Is there any way to cure a truther?[W:2707]

[Menard_K]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

Oh you convinced me with this post.
I am now a believer.:mrgreen:

You now see the futility of following after the "leaders"
& "pundits" who will tell you all sorts of LIES for their own agenda.

Be FREE
THINK!

and remember .............................. Mother Nature Loves U!

 

[mike2810]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

You now see the futility of following after the "leaders"
& "pundits" who will tell you all sorts of LIES for their own agenda.

Be FREE
THINK!

and remember .............................. Mother Nature Loves U!

yep, about the same of you following what Jones and DRG put out.

One can accept the plane/fire collapse explanation and not accept all of the govt report. It is tiresome of you to think that those who disagree with you are not free thinkers. Unless you did your own on the ground investigation, you also rely on others for data.

Its a matter what source of information is more creditable. and mine is not from msm.

 

[Menard_K]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

yep, about the same of you following what Jones and DRG put out.

One can accept the plane/fire collapse explanation and not accept all of the govt report. It is tiresome of you to think that those who disagree with you are not free thinkers. Unless you did your own on the ground investigation, you also rely on others for data.

Its a matter what source of information is more creditable. and mine is not from msm.

You make an assumption that I'm a disciple of any of the 9/11 pundits ... really NO
Really for me ... events such as seeing an alleged aircraft penetrate a wall
NOT slowing down at all and not showing signs that it was a seriously violent act
( that is penetrating a wall ) not to mention the "collapse" events for WTC 1, 2 & 7
the whole Pentagon fiasco with its multiple violations of the laws of physics.
& none of you people see any of this, no glaring violations of the laws of physics.
just ALL IS AS IT SHOULD BE ... right ..... & I'm the Easter Bunny!

 

[mike2810]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

You make an assumption that I'm a disciple of any of the 9/11 pundits ... really NO
Really for me ... events such as seeing an alleged aircraft penetrate a wall
NOT slowing down at all and not showing signs that it was a seriously violent act
( that is penetrating a wall ) not to mention the "collapse" events for WTC 1, 2 & 7
the whole Pentagon fiasco with its multiple violations of the laws of physics.
& none of you people see any of this, no glaring violations of the laws of physics.
just ALL IS AS IT SHOULD BE ... right ..... & I'm the Easter Bunny!

ok.
Yet you fail to provide any supporting evidence other than your highly unsupported remarks.
Continuing to repeat yourself does not make what you say is true.

One more time I will ask MK. what supporting documentation do you have to back up your beliefs?

 

[Menard_K]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

ok.
Yet you fail to provide any supporting evidence other than your highly unsupported remarks.
Continuing to repeat yourself does not make what you say is true.

One more time I will ask MK. what supporting documentation do you have to back up your beliefs?

Look at the evidence of the events of 9/11/2001
as shown by the Mainstream Media and count the violations of the laws of physics.
Simple .... no?

 

[mike2810]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

Look at the evidence of the events of 9/11/2001
as shown by the Mainstream Media and count the violations of the laws of physics.
Simple .... no?

Here the challenge \
Post a vid from msm.
then state the laws of physics that are being demonstrated by the vid.
then post supporting documentation that that law was violated.

 

[Menard_K]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

Here the challenge \
Post a vid from msm.
then state the laws of physics that are being demonstrated by the vid.
then post supporting documentation that that law was violated.

Why do you continue to defend obvious FRAUD on the part of the MSM,
Please note that if I did post a video, people could say I edited it,
so I encourage people to look at the videos that are available to them
and simply THINK, is that so difficult, you don't need me to spoon feed you INFO.
THINK!

 

[mike2810]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

Why do you continue to defend obvious FRAUD on the part of the MSM,
Please note that if I did post a video, people could say I edited it,
so I encourage people to look at the videos that are available to them
and simply THINK, is that so difficult, you don't need me to spoon feed you INFO.
THINK!

why do you avoid answering questions and request?

 

[sKiTzo]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

its been posted before. another lab tested a sample and found it not to be thermite. I posted the link.
Try searching.

I remember you posted that link. The chips were from a different area of ground zero. It doesn't necessarily prove or disprove anything with regard to Jones' findings, but MVA makes this statement:

"Mr. Mohr was unable to gain access to any samples used in the Harrit study so four samples were chosen from the archives of MVA Scientific Consultants".

I emailed Jones for comment on this - let's see if he responds.

I also found this exchange between NIST and Jones from a 2010 article:

On Professor Jones's discovery NIST has commented that is not "scientifically valid" because Jones can't prove the "chain of custody" of the dust he tested.For NIST and debunkers, Professor Jones has replied, "They don't need my dust to test. They have plenty of dust of their own where they know the chain of custody. They just won't test it."

Interesting. This speaks volumes in simple logic (a language non-truthers seem to have great trouble understanding). Here, NIST comments on Jones' findings and attempt to discredit him. Now , think about this:

A. NIST has taken much criticism for refusing to complete the investigation by testing the materials for the presence of nanothermite residues. They claim it is not necessary because such residues would likely not be found.

B. Jones publishes his findings that the results are positive for nanothermite.

C. There is only one thing NIST can do to clear this up and show that Jones is a fraud. Test the dust they have in their possession, and show the world once and for all that truthers are crackpots and Jones is a fraud. To perform the tests would be no sweat off anyone's back and would cost very little.

NIST STILL won't actively address it. To me, that says it all. Why doesn't it for you? From a non-truther perspective, isn't there a point where NIST becomes obligated to complete their investigation?

.

 

[sKiTzo]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

I told you that my dad is a theoretical physicist and that your version of said science is idiotic. And since you back nothing up and just flap your gums yapping about your nonsensical paranoia.... wait. I had a point.

Oh yea...

You don't know what the **** you are talking about. = FACT

My dad can kick your dads ass

 

[Quag]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

You totally dismiss what I have said without so much as a decent rebuttal .... what?
You have no data? .... really?

You haven't answered the original question about chaotic events, coherent collapse and why it was impossible instead you just dodged the question.
You don't seem to understand anything you spout you just seem to repeat truther talking points all of which if you knew anything about the subjects you would realize make no sense.
Hmm commercial airliners behaving as they did? what does that even mean?
Pentagon nonsense what is wrong with the crash explain it don't just parrot truther sites, how is the crash impossible?
Mass quantities didn't disappear anywhere with FLT77 but you didn't bother to learn anything about the crash so that's a no go on your part.
FLT93 why you seem to know so much about hijackings maybe we needed you on the plane to save everyone? seriously do you even know the SOP for airliners before 911? nope of course not. You would go all Jackie chan on them and of course you unarmed and super brave would come out victorious and save the day!

 

[Quag]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

My dad can kick your dads ass

My mom can kick both your dads asses!

 

[Menard_K]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

You haven't answered the original question about chaotic events, coherent collapse and why it was impossible instead you just dodged the question.
You don't seem to understand anything you spout you just seem to repeat truther talking points all of which if you knew anything about the subjects you would realize make no sense.
Hmm commercial airliners behaving as they did? what does that even mean?
Pentagon nonsense what is wrong with the crash explain it don't just parrot truther sites, how is the crash impossible?
Mass quantities didn't disappear anywhere with FLT77 but you didn't bother to learn anything about the crash so that's a no go on your part.
FLT93 why you seem to know so much about hijackings maybe we needed you on the plane to save everyone? seriously do you even know the SOP for airliners before 911? nope of course not. You would go all Jackie chan on them and of course you unarmed and super brave would come out victorious and save the day!

There is NO Santa Claus .....

Wake UP & smell the burnt Reichstag!

If you can look at the official lame excuses explanation of the Pentagon hit
and see nothing WRONG with this picture, it is YOU who does not understand.

 

[Quag]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

There is NO Santa Claus .....

Wake UP & smell the burnt Reichstag!

If you can look at the official lame excuses explanation of the Pentagon hit
and see nothing WRONG with this picture, it is YOU who does not understand.

So you cant or wont answer my questions?
truly the truthers are running around naked screaming nonsense at the top of their lungs

 

[Quag]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

I remember you posted that link. The chips were from a different area of ground zero. It doesn't necessarily prove or disprove anything with regard to Jones' findings, but MVA makes this statement:

"Mr. Mohr was unable to gain access to any samples used in the Harrit study so four samples were chosen from the archives of MVA Scientific Consultants".

I emailed Jones for comment on this - let's see if he responds.

I also found this exchange between NIST and Jones from a 2010 article:

On Professor Jones's discovery NIST has commented that is not "scientifically valid" because Jones can't prove the "chain of custody" of the dust he tested.For NIST and debunkers, Professor Jones has replied, "They don't need my dust to test. They have plenty of dust of their own where they know the chain of custody. They just won't test it."

Interesting. This speaks volumes in simple logic (a language non-truthers seem to have great trouble understanding). Here, NIST comments on Jones' findings and attempt to discredit him. Now , think about this:

A. NIST has taken much criticism for refusing to complete the investigation by testing the materials for the presence of nanothermite residues. They claim it is not necessary because such residues would likely not be found.

B. Jones publishes his findings that the results are positive for nanothermite.

C. There is only one thing NIST can do to clear this up and show that Jones is a fraud. Test the dust they have in their possession, and show the world once and for all that truthers are crackpots and Jones is a fraud. To perform the tests would be no sweat off anyone's back and would cost very little.

NIST STILL won't actively address it. To me, that says it all. Why doesn't it for you? From a non-truther perspective, isn't there a point where NIST becomes obligated to complete their investigation?

.

Jones could clear this up with independent verification. NIST cannot. If NIST looked for any explosives the truther movement would claim a win just for them looking. It would be see they knew there were explosives why else would they look etc. And when none are found the CTers will scream at the top of their lungs cover-up!
They will claim they knew there were explosives that is why they looked but of course they couldn't admit it so they covered it up!
It is a no win, non starter argument no matter what they do truthers will claim cover-up best not to fuel the insane fires of truthdom

 

[Menard_K]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

So you cant or wont answer my questions?
truly the truthers are running around naked screaming nonsense at the top of their lungs

Have you heard of the Chris Mohr debate?
& do you believe what he said?

 

[Quag]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

Have you heard of the Chris Mohr debate?
& do you believe what he said?

Nope never heard of him what does that have to do with you refusing to defend any of your fantasies?

 

[OscarB63]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

So you cant or wont answer my questions?
truly the truthers are running around naked screaming nonsense at the top of their lungs

funny how when asked to back up one of their talking points they simply ignore the request and try to deflect by moving on to yet another unsupported talking point.

 

[mike2810]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

I remember you posted that link. The chips were from a different area of ground zero. It doesn't necessarily prove or disprove anything with regard to Jones' findings, but MVA makes this statement:

"Mr. Mohr was unable to gain access to any samples used in the Harrit study so four samples were chosen from the archives of MVA Scientific Consultants".

I emailed Jones for comment on this - let's see if he responds.

I also found this exchange between NIST and Jones from a 2010 article:

On Professor Jones's discovery NIST has commented that is not "scientifically valid" because Jones can't prove the "chain of custody" of the dust he tested.For NIST and debunkers, Professor Jones has replied, "They don't need my dust to test. They have plenty of dust of their own where they know the chain of custody. They just won't test it."

Interesting. This speaks volumes in simple logic (a language non-truthers seem to have great trouble understanding). Here, NIST comments on Jones' findings and attempt to discredit him. Now , think about this:

A. NIST has taken much criticism for refusing to complete the investigation by testing the materials for the presence of nanothermite residues. They claim it is not necessary because such residues would likely not be found.

B. Jones publishes his findings that the results are positive for nanothermite.

C. There is only one thing NIST can do to clear this up and show that Jones is a fraud. Test the dust they have in their possession, and show the world once and for all that truthers are crackpots and Jones is a fraud. To perform the tests would be no sweat off anyone's back and would cost very little.

NIST STILL won't actively address it. To me, that says it all. Why doesn't it for you? From a non-truther perspective, isn't there a point where NIST becomes obligated to complete their investigation?

.

Didn't Harriet state the only way to get those iron spheres was through thermite use?
If so , he misspoke. seems it can be done with fire, paint, and steel.

 

[mike2810]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

There is NO Santa Claus .....

Wake UP & smell the burnt Reichstag!

If you can look at the official lame excuses explanation of the Pentagon hit
and see nothing WRONG with this picture, it is YOU who does not understand.

MK. step back and take a deep breath.

What many of us are asking for is for you to back up your statements. Unless you were there on 911, you have to get your information from somewhere to come up with your beliefs. You had to have read a book, info from the web. etc. Yes, your believes are your own and your a free thinker. Yet, like all of us, you had to use some source for information.

That request is no different than you keep asking posters who disagree with you to validate there statements or there answers to you. So why do you continue to dismiss the request ?

What it boils down is your mind is set. You believe what you believe. Well, guess that goes for the rest of us also. What may be the difference is the source of the information used to develop our opinions.

 

[sKiTzo]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

Jones could clear this up with independent verification. NIST cannot. If NIST looked for any explosives the truther movement would claim a win just for them looking. It would be see they knew there were explosives why else would they look etc. And when none are found the CTers will scream at the top of their lungs cover-up!
They will claim they knew there were explosives that is why they looked but of course they couldn't admit it so they covered it up!
It is a no win, non starter argument no matter what they do truthers will claim cover-up best not to fuel the insane fires of truthdom

For the first time EVER, you may have a point. If they tested it and claimed no evidence of explosives, you're right, nobody would believe them. But you have to ask, do they deserve to be given any kind of credibility? Their initial reasoning for not testing it in the first place, if you remember, made no sense at all. It was because there was nothing to indicate that explosives were used. Here is why we know that they were LYING, and not just incompetent:

A. Hundreds of eyewitnesses, including police, firemen, and emergency responders reported lots of explosions. These included explosions in parts of the building that had no fire. THEY KNEW THIS.

B. Al Qaeda, the terrorist group blamed for the attacks, was notorious for using explosives. That's primarily what they do. THEY KNEW THIS.

C. Experts across the globe had already gone on record to say that the collapses displayed every characteristic of a controlled demolition, which uses explosives to bring down buildings. THEY KNEW THIS.

D. Building 7 did not suffer any structural damage from being hit by a plane, but collapsed in the same manner, suggesting that explosives must have been used. THEY KNEW THIS.

NIST was well aware of all of this. These are 4 very good reasons to test for explosives. So, why did they lie? Why would you support such an obvious lie?

 

[Quag]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

For the first time EVER, you may have a point. If they tested it and claimed no evidence of explosives, you're right, nobody would believe them. But you have to ask, do they deserve to be given any kind of credibility? Their initial reasoning for not testing it in the first place, if you remember, made no sense at all. It was because there was nothing to indicate that explosives were used. Here is why we know that they were LYING, and not just incompetent:

A. Hundreds of eyewitnesses, including police, firemen, and emergency responders reported lots of explosions. These included explosions in parts of the building that had no fire. THEY KNEW THIS.

B. Al Qaeda, the terrorist group blamed for the attacks, was notorious for using explosives. That's primarily what they do. THEY KNEW THIS.

C. Experts across the globe had already gone on record to say that the collapses displayed every characteristic of a controlled demolition, which uses explosives to bring down buildings. THEY KNEW THIS.

D. Building 7 did not suffer any structural damage from being hit by a plane, but collapsed in the same manner, suggesting that explosives must have been used. THEY KNEW THIS.

NIST was well aware of all of this. These are 4 very good reasons to test for explosives. So, why did they lie? Why would you support such an obvious lie?

A. No they didn't they heard what sounded like explosions. there is a difference and that has been explained.
B. WTF does that have to do with anything it was PLANES that caused the damage
C. Displaying characteristics is not the same as being CD sorry total fail
D. WTC 7 has been explained without explosives. If it can be explained without explosives then explosives are not necessary. simple logic

Not one of these is even a remotely good reason to test for explosives but they are great talking points for truthers.
Now I am positive if Jones had his dust tested there would be thermite, he would make damn sure of that. What I believe he is afraid of is people doing more tests and proving his dust didn't come from 911. That seems like the only logical conclusion to explain his refusal to do so.

 

[Thoreau72]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

You totally dismiss what I have said without so much as a decent rebuttal .... what?
You have no data? .... really?

The only arrow in Quag's quiver is the ad hominem. Every post he has made demonstrates that revealing little factoid.

 

[Quag]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

The only arrow in Quag's quiver is the ad hominem. Every post he has made demonstrates that revealing little factoid.

Lol coming from the king of ad homs that means a lot.

 

[OscarB63]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

at least using ad homs requires some independent thought, unlike regurgitating truther talking points....