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Is this ok with you?

No. The argued that because they were providing peer to peer platforms they were not traditional publishers and could not be responsible for moderating the content they publish and should not be treated like traditional publishers. Congress bought it.

You've got that entirely flipped around. The purpose of Section 230 is to allow internet platforms to moderate content on their services, not to absolve them of any responsibility to do so.

Before Section 230, there were a number of court cases where people tried to sue message boards and bulletin boards under the exact argument you seem to be making - that because those boards were moderated, they were "publishers", and therefore were liable under defamation laws, etc. Some of those cases resulted in internet services losing.

So as a whole, internet service providers stopped moderating - because if they did, they could be held liable as a publisher. Which meant child porn started showing up everywhere - in AOL chat rooms, message boards, etc.

Section 230 was passed to allow internet services to moderate their content, and still not be held liable as a publisher.
 
You are splitting hairs. NYT is responsible for what they put in print, written by staff or others.

And Twitter and Facebook ... have statutory immunity from that responsibility.

[/quote]First of all, it's not 'censorship.' But if you insist on calling it that, DP censors content, as does every outlet on the planet that moderates their comment sites and deletes porn, scams, trolls, bad words like the f word, bot armies, and more. If you don't moderate (i.e. censor) then your site will turn into a rat infested shithole. That's the advantage of "censorship" in this era.[/quote]

It's texbook censorship.

1 : a person who supervises conduct and morals: such as
a : an official who examines materials (such as publications or films) for objectionable matter
b: an official (as in time of war) who reads communications (such as letters) and deletes material considered sensitive or harmful


And the rationale is Twitter isn't responsible for what someone else puts up on their site. They have millions or billions of comments a day, and holding them financially responsible for all billion of them is of course unreasonable. We don't even want to hold DP responsible for what our benevolent dictators decide to ban/delete or not, because they're just doing their job as best they can. It's their site, their rules, and we agree to them when we sign up. That's private property in a nutshell.

So twitter should be able to have their cake and eat it too? Is that your argument? It's impossible for us to monitor what everyone is doing - except if it's something that offends us politically.

OK, so if DP doesn't want to be responsible for "censorship" then the government should require them to allow porn, trolls, obvious racists, those who spend all day personally insulting other members - in short unless they want to be on the financial hook the owners need to agree to let this place turn into a shithole of trolls and cranks and scams!

Nope. They are allowed to have rules, otherwise, as you say the place would be a shithole. But they are not allowed to arbirarily enforce or make up those rules.

I don't agree! It's their playground and we play by their rules, and they can be fair or unfair, as much as they decide. If we don't like how they run this place, we can leave and they'll instruct us not to let the door hit us on the ass as we exit THEIR PLAYGROUND. Seems fair to me. What I suspect is some of us like this place BECAUSE THEY CENSOR CONTENT.

Bullshit. They have a rule against publishing personal information. If Jasper posts Rawley's home address and says - go **** him up, and DP knows about it, but allows it to stay up becasue they like Jasper and don't like Rawley, they are on the hook for damages, it doesn't matter if they are a private actor. .


They can be enforced arbitrarily if the owners decide to do that. You have no right to be treated "fairly" by DP. If they ban you for any reason, you have no right to sue them.

FWIW, I just checked and Twitter changed their rules on 'hacked' material. So the proper response to an action the public doesn't like is public pressure on a private company. For some reason you want to turn to Big Government to force policies on private businesses that you PREFER.

Again, you are missing the point, Big Government is now enforcing a policy. WE want Big Government out of it and stop protecting Big Tech.
 
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You've got that entirely flipped around. The purpose of Section 230 is to allow internet platforms to moderate content on their services, not to absolve them of any responsibility to do so.

Before Section 230, there were a number of court cases where people tried to sue message boards and bulletin boards under the exact argument you seem to be making - that because those boards were moderated, they were "publishers", and therefore were liable under defamation laws, etc. Some of those cases resulted in internet services losing.

So as a whole, internet service providers stopped moderating - because if they did, they could be held liable as a publisher. Which meant child porn started showing up everywhere - in AOL chat rooms, message boards, etc.

Section 230 was passed to allow internet services to moderate their content, and still not be held liable as a publisher.
That was a secondary immunity granted to them - section c2. The main immunity was they would not be treated as publishers - section c1
 
What you're suggesting is a two part obligation:

1) Twitter and DP are responsible for what they allow to be said/linked, etc, on here and must delete/ban/remove any defamatory or similar material that harms you or me, or else we can sue them into bankruptcy.

2) The are also responsible for NOT publishing/banning the wrong things. So if they prohibit some article from being linked, we can sue them for that if the linking of it arguably helps us, or if it's unfair in some way.

So every decision, every post, requires them to make a decision, leave it or delete it, and no matter what they do, if you think they did it wrong, they should be financially on the hook for that. For Twitter that's millions or billions of potentially financial ruinous decisions per day......
That's why they need to have rules and not do it ad hoc - like they did with the material potentially damaging the VP Biden.
 
That was a secondary immunity granted to them - section c2. The main immunity was they would not be treated as publishers - section c1

Both 230c1 and 230c2 serve the same purpose.

See Cubby, Inc. v. CompuServe Inc., 776 F. Supp. 135 (S.D.N.Y. 1991) and Stratton Oakmont, Inc. v. Prodigy Services Co., 1995 WL 323710 (N.Y. Sup. Ct. 1995).
 
Both 230c1 and 230c2 serve the same purpose.

See Cubby, Inc. v. CompuServe Inc., 776 F. Supp. 135 (S.D.N.Y. 1991) and Stratton Oakmont, Inc. v. Prodigy Services Co., 1995 WL 323710 (N.Y. Sup. Ct. 1995).
No, they serve different purposes. c1 says they will not be held liable like a traditional publisher for content published on their site. c2 says they will not be held liable if they remove objectionable material from their site.
 
No, they serve different purposes. c1 says they will not be held liable like a traditional publisher for content published on their site. c2 says they will not be held liable if they remove objectionable material from their site.

Those are just two parts of the same purpose.

Before Section 230 was passed, if a site was entirely unmoderated, it was not considered a publisher, but a distributor - and therefore not liable as a publisher would be, in cases of defamation. If it was moderated, it was a publisher.

The purpose of Section 230c1 was to allow sites to moderate the content on them without being considered a publisher, and Section 230c2 was to protect them from other possible liabilities due to moderation.
 
Remember the days when the Democrats used to support free speech? How far have they fallen.
remember the days when we knew freedom of speech only pertained to the gov?
 
remember the days when we knew freedom of speech only pertained to the gov?
Well, in this case, the Gvt is giving them immunity for speech on their sites, so the Gvt is implicated.
 
Well, in this case, the Gvt is giving them immunity for speech on their sites, so the Gvt is implicated.
They are given immunity for speech that they didn't make, but allowed to be posted on their site because it is unreasonable for them to be able to check everything before it is posted.
 
THat's the kicker, once they get into the business of selecting which content to publish and which to censor, they are a publisher.

Only in your imagination... There are over two decades worth of cases based on the law as its written.
 
Only in your imagination... There are over two decades worth of cases based on the law as its written.
?? They are publishers. 230 immunity, though, says don't treat them as publishers.
 
?? They are publishers. 230 immunity, though, says don't treat them as publishers.
Only conservatives are trying to claim they are publishers. And then only those who are upset about their enforcing their policies to not allow stupid political crap to flow across their boards, platforms because those conservatives, those Trumpers want people to be fed misinformation. They want that to harm their opponents.
 
?? They are publishers. 230 immunity, though, says don't treat them as publishers.


This is a fantasy dreamt up by those who have no actual understanding of the law. The ONLY way section 230 protections are going to be changed is to change the law. There is absolutely no other way... Good luck getting it changed...
 
No matter how polemically I describe leftist thought and behavior, I can never quite match the absurdity of the real thing.
Perhaps you should try by learning the meaning of the words and their proper use.
 
?? They are publishers. 230 immunity, though, says don't treat them as publishers.

Even without Section 230, they are only legally considered to be publishers if they exercise any editorial control or moderation.

Section 230 allows them to moderate content without being considered a publisher.
 
Censorship. Twitter. Facebook. Banning, removing, blocking posts exposing Bidens involvement in corruption, specific knowledge and involvement of his sons cash for access to Joe incidents, Bidens knowledge and involvement in illegal election tampering and spying, and more and more. Serious allegations. Seemingly with proof. And then blocking content, posts, that are pro Trump.
Look. Im not a Trump freak. I AM someone who VALUES MY FREEDOM AND YOURS!!!!
The easy response is the "theyre private companies" response. Dont cut it anymore. Social media has become too integrated into our lives. If the phone company cut you off if you were talking about something they didnt like, would you defend that? If we dont have access to ALL the information, ESPECIALLY at this level, we are in REAL trouble. And its only a matter of time to where it effects YOU!!! Not just those you may or may not support.
So.........
Do you support media...on line, in print, broadcast...blocking SERIOUS content harmful to one, but not the other.
Is this the America YOU want?
If Twitter and/or Facebook and other online sites want to censor content they have given up their protection as a neutral content provider and subjected themselves to legal action by users whose first amendment rights they've abridged.
 
Censorship. Twitter. Facebook. Banning, removing, blocking posts exposing Bidens involvement in corruption, specific knowledge and involvement of his sons cash for access to Joe incidents, Bidens knowledge and involvement in illegal election tampering and spying, and more and more. Serious allegations. Seemingly with proof. And then blocking content, posts, that are pro Trump.
Look. Im not a Trump freak. I AM someone who VALUES MY FREEDOM AND YOURS!!!!
The easy response is the "theyre private companies" response. Dont cut it anymore. Social media has become too integrated into our lives. If the phone company cut you off if you were talking about something they didnt like, would you defend that? If we dont have access to ALL the information, ESPECIALLY at this level, we are in REAL trouble. And its only a matter of time to where it effects YOU!!! Not just those you may or may not support.
Do you support media...on line, in print, broadcast...blocking SERIOUS content harmful to one, but not the other.
Censorship of unserious, spurious Russian propaganda? Yep, okay with me.
 
If Twitter and/or Facebook and other online sites want to censor content they have given up their protection as a neutral content provider and subjected themselves to legal action by users whose first amendment rights they've abridged.


Only in your fantasy world.. In the real world and in the courts, they still have it...
 
Is this the America YOU want?

Is it okay with you that the President of the United States said he didn’t know whether top Democrats are part of a secret Satanic pedophile cult and had “no position” on whether, as Vice President, Biden ordered the murder of Navy SEALs?

Trump has taken us to this place. Blame him, not the media refusing to post his ravings.
 
Only in your fantasy world.. In the real world and in the courts, they still have it...
Do I have to explain what the word "if" means?
 
This is a fantasy dreamt up by those who have no actual understanding of the law.

Back atacha

The ONLY way section 230 protections are going to be changed is to change the law. There is absolutely no other way... Good luck getting it changed...

They very well may have screwed themselves with this Biden debacle. Even ****bubble Democrats are concerned with the power these tech folks wield.
 
Censorship. Twitter. Facebook. Banning, removing, blocking posts exposing1 Bidens involvement in corruption, specific2 knowledge and involvement of his sons cash2a for access to Joe incidents, Bidens knowledge and involvement in illegal election tampering3 and spying4, and more and more. Serious 5 allegations. Seemingly with proof6. And then

1. Alleging is not 'exposing'
2. No it's still a pretty vague collection of who 'knew' who; 2a with no trail of money changing hands for a particular deed
3. Disproven by lack of evidence - even Barr's 'investigation' found nothing;
4. plus that was not even in the NY Post article - it was about Ukraine allegations; you just threw this in for kicks
5. No not serious, because they lack evidence (see summary)
6. See Five: no actual evidence, just repetition of the accusation

Summary: those sites flagged it as misinformation because it didn't check a single box

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