from the deep like popap from GA. LOL

Peter Grimm · Nov 7, 2012

What part of the song glorifies slavery?

Does yankee doodle glorify killing indians?

samsmart said:
If someone posted a song celebrating such things I would call them out on that too.

samsmart · Nov 7, 2012

Peter Grimm said:
What part of the song glorifies slavery?

Well, specifically, it's deriding freedom, the Declaration of Independence, and the Constitution that I don't see any reason to be proud of this song.

You were the one who said that the South should celebrate the need to fulfill it's own destiny. However, the reason why the South seceded was to continue the institution of exploitation of labor by people based solely on the color of their skin.

And I don't think the perpetuation of human rights abuses is a destiny that should be fulfilled.

Is this sentiment completely gone?

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