Is there no inconsistency in Zimmerman's story?

[joko104]

I'm guessing this is your first day posting on the issue because it is well known TM ran away from GZ.

You are 100% wrong. TM first approached GZ while TM was reaching into his pocket, but then ran when he saw GZ on the phone to 911.
TM then did a double take and again approached GZ when he was off the phone to 911, at which time TM engaged in felony aggravated assault of GZ.

 

[sharon]

That;s no explanation whatsoever. The Judge has no way to know if GZ ever spoke to his attorney about his economic situation, nor is there any way to know if the attorney inadvertantly or deliberately filed a false application.
There is no possible way:
for the judge to know if GZ was honest with is attorney,
no way for the judge to know if the attorney even spoke to GZ before filing the application,
wrong for the judge to so speculate and grotesque for the judge to try to force GZ and his attorney to testify against each other over what they may have said to each other in privileged communications.

OMara is an old pro.. He would not have deceived the court deliberately.. Judge Lester knows that.. There's no conspiracy.

 

[sharon]

You are 100% wrong. TM first approached GZ while TM was reaching into his pocket, but then ran when he saw GZ on the phone to 911.
TM then did a double take and again approached GZ when he was off the phone to 911, at which time TM engaged in felony aggravated assault of GZ.

Aggravated assault in Florida would mean Trayvon assaulted a minor with a firearm.

 

[Jerry]

Serino asked about that.. He asked George if he was blocking Trayvon's punches because there was no bruising on his forarms.

If the block met the forearm of the punch, it wouldn't likely leave a bruise.

It's to bad that in this day and age someone didn't pull out a cell phone and record the fight.

 

[joko104]

Aggravated assault in Florida would mean Trayvon assaulted a minor with a firearm.

Aggravated assault means assaulting someone causing a serious injury. You are thinking of assault with a deadly weapon.

 

[sharon]

It was TM who first reached into his pocket, it is known TM did not fear GZ or he would not have approached him, and it was TM who assaulted GZ.

Wanting to go beat the hell out of someone because the person reported you to the police and is watching you to tell them where you went does not justify aggravated felony assault.

Your opinion that anyone may violently assault you if you reached into your purse or pocket is an absurdity.

Trayvon was holding his phone.. the wire to his headset... Do you understand?

 

[sharon]

Aggravated assault means assaulting someone causing a serious injury. You are thinking of assault with a deadly weapon.

No I am not.

Read Aggravated Assault in Florida..

 

[Redbeard]

If the block met the forearm of the punch, it wouldn't likely leave a bruise.

It's to bad that in this day and age someone didn't pull out a cell phone and record the fight.

True enough.

Apparently the only actual eye witness is Zimmerman. And as they say "sometimes truth is stranger than fiction".

 

[joko104]

OMara is an old pro.. He would not have deceived the court deliberately.. Judge Lester knows that.. There's no conspiracy.

1. That is not something a judge may take "judicial knowledge" of.
2. The is no presumption that inaccurate information means deliberate deception.
3. The attorney may have filed the application without even speaking to Zimmerman.
4. The attorney's clerk may have prepared a standard language application.
5. For the judge to presume GZ lied to his attorney - rather than the attorney may have made a mistake - is the judge screaming a prejudice against GZ
6. It is known the only way GZ or the attorney could contradict the FACT-CLAIM of the judge is for GZ and his attorney to divulge their privileged communications.
7. It is ABSURD for a judge to assert as a fact finding that an inaccurate pleading by an attorney means it is fact the client lied to his/her attorney.
8. It is grotesque misconduct for a judge to even speculate of attorney-client privileged communications.

GZ's attorney should request a subpoena for both the Judge and GZ, each to testify as to speculations and knowledge of the attorney-client communications between GZ and his attorney, while at the same time filing an emergency motion to remove the judge with the Court of Appeals for the judge deliberately making himself a fact-witness and deliberately forcing testimony of privileged communications.

The noob just is corrupt and incompetent, who screamed he is bias against GZ in the most improper ways in the last hearing.

 

[joko104]

Aggravated assault means assaulting someone causing a serious injury. You are thinking of assault with a deadly weapon.

Doesn't have to be a minor.

 

[sharon]

Doesn't have to be a minor.

The statute spells it out.. Could be an elderly person or someone in uniform. You should read it.

 

[joko104]

Trayvon was holding his phone.. the wire to his headset... Do you understand?

No, in the call to the police GZ told the operator that TM reached into his pocket and his waistband.

 

[Redbeard]

The noob just is corrupt and incompetent, who screamed he is bias against GZ in the most improper ways in the last hearing.

Well, time can be one's friend.

First we have thin skinned Angela Corey and her unscrupulous methods in manipulating evidence. To wit: Filing a misleading affidavit that willfully omitted all injuries Zimmerman sustained during the struggle described. Information that was in a truthful affidavit that would have been beneficial to the defendant. She believes it is her right to submit only half truths (legal for her, illegal for others) in an affidavit of probable cause. Also, she had knowledge of the stress test results. Those results, when used in conjunction and as a corroborating fact with the injury report, could have also been presented at the time of the probable cause hearing for the judge to consider, which would have also been beneficial to the defendant. Withholding relevant information from an judge during an probable cause hearing in effect hinders a judge incapable of making an informed decision on the proper charge to be entered.

Judge Kenneth Lester, Jr., it has been disclosed that Judge Lester is married to a long-time homicide prosecutor (Dorothy Sedgwick) in the state's attorney's office in Orange County. (Orange County is adjacent to Seminole County and includes Orlando). It's also the county that filed battery charges against Zimmerman in 2005, which were withdrawn. And is also the county still reeling from the biatch slapping they received from the Casey Anthony trial just one year ago the 5th of July.

Having Judge Lester presiding could be a blessing in disguise. Some consider him “the hanging judge”. While he doesn’t hold the distinction of being the most overturned judge on appeals, he may consider himself to be a serious contender. And should O’Mara prove to be the Attorney he has been accredited with, Judge Lester will be closely scrutinized and an itemized list being taken for future references should any motions needing to be filed with the Appeals Court.

 

[sharon]

No, in the call to the police GZ told the operator that TM reached into his pocket and his waistband.

Listen again.. Trayvon put his hand to his waist.. he was securing his phone as he jogged off.

I know GZ was paranoid.. but sheesh.

 

[ric27]

As a follow-up: I tried researching whether or not the gun was fingerprinted. I found a couple loose claims that it was, but I can't find the results. If even a partial print from no_limit_nigga is found on the pistol, Mr. Zimmerman will walk.

As it is, though, I can't find such test results.

Mr Zimmerman said, he felt no_limit_nigga's hand going down to his side and an attempt by no_limit_nigga to disarm Mr. Zimmerman would lead to a reasonable fear of death.

Even prior to Mr. Zimmerman deducing that no_limit_nigga was going for Mr. Zimmerman's pistol, Mr. Zimmerman would still get the green light of fearing for his life because no_limit_nigga might have rendered Mr. Zimmerman unconscious plus retreat was impossible for Mr. Zimmerman

Mr. Zimmerman had no choice but to shoot no_limit_nigga.... to stop no_limit_nigga's threat. Mr. Zimmerman was justified in using lethal force.

 

[Furiounova]

No, in the call to the police GZ told the operator that TM reached into his pocket and his waistband.

That is not what he said. He did say:

"He's got his hand in his waistband. And he's a black male."

Since we know he was on the phone it makes perfect sense he had his hand in his waistband holding his phone out of the rain. Of course to GZ it signified suspicion.

 

[Furiounova]

Mr Zimmerman said, he felt no_limit_nigga's hand going down to his side and an attempt by no_limit_nigga to disarm Mr. Zimmerman would lead to a reasonable fear of death.

Even prior to Mr. Zimmerman deducing that no_limit_nigga was going for Mr. Zimmerman's pistol, Mr. Zimmerman would still get the green light of fearing for his life because no_limit_nigga might have rendered Mr. Zimmerman unconscious plus retreat was impossible for Mr. Zimmerman

Mr. Zimmerman had no choice but to shoot no_limit_nigga.... to stop no_limit_nigga's threat. Mr. Zimmerman was justified in using lethal force.

It's amazing how GZ supporters ignore his inconsistent statements, believe everything he says, even when he contradicts himself, accuse anyone of lying or being part of a conspiracy if they say something against him, and completely ignore the fact he is a proven liar against the court.

They either love GZ or really hate black people.

 

[sharon]

That is not what he said. He did say:

"He's got his hand in his waistband. And he's a black male."

Since we know he was on the phone it makes perfect sense he had his hand in his waistband holding his phone out of the rain. Of course to GZ it signified suspicion.

George let his paranoia get the best of him.. the methamphetamines and Restoril couldn't help.

Do you think Zimmerman's injuries are consistent with a frightened teenager fighting for his life?

 

[mike2810]

George let his paranoia get the best of him.. the methamphetamines and Restoril couldn't help.

Do you think Zimmerman's injuries are consistent with a frightened teenager fighting for his life?

No, they seem consistent of GZ fighting for his life.

Ever wonder why TM had no bruising on his face? Could it be that GZ did not throw back any/many punches in defense, That he was attempting to block TM's punches. That GZ used the gun as a last resort to stop TM from attacking him.

It is interesting how you pose questions.

 

[ric27]

It's amazing how GZ supporters ignore his inconsistent statements, believe everything he says, even when he contradicts himself, accuse anyone of lying or being part of a conspiracy if they say something against him, and completely ignore the fact he is a proven liar against the court.

They either love GZ or really hate black people.

Whats your problem? Most of the state's witnesses actually help Mr. Zimmerman's self-defense case, and the others don't really put a dent in it

At the end....what *hard evidence*does the state really have on Mr. Zimmerman?

I'll answer that......Nada

 

[What if...?]

At least we all acknowledge that Zimm was watching TM's hands, as sharon indicated he didn't. As to the reason Tray went into his waist band, feel free to take all the guesses you want.

Occams Razor says "17 year old black male into hip hop culture" probably wears his pnts down around his ass.

This style requires frequent "hitching of the britches". It even requires them to hold their pants up to run.

 

[mike2810]

They either love GZ or really hate black people.

Please. why throw out such a statement? There is no such evidence the posters supporting GZ hate black people. It adds nothing to the debate. So should you be asked, do you "either love TM, or really hate white people". Now didn't that just uplift the debate in a better direction.:mrgreen:

 

[What if...?]

NO_LIMIT_NIGGA is part of the tons of information that the state attorney is required to share with the defense team and vice versa

Just like, the pot, the hot jewelry, the suspension from school several times a year, not responsible enough to do his homework, etc, etc will also be there

Deal with it.

I thought he was a B student.

 

[buck]

Occams Razor says "17 year old black male into hip hop culture" probably wears his pnts down around his ass.

This style requires frequent "hitching of the britches". It even requires them to hold their pants up to run.

Great another guess. At least we all acknowledge that Sharon was wrong, yet again.

 

[Excon]

Occams Razor says "17 year old black male into hip hop culture" probably wears his pnts down around his ass.

This style requires frequent "hitching of the britches". It even requires them to hold their pants up to run.

And?
That surely doesn't make it any less suspicious.

As for a hand in the pants, no.

I had a guy try to strong arm me, he used that motion to suggest he had a gun. Once I started to approach him, he had to pull his hand out (showing he didn't have jack), just to grab the waistband to pull up his pants so he could run.