Is there no inconsistency in Zimmerman's story?

[Thunder]

Yeah, except for one problem, there was a legitimate reason for using that photo. The guy has the same name and looks similar.....

they look nothing alike.

except they are both black....but I guess that was god enough....for Michele Malkin.

 

[Furiounova]

Yeah, except for one problem, there was a legitimate reason for using that photo. The guy has the same name and looks similar.
Once it was discovered that it wasn't the specific Trayvon in question, it stopped being used.

Really? When it was proven the photo was fake I didn't see anyone change their claims about TM being a thug. There was no legit reason to use a photo of someone else and claim it was TM. It was simply political desperation.

 

[Excon]

they look nothing alike.

except they are both black....but I guess that was god enough....for Michele Malkin.

Wrong. They do look similar and had the same name.

 

[Thunder]

Wrong. They do look similar and had the same name.

their faces don't look anything a like.

but yeah, they are both black. which I guess is enough, for some folks.

and btw, the original pic came from a white supremacist website...which didn't seem to bother all the folks who spread this pic like wildfire.

 

[Sheik Yerbuti]

One of the artists who composed the song 'no limit niggas'...his name is C-Murder..guess what we know about him:

Corey Miller (born March 9, 1971), better known by his stage name C-Murder, is an American rapper and convicted murderer. C-Murder is the brother of both Master P and Silkk the Shocker, and uncle of rapper-actor Romeo. C-Murder has released eight albums altogether on three different labels, No Limit Records, Tru Records, and Asylum Records. His first platinum album was Life or Death, which was released in 1998. He is currently serving life imprisonment following his conviction for a second degree murder committed in 2002. C-Murder used to date R&B singer Monica.[SUP][2][/SUP]

So, when I call him no_limit_nigga, I'm accurately representing his character and state of mind, as he chose to self-identify with this handle.

Once again, you have no idea what you're talking about. Corey Miller never recorded a song called, 'No Limit Niggas'.

So no, you're not representing anything accurately.

 

[ric27]

Fear is an emotion and not tangible evidence. As I said, simply claiming fear is insufficient for his defense. He has to prove use of deadly force was justified under the circumstances. He could even claim he wasn't afraid at all and it wouldnt hurt his defense because self defense laws do not rely on emotion at the center

Wrong! It's FEAR of serious bodily harm or death

Its Zim's fear not yours

Was Zim in fear of his life? Yes

Did nolimtnigga have the means and intent to do Zim harm? Yes

Could Zim retreat at the moment nolimitnigga was on top of him? No

Clearly justifies both self defense and stand your ground and clearly.... a reasonable person in that situation would fear imminent serious bodily injury if he didn't react with force.

 

[Thunder]

Wrong! It's FEAR of serious bodily harm or death....

his fear has to be reasonable.

spitting at someone does not give another reasonable fear of serious injury and the justification to use deadly force in self-defense.

nor does getting your nose broken.

 

[Excon]

their faces don't look anything a like.

Except they do look similar.

and btw, the original pic came from a white supremacist website...which didn't seem to bother all the folks who spread this pic like wildfire.

And?
Most people didn't know, nor would it matter if it was the correct Trayvon.
Big deal. They got there research wrong. Big woopity doo. Are you saying that they should be infallible?

 

[Sheik Yerbuti]

Oh, I get it. Anyone that disagrees with you that TM's actions that night could be suspicious based on how they were described by Zimm and what we know of the night and the neighborhood is just parnoid and imaginative. Well done. I can't really argue such wonderful logic. Regardless, it was more then just Zimm that can see those activies suspicious.

How else can one describe your imagination when you are imagining that Trayvon was acting suspiciously? Were you there that night? Did you see him? If not, and I strongly suspect it's not, then you are imagining him acting suspiciously based on the description from an individual with an overactive and paranoid imagination, whose mental condition was being medically treated. There is no way you can say with any amount of certainty that Trayvon was acting suspiciously.

 

[Sheik Yerbuti]

:doh
Slamming another's head into the concrete, does not an innocent person make.

There's no proof that Trayvon was slamming Zimmerman's head into concrete.

 

[Thunder]

Except they do look similar....

actually, no they don't.

though I can understand why you might think that.

 

[Sheik Yerbuti]

You have no evidence that it occurred. You have the defendants story, but no witness testimony, and you have a detective who has said his injuries are not consistant with having his head slammed into the ground or punched 25 times.

Quit making things up.

There is also the doctor who examined him who stated there was no head trauma ... no blurriness ... no dizziness ... no fractures ... no signs of concussion ... no need for stitches.

... that is not at all consistent with someone having their head being repeatedly slammed into concrete.

 

[ric27]

his fear has to be reasonable.

It was..not extraordinary over the top fear....just reasonable

spitting at someone does not give another reasonable fear of serious injury and the justification to use deadly force in self-defense.

Don't deviate with "spitting at someone" bull****. It has jack**** to do with this case

nor does getting your nose broken.

WTF??? You cannot grasp reality

One doesn't need to prove injuries to show the FEAR for ones life was in peril

 

[Thunder]

It was..not extraordinary over the top fear....just reasonable...

and the jury has to agree, or Zimmerman is up ****'s creek.

 

[Furiounova]

Wrong! It's FEAR of serious bodily harm or death

Its Zim's fear not yours

Was Zim in fear of his life? Yes

Did nolimtnigga have the means and intent to do Zim harm? Yes

Could Zim retreat at the moment nolimitnigga was on top of him? No

Clearly justifies both self defense and stand your ground and clearly.... a reasonable person in that situation would fear imminent serious bodily injury if he didn't react with force.

Two witnesses saw only one person on the ground after the fight began but before the gunshot. It doesn't matter who as it proves TM was not on top of GZ the whole time as GZ claimed. So how did TM stop GZ from getting away? Did he use a Jedi Skittle mental sword to the T?

I see what you mean about GZ being in fear. He was so scared of TM he never got out of his truck and drove away to wait for the cops.

Between the two, which one demonstrated fear? The person who ran away, or the person who left his vehicle to chase someone on foot?

Last time. The claim of fear is meaningless because evidence is needed to support that claim and GZ has virtually nothing.

 

[Sheik Yerbuti]

You can't disprove Zim acted in self-defense or had a reasonable fear of death or serious bodily plus you clueless and ill informed

The defendant's story IS EVIDENCE. Period

Why are you running, ric? You asked me to detail the holes in Zimmerman's story ... I started with one but it seems you're running away from it.

Whazzup with that?

 

[Furiounova]

It was..not extraordinary over the top fear....just reasonable



Don't deviate with "spitting at someone" bull****. It has jack**** to do with this case



WTF??? You cannot grasp reality

One doesn't need to prove injuries to show the FEAR for ones life was in peril

there was a case in Florida where a man hit a woman in the face and in response she shot and killed him. She is still in jail so maybe you could become pen pals and help her get out of jail since she said she was in fear and had been hit?

 

[Sheik Yerbuti]

my avatar doesn't use racist slurs in a passive-aggresive attempt to bait & provoke.

I honestly don't believe he even knows that's not the Trayvon Martin who was gunned down by Zimmerman.

 

[Thunder]

I honestly don't believe he even knows that's not the Trayvon Martin who was gunned down by Zimmerman.

I don't he think he really cares either.

 

[Sheik Yerbuti]

One doesn't need to prove injuries to show the FEAR for ones life was in peril

That's true. But one does have to show their life was in peril. Trayvon had no motive to kill or inflict great bodily harm against Zimmerman. There is no proof that his life was in peril. Hell, had Zimmerman not gotten out of his car and gone looking for the teen, who was in the process of minding his own business as he was heading back to the place he was staying, there would have been no confrontation at all. Zimmerman's actions contributed to the night's events.

 

[ric27]

Why are you running, ric? You asked me to detail the holes in Zimmerman's story ... I started with one but it seems you're running away from it.

Whazzup with that?

Minor variations in Zim's version are to be expected, human memory is not a like taping a movie on your harddrive

Don't confuse variations with contradictions because there are no contradictions affecting the overall scope of Zim's version of events.

Minor variations - Yes

Contradictions - No

 

[dolphinocean]

You clearly have no idea how things work in real life.
Or how one's immediate senses can become enhanced.

The pinning is possible.

It's only possible if you bought into Zimmerman's fantasy.

Talk about in real life, you can try it yourself with a partner or you can try it yourself using your own arms by pinning one hand between your other elbow and the side of your body. Clamp your elbow as hard as you can against the trunk to lock your hand into place. Then, simply pull out your hand from the clasp of your other elbow. Viola! It takes no effort to pull your hand out from your elbow grip.

Next, try it again. This time with your body rolled towards the elbow and weigh down where the hand is pinned and then pull out your hand from the elbow grasp with the added body weight as reinforcement force to keep it there. The hand just slide out without any resistance.

If this is demonstrated in court, Zimmerman's account will be easily exposed as yet another of his fanciful lie.

Also, what cannot fool any people with a thinking mind is his story about his face being punched repeatedly and his shaved head being slammed repeatedly into the concrete and yet suffered only minor superficial wounds that required not only no stitches but also no bandage. And with all that face punching and head slamming, you want to sell me your so-called " how one's immediate senses can become enhanced"? I call you bs not only on that but also just about everything you said.
　
Another unbelievable fairy tale of Zimmerman is his claim that Trayvon's hand slide across his chest and the side of his body.

Nobody does that silly sleigh of hand maneuver during a fight to reach for something.

Besides, the weapon was well hidden and tucked away inside the waist band behind the body. For the sake of argument, if anybody would have the "enhanced sense" to notice and reach for the hidden object while in a fight with the intense focus of head punching and head slamming, it won't be the Zimmerman's description of the awkward sliding motion of hand across the chest with a sideway turn motion towards the side of the body just below the armpit deep enough for the hand to be pinned by the elbow while enroute towards the waist area.

Nope. The normal human biomechanics to reach for something is simply to reach down straight towards the waist area while the hand is still traveling in the space with maybe the fingers touching or scraping part of the body in the anterior part, but not deep down on the side of the body.
　

Feeling a difference in temperature because your jacket rode up is normal.
Seeing where a person is looking is normal.
You clearly have no idea how things work in real life.
Or how one's immediate senses can become enhanced.

The pinning is possible.
Feeling a difference in temperature because your jacket rode up is normal.
Seeing where a person is looking is normal.

There need be no transfer of blood in such situation either.

It's impossible to feel any difference in temperature or seeing where a person is looking while you are involved in an intense fight, not to mention about having your face being repeatedly punched and head being slammed into the concrete repeatedly.
　
How is it possible that Zimmerman had a bleeding broken nose and was covered by Trayvon's hand that no transfer of blood in such situation occurred? There wasn't even any Zimmerman's DNA on Trayvon's hands or sleeve cuffs when Trayvon is said to had covered Zimmerman's nose and grabbing Zimmerman's head for the slamming.

Have you not realized by now that all the argument from you and your cohorts in defense of Zimmerman are all conveniently explained away based on all the impossibilites and very rare events.

Doesn't that tell you that if you have to explain away not just one or two or three or four or five impossible and very rare events to defend Zimmerman but many more impossible inconsistencies in his stories, there is something wrong in Zimmerman's story. If not, there is definitely something wrong with you people.
　

What is next to the bushes?

Oh that's right a wall which one can hide behind.
No, there is no inconsistency there.

Deedee's account does support that Trayvon did double back, but since she is not believable it doesn't get used.
But according tho the evidence, Trayvon came from behind Zimmerman as he was returning to his vehicle.

If you can show proof from the crime lab evidence that Trayvon's hoodie clothing and pants had leaves or twigs from the bushes then you may have a point. Otherwise, you are simply engaging in baseless speculation.
　
Deedee's account is certainly more believable than Zimmerman's. If she wanted to lie, she could claim Zimmerman said to Trayvon, "You are going to die tonight". But, she didn't. Only Zimmerman came up with that because in his background in criminal justice and family in legal trade, he knew to implicate Trayvon of threat to his life to make Trayvon the villain and thus to give more support for his self-defense claim.
　
The claim of Trayvon doubling back has no basis whatsoever on fact. It is yet another of your wild speculation coming merely from the figment of your imagination.
　
　

 

[ric27]

That's true. But one does have to show their life was in peril. Trayvon had no motive to kill or inflict great bodily harm against Zimmerman. There is no proof that his life was in peril. Hell, had Zimmerman not gotten out of his car and gone looking for the teen, who was in the process of minding his own business as he was heading back to the place he was staying, there would have been no confrontation at all. Zimmerman's actions contributed to the night's events.

THe state has to disprove Zim's fear of serious bodily harm or death NOT the other way around.

The burden is on the state

 

[Sheik Yerbuti]

Minor variations in Zim's version are to be expected, human memory is not a like taping a movie on your harddrive

Don't confuse variations with contradictions because there are no contradictions affecting the overall scope of Zim's version of events.

Minor variations - Yes

Contradictions - No

That's not a minor variation. He said Trayvon emerged from bushes which are not by the path; but another time he said Trayvon came from the path where there were no bushes. No matter how you try to spin that, it's a hole in his story. He gave two different descriptions of where he saw Trayvon appear from in the moment prior to their doomed confrontation.

 

[MaggieD]

THe state has to disprove Zim's fear of serious bodily harm or death NOT the other way around.

The burden is on the state

Right. Zimmerman will have to present an affirmative defense. The burden of proof that he was in fear for his life does not rise to the standard of beyond a reasonable doubt. The standard of proof for his being afraid for his life is less than that. However, the state is charged with proving beyond a reasonable doubt that he was not.

This may all come down to instructions to the jury.