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Is this an extreme position?

No restrictions on abortion at all -- extreme?

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CLAX1911 said:
Because it is the farthest from the middle ground. As extreme as a complete ban on it
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Some issues don't require a middle ground. What is the middle ground on slavery?
 
Dans La Lune said:
Some issues don't require a middle ground. What is the middle ground on slavery?
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It's extreme to think that some humans aren't legally persons, right?
 
Josie said:
Is wanting no legal restrictions on abortion at all at any stage of pregnancy an extreme position? Please vote and comment below.
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As presented, yes.

However, the scenario that would be extreme in the position...that of a perfectly healthy soon to be mom with a perfectly healthy, viable offspring scheduled to be birthed in 2 weeks or whatever, opting to abort, however that process would be undergone...simply wouldn't happen, imo.

Hard to believe, but Dr's have a conscious as well. It would likely be very difficult to convince a Dr to do that, without some sort of medical reason behind it. It would be a violation of "do no harm". Could even open them up to litigation from family members.
 
Josie said:
It's extreme to think that some humans aren't legally persons, right?
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What's the middle ground between slave owners wanting to keep slaves, and slaves wanting to be free?

Also, you appear to have missed my challenge: LINK
 
KevinKohler said:
As presented, yes.

However, the scenario that would be extreme in the position...that of a perfectly healthy soon to be mom with a perfectly healthy, viable offspring scheduled to be birthed in 2 weeks or whatever, opting to abort, however that process would be undergone...simply wouldn't happen, imo.

Hard to believe, but Dr's have a conscious as well. It would likely be very difficult to convince a Dr to do that, without some sort of medical reason behind it. It would be a violation of "do no harm". Could even open them up to litigation from family members.
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That's the thing, isn't it? Doctors won't even touch life-threatening pregnancies because there's no legal line as to when a pregnancy will threaten the life of the mother. It's a stipulation designed to force doctors into an untenable position. Thus they send mothers away with life-threatening pregnancies, even if the fetus is dead or nonviable.

This is the world that Josie wants to live in. She's not asking honest questions and she knows it.
 
Dans La Lune said:
What's the middle ground between slave owners wanting to keep slaves, and slaves wanting to be free?

Also, you appear to have missed my challenge: LINK
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There is no middle ground.

It’s extreme to think some humans aren’t legally persons, right?
 
Josie said:
There is no middle ground.

It’s extreme to think some humans aren’t legally persons, right?
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I think all people are people. Is this a person?


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Dans La Lune said:
Are you saying there is no human in that photo? I just want to be clear before we proceed.
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A gestation sac (or several gestational sacs) isn't a human.

A zygote, embryo or fetus is a human.
 
Josie said:
A gestation sac (or several gestational sacs) isn't a human.

A zygote, embryo or fetus is a human.
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Are you saying there is no human in that photo? I just want to be clear before we proceed. Yes or no.
 
Dans La Lune said:
Are you saying there is no human in that photo? I just want to be clear before we proceed. Yes or no.
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A gestation sac (or several gestational sacs) isn't a human.

A zygote, embryo or fetus is a human.
 
Josie said:
A gestation sac (or several gestational sacs) isn't a human.

A zygote, embryo or fetus is a human.
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The embryo cannot be seen in that photo because it is not easily visible to the naked eye.

Try this one. Is there a human here with equal rights to you?


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Dans La Lune said:
The embryo cannot be seen in that photo because it is not easily visible to the naked eye.

Try this one. Is there a human here with equal rights to you?


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As I've said already, a zygote, embryo and fetus are all humans.
 
Josie said:
As I've said already, a zygote, embryo and fetus are all humans.
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No, you tried to avoid say that this clump of cells without a heart or brain is equal to you. The previous image was 5 weeks, this is 9 weeks. It wasn't just an gestational sack, it was everything related to the pregnancy that was not of the mother.

"Above is pregnancy tissue at seven weeks. There is still no visible embryo. The gestational sac is not yet half an inch. “I have been in the training field, and medical students and clinicians who see it are also shocked. That is how pervasive this misinformation is,” Fleischman says.

Patients may come in for an abortion fearful at this stage, having read through forums or looked at images online. “They’re expecting to see a little fetus with hands – a developed, miniature baby.” Often, she says, “they feel they’ve been deceived.”

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"“If you zoom in on anything, including sperm and an egg getting fertilized, it’s just an incredible thing to watch. But that’s very different from the everyday ways we see life. That perspective to me is the most relevant – but it is somehow absent from our consciousness,” says Fleischman."

www.theguardian.com

What a pregnancy actually looks like before 10 weeks – in pictures

In 13 US states, abortion is banned even in the earliest stages of pregnancy. But we rarely see what such tissue really looks like
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I laugh at right-wing libertarians who talk about small government and individual rights, then seek to leverage government to force women into physically damaging, often life-threatening situations and financial destitution because ~50 years ago Jerry Falwell and others conspired with the super-rich to make this an issue.

Such free thinkers.
 
Dans La Lune said:
No, you tried to avoid say that this clump of cells without a heart or brain is equal to you. The previous image was 5 weeks, this is 9 weeks. It wasn't just an gestational sack, it was everything related to the pregnancy that was not of the mother.
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Yes. The photographs are after an abortion. I've read the website -- it's part of another thread here.

A zygote, embryo and fetus are all still humans.

Dans La Lune said:
I laugh at right-wing libertarians who talk about small government and individual rights, then seek to leverage government to force women into physically damaging, often life-threatening situations and financial destitution because ~50 years ago Jerry Falwell and others conspired with the super-rich to make this an issue.

Such free thinkers.
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Please tell me (a woman) how I should think.
 
Josie said:
Yes. The photographs are after an abortion. I've read the website -- it's part of another thread here.
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Apparently you did not, because you were just arguing some stupid shit that I had to (easily) refute.

Josie said:
A zygote, embryo and fetus are all still humans.
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Just not people.

Josie said:
Please tell me (a woman) how I should think.
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Oh I know! And Clarence Thomas represents the black community.
 
Josie said:
Yes. The photographs are after an abortion. I've read the website -- it's part of another thread here.

A zygote, embryo and fetus are all still humans.
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How is a zygote a human?
 
CLAX1911 said:
There's thousands of threads to talk about what you want to talk about go talk about it there there's no need to commandeer one that doesn't have anything to do with it.
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Sure. A discussion of what makes something extreme has zero relevance in a thread about whether something is extreme. Makes absolute sense.
 
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