Is there any way to cure a truther?[W:2707]

[Oozlefinch]

this one is my favorite. for this to have been a "false flag" operation, it would have required the coordination and cooperation of thousands of people and yet, 12 years later, not a single one of them has ever come forward to claim "I was in on it"

Yet in one "real life" conspiracy, the Assistant Director of the FBI secretly went to the press over a simple burglary.

Nobody died, it was a petty burglary, yet it was enough to bring down a President. And we are supposed to believe that nobody would come forward over an operation that killed thousands?

 

[Thoreau72]

give it your best shot. how did the gubbermint pull it off? (note: "I have no idea how they did it, they just did it" is NOT an acceptable answer) :laughat:

To a blind man, it is impossible to describe the colors of the rainbow.

 

[Quag]

To a blind man, it is impossible to describe the colors of the rainbow.

Especially one who is blind by choice.

 

[OscarB63]

To a blind man, it is impossible to describe the colors of the rainbow.

repeating a stupid copout doesn't make it any less stupid. :laughat:

 

[Thoreau72]

No, and it doesn't make you & Quag any more perceptive either.

Quag uses his selective amnesia to forget how many times I've told him that for years I defended on the internet the same crazy damn story you guys still do today. I've walked several miles in your shoes, defending the silly notion that 19 arabs with box cutters hijacked airplanes and that the towers collapsed from natural events.

Been there, done that, and I have several T shirts.

I'm slow sometimes, but eventually I realized I had been duped by the best of them. You guys still don't have it figured out, and most likely never will. eace

 

[OldWorldOrder]

That is why it is so funny that the collapse believers do not try to prove it and do not even want accurate data.

If they can be proven wrong after 12 years....

Then who has the psychological problem?

psik

Truthers have been proven wrong for the last 12 years. Why do you think that no institute or organization(lol, outside of those created just for that purpose) considers the event to be an inside job? It's a conspiracy involving everyone in the world outside of truthers? lol really?

 

[psikeyhackr]

Truthers have been proven wrong for the last 12 years.

It is curious how many people do not comprehend the meaning of the words Proof, Theory and Hypothesis.

psik

 

[ozeco41]

....You have every right in the world to believe the Official Conspiracy Theory in whatever iteration of that theory you like, but it is still an invalid theory.

nonsense

what gets me is though he is certain that the events of the day did not occurred according to the official report and that it was an elaborate false flag, he is completely unable to describe/outline just how such an operation could have been carried out.

The telling error of logic for me is his fall back to "false generalising" - "the Official Conspiracy Theory...is still an invalid theory" and not overlooking the bare assertions embedded in the false generalisation I just quoted - e.g. "is" and "still". Plus the tired grand daddy of truther false premises "the Official Conspiracy Theory". So three levels of false logic for starters. That's not exhaustive and I only took one of his paragraphs.

HD is game playing - he is not that silly.

BTW Folks. An hypothesis - or the start of one. :2wave:

1) Would trolling be possible without the use of "false generalisations" - using the extant example here that means that they would have to say what they mean by "OCT" and which parts of the "OCT" they are talking about.

If removing "false generalisations" only knee capped them but they could still hobble around:

2) Would it do the trick if we also removed access to "bare assertions"

Because there seems to be precious little other stuff in what I see in trolling posts. :roll:

 

[OldWorldOrder]

It is curious how many people do not comprehend the meaning of the words Proof, Theory and Hypothesis.

psik

Yeah, like the vast majority of every scientist, philosopher, architect, engineer, teacher, pilot, designer, intelligence officer, policymaker, etc

Only some internet guys get it.

 

[Oozlefinch]

It is curious how many people do not comprehend the meaning of the words Proof, Theory and Hypothesis.

psik

Yea, and every Truther takes any little shred of doubt and automatically makes it into proof.

We have seen that all to often, trust me.

NOT EVERY QUESTION IS PERFECTLY ANSWERED, THAT MAKES IT PROOF IT IS A CONSPIRACY!

Bah.

In fact, is every little single aspect was perfectly answered then I would be even more suspicious, because nothing in reality is ever 100% perfectly tied up, that is why we use Occam's Razor to deduce the most likely cause and effect.

 

[Thoreau72]

What does it do for the "scientific method", and a self-proclaimed reliance upon that method, when the founding documents of a given theory are not scientific at all, but rather political?

Is reliance upon documents and reports generated by political appointees admittedly "set up to fail" really a sign of rational analysis, or a sign of something else?

 

[OscarB63]

What does it do for the "scientific method", and a self-proclaimed reliance upon that method, when the founding documents of a given theory are not scientific at all, but rather political?

Is reliance upon documents and reports generated by political appointees admittedly "set up to fail" really a sign of rational analysis, or a sign of something else?

what does it do for the "scientific method" when truthers totally ignore it and make up fantasies involving holograms, tactical nukes, paid actors, covert dark-of-night operations, etc without any shred of physical evidence to back them up?

 

[Quag]

The telling error of logic for me is his fall back to "false generalising" - "the Official Conspiracy Theory...is still an invalid theory" and not overlooking the bare assertions embedded in the false generalisation I just quoted - e.g. "is" and "still". Plus the tired grand daddy of truther false premises "the Official Conspiracy Theory". So three levels of false logic for starters. That's not exhaustive and I only took one of his paragraphs.

HD is game playing - he is not that silly.

BTW Folks. An hypothesis - or the start of one. :2wave:

1) Would trolling be possible without the use of "false generalisations" - using the extant example here that means that they would have to say what they mean by "OCT" and which parts of the "OCT" they are talking about.

If removing "false generalisations" only knee capped them but they could still hobble around:

2) Would it do the trick if we also removed access to "bare assertions"

Because there seems to be precious little other stuff in what I see in trolling posts. :roll:

Actually HD does occasionally get more specific, such as pretending someone with a commercial pilots license cannot fly or that ground effect would keep the plane from hitting the pentagon (though he never explains why) or that there were injects into live ATC RADAR on 911. Of course he gets destroyed every time he gets more specific. The reason he will never try and explain his premise that ground effect would prevent the plane from hitting the Pentagon.
But yes in general HD goes into the general to avoid getting destroyed on his lack of knowledge/comprehension/logic.

 

[psikeyhackr]

Yeah, like the vast majority of every scientist, philosopher, architect, engineer, teacher, pilot, designer, intelligence officer, policymaker, etc

Only some internet guys get it.

So you can continuously brag about your inability to think about grade school physics for yourself.

I am supposed to be impressed?

Western society gives Nobel Prizes in economics to people who have not been telling us what each nation loses on the depreciation of automobiles every year.

Does that mean automobiles do not depreciate? But they call it economic growth if we buy more cars and they say nothing about "planned obsoelescence". Never heard of it I guess. John Kenneth Galbraith wrote about it 10 years before the Moon landing.

Truth is whatever the majority of mornos think, who think what they are told by AUTHORITY. :lol:

Of course the majority of scientists seem to be real quiet about 9/11 as far as I can tell. If they start talking now they would have to explain 12 years of silence.

psik

 

[OldWorldOrder]

So you can continuously brag about your inability to think about grade school physics for yourself.

I am supposed to be impressed?

Western society gives Nobel Prizes in economics to people who have not been telling us what each nation loses on the depreciation of automobiles every year.

Does that mean automobiles do not depreciate? But they call it economic growth if we buy more cars and they say nothing about "planned obsoelescence". Never heard of it I guess. John Kenneth Galbraith wrote about it 10 years before the Moon landing.

Truth is whatever the majority of mornos think, who think what they are told by AUTHORITY. :lol:

Of course the majority of scientists seem to be real quiet about 9/11 as far as I can tell. If they start talking now they would have to explain 12 years of silence.

psik

Seek help

 

[Menard_K]

what does it do for the "scientific method" when truthers totally ignore it and make up fantasies involving holograms, tactical nukes, paid actors, covert dark-of-night operations, etc without any shred of physical evidence to back them up?

The bottom line here is that we can all see very clearly WHAT was done
and note the mainstream media lame excuses for it.
where the trouble starts, is when people start speculating as to HOW it was done.
The HOW it was done, can be sorted out soon enough, after we get critical mass
of people who understand what was done. 9/11/2001= FALSE FLAG.

 

[Quag]

The bottom line here is that we can all see very clearly WHAT was done
and note the mainstream media lame excuses for it.
where the trouble starts, is when people start speculating as to HOW it was done.
The HOW it was done, can be sorted out soon enough, after we get critical mass
of people who understand what was done. 9/11/2001= FALSE FLAG.

Yes WE know what was done YOU do not seem to get it yet

 

[Menard_K]

Yes WE know what was done YOU do not seem to get it yet

Three steel framed skyscrapers just "collapse" into total destruction
and people are saying "could NOT possibly be explosives .... no NOT at all"

Look at the video of the events, ( turn off the sound so the talking heads are
not telling you what to think about it ) and observe! if it has web-feet like a duck
it quacks like a duck .... etc ... and people still say " oh no, could not possibly have been explosives"

Give me a break!

 

[Quag]

Three steel framed skyscrapers just "collapse" into total destruction
and people are saying "could NOT possibly be explosives .... no NOT at all"

Look at the video of the events, ( turn off the sound so the talking heads are
not telling you what to think about it ) and observe! if it has web-feet like a duck
it quacks like a duck .... etc ... and people still say " oh no, could not possibly have been explosives"

Give me a break!

I have seen it like most of the world. Why is it so hard for you to accept that the impacts and fires caused the collapses? What supreme gift of scientific knowlwedge do you posses that others do not?

 

[Menard_K]

I have seen it like most of the world. Why is it so hard for you to accept that the impacts and fires caused the collapses? What supreme gift of scientific knowlwedge do you posses that others do not?

Have you ever read "the emperor's new clothes" ?

I do NOT posses any sort of special knowledge that anybody else on this forum
or for that matter a random sample of humans on this planet could not embrace
except for the programming that states if you buy into any of that WEIRD stuff
you must be completely insane and therefore, people stay away from a proper
examination of the events of 9/11/2001.

its about psychological warfare! .....

A! lets bust the emperor for indecent exposure!

 

[Quag]

Have you ever read "the emperor's new clothes" ?

I do NOT posses any sort of special knowledge that anybody else on this forum
or for that matter a random sample of humans on this planet could not embrace
except for the programming that states if you buy into any of that WEIRD stuff
you must be completely insane and therefore, people stay away from a proper
examination of the events of 9/11/2001.

its about psychological warfare! .....

A! lets bust the emperor for indecent exposure!

I have read it and yes the truthers truly are naked.

 

[OldWorldOrder]

Have you ever read "the emperor's new clothes" ?

I do NOT posses any sort of special knowledge that anybody else on this forum
or for that matter a random sample of humans on this planet could not embrace
except for the programming that states if you buy into any of that WEIRD stuff
you must be completely insane and therefore, people stay away from a proper
examination of the events of 9/11/2001.

its about psychological warfare! .....

A! lets bust the emperor for indecent exposure!

This doesn't come close to answering his question.

 

[Menard_K]

This doesn't come close to answering his question.

Read the bits over on the "was total collapse inevitable"
thread and note that the supporters of the 19 radical Arabs story,
insist that total collapse was inevitable after "collapse initiation"
and really that is as much an etched in stone position as anything.

and people complain that "truthers" are hard-headed ..... what?

 

[Quag]

Read the bits over on the "was total collapse inevitable"
thread and note that the supporters of the 19 radical Arabs story,
insist that total collapse was inevitable after "collapse initiation"
and really that is as much an etched in stone position as anything.

and people complain that "truthers" are hard-headed ..... what?

It happened therefore it was inevitable.
Pretty simple really

 

[mike2810]

Three steel framed skyscrapers just "collapse" into total destruction
and people are saying "could NOT possibly be explosives .... no NOT at all"

Look at the video of the events, ( turn off the sound so the talking heads are
not telling you what to think about it ) and observe! if it has web-feet like a duck
it quacks like a duck .... etc ... and people still say " oh no, could not possibly have been explosives"

Give me a break!

"Three steel framed skyscrapers just "collapse" into total destruction", what you failed to mention is first being hit by an airliner and burned for some time.

So, lets see I watch another vid with the sound off, I see a passenger jet hit a tower, I see another jet hit the second tower, I see fire and smoke, then some time later, the building collapses. Yep, makes me think explosives every time.:mrgreen: