Is there any way to cure a truther?[W:2707]

[sKiTzo]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

I can guarantee you that if you blew a gaping hole 2/3 of the way up in the Empire State building....it would collapse too. apparently truthers have a hard time with the concept of structural integrity.

I guarantee you if you flew a jumbo jet into the empire state building (as it stands - no pre-rigging with exotic accelerants or explosives), if it actually completely penetrated the building and not just hit like a bug in a windshield, it would burn until the fire was out and that would be it. It wouldn't magically sever every core column in the precise way needed to bring the building down at near freefall speed into its own footprint.

You claim to know so well the concept of structural integrity but are not smart enough to know that the way the towers collapsed are not consistent with how a building would collapse if it collapsed due only to a gaping hole 2/3 of the way up; it would topple and (very likely) a large portion would remain standing.

 

[sKiTzo]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

I'm still waiting to see any physical evidence that a controlled demolition occured. whatever they used, I'd like to get my hands on some. an explosive that caused no noise and left no residue...that's some impressive stuff

The explosives used actually did cause noise and leave residue. You are not well-informed.

 

[sKiTzo]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

Because I watched it with my own ****ing 2 eyes Jack. Wake up and smell reality.

To be fair, the hijacker bit is 100% derived from MSM. We have no way of proving it because, as I pointed out earlier, their names are not found in the passenger lists.

 

[Menard_K]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

Oh yeah? Well I am on the forefront of info ahead of these stupid polls, and 100% of the people in my building KNOW that Osama and his band of ****heads did it. So you can shove your loaded popular opinion polls that are trolled by truther filth you know where.

This is getting WAY off-topic
If the real perpetrators of 9/11
are reading this I bet they are having a good laugh
everybody chasing tangents rather than seeing what is right in front of them.

Truly the emperor is NAKED!

 

[Menard_K]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

Because I watched it with my own ****ing 2 eyes Jack. Wake up and smell reality.

You say you watched, were YOU in NYC that day?
If so, I'm very curious to know what you saw & heard.
REALLY ....

 

[OscarB63]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

The explosives used actually did cause noise and leave residue. You are not well-informed.

then you should easily be able to show us the proof..... :laughat:

 

[psikeyhackr]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

Oh yeah? Well I am on the forefront of info ahead of these stupid polls, and 100% of the people in my building KNOW that Osama and his band of ****heads did it. So you can shove your loaded popular opinion polls that are trolled by truther filth you know where.

Physics is Truther filth? LOL

If airliners could do it then why should accurate data bout the buildings be a problem?

It should be more accurate than polls.

psik

 

[Oozlefinch]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

It would also have to match up with the FDR's afterwards another cog in the incredibly complex system truthers come up with to claim the simple and obvious wasn't true

There is something about RADAR that most people do not know about, but I am going to get a little bit technical here so please bear with me.

While setting up mobile (or even non-mobile) RADAR facilities, you have to take into consideration the terrain and features that are visible from this unit. In the military, we call these searches "Initial Search Lower Boundaries" and Operational Search Lower Boundaries".

Basically we use surveying equipment to plot out how far away things like buildings, mountains, and the like are and plot them by hand. This information is then fed into the RADAR, so that it knows to ignore these things, and basically pretends that they are not there.

This is why the RADAR at an airport does not see the giant hotels at the end of the runway, but the approaching aircraft does.

And different systems use different data inputs for this information. This is yet another reason why injects are immediately obvious. Often times when putting in these fixed objects, the crews will actually leave objects in place. Say there is a 20 story building, I may leave the building in the RADAR picture, so I can vocally guide people to where a target is, "There is a helicopter right behind the Happy Fun Time Building, and should appear in a moment from the West side".

And no, I do not see the helicopter, it is behind the building. But I saw it disappear there, I do have a good idea where it is.

 

[Quag]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

There is something about RADAR that most people do not know about, but I am going to get a little bit technical here so please bear with me.

While setting up mobile (or even non-mobile) RADAR facilities, you have to take into consideration the terrain and features that are visible from this unit. In the military, we call these searches "Initial Search Lower Boundaries" and Operational Search Lower Boundaries".

Basically we use surveying equipment to plot out how far away things like buildings, mountains, and the like are and plot them by hand. This information is then fed into the RADAR, so that it knows to ignore these things, and basically pretends that they are not there.

This is why the RADAR at an airport does not see the giant hotels at the end of the runway, but the approaching aircraft does.

And different systems use different data inputs for this information. This is yet another reason why injects are immediately obvious. Often times when putting in these fixed objects, the crews will actually leave objects in place. Say there is a 20 story building, I may leave the building in the RADAR picture, so I can vocally guide people to where a target is, "There is a helicopter right behind the Happy Fun Time Building, and should appear in a moment from the West side".

And no, I do not see the helicopter, it is behind the building. But I saw it disappear there, I do have a good idea where it is.

I may not know as much about the technical bits of RADAR as you but I do know that and a fair but more than the average person. Which is why I immediately considered the fantasy of injects ad just that a fantasy made up in a hollywood dream.
Fun fact YUL TCU had a certain small solitary mountain (Mt St-Gregoire) appear as a splat on their RADARs it helps to locate small aircraft geographically. New system has removed the splat and replaced it with an upside down V to mark the mountain

 

[OscarB63]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

I may not know as much about the technical bits of RADAR as you but I do know that and a fair but more than the average person. Which is why I immediately considered the fantasy of injects ad just that a fantasy made up in a hollywood dream.
Fun fact YUL TCU has a certain small solitary mountain (Mt St-Gregoire) appear as a splat on their RADARs it helps to locate small aircraft geographically.

even the greenest, fresh out of training radar operator call tell the difference between a real and a virtual (aka inject) target.

 

[Oozlefinch]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

Fun fact YUL TCU had a certain small solitary mountain (Mt St-Gregoire) appear as a splat on their RADARs it helps to locate small aircraft geographically. New system has removed the splat and replaced it with an upside down V to mark the mountain

And in an "injected signal", either those mountains (or the indication they existed) would completely vanish (telling the operator there is an inject), or they would appear on every scope, making those operators think there is a malfunction because some big honking object just appeared on their screens.

Most RADAR operators leave real world objects in their picture, to help give them a spatial reference point that is unavailable if they removed all of them and only went on the airborne objects.

This is why I absolutely love it when these conspiracy theory nutcases actually step into areas of which I have professional knowledge. "It was a missile!", "RADAR injects!", "FDR wanted a war!", "Oswald could never have hit Kennedy at that distance!", it is all so completely silly that I wonder why anybody takes them seriously.

 

[sKiTzo]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

then you should easily be able to show us the proof..... :laughat:

Just google "wtc explosive residue" to see the findings on the residue, then go to google video and query "wtc 911 explosion noise" and you can choose from hundreds of videos. You don't sound very capable of something so simple.... if that's the case, I may end up posting them for you. Give it a try first you'll be amazed that you found answers just by looking...

 

[sKiTzo]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

Well, we know that such spheres were made after the Tunguska Event of 1908. And we know that in Deep Impact and Armageddon both included meteor fragments crashing into major cities.

Iron spheres recovered from Siberia after the 1908 explosion

Maybe the WTC was really brought down by a meteor, hurtled to Earth in order to justify a war in a country with no major natural resources!

Brilliant, I figured it out! No planes at all, meteors! And these spheres prove it! Thank you so much!

If we are to take your word for it, and meteors can also cause these spheres, then you've just proven for us that because we know it wasn't a meteor, the likelihood that it was nanothermite is about 100%.

 

[Oozlefinch]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

If we are to take your word for it, and meteors can also cause these spheres, then you've just proven for us that because we know it wasn't a meteor, the likelihood that it was nanothermite is about 100%.

But we don't know it was not a meteor! If they could inject holograms and mental images into people's heads, why not just conceal a meteor and blame it on aircraft?

 

[OscarB63]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

Just google "wtc explosive residue" to see the findings on the residue, then go to google video and query "wtc 911 explosion noise" and you can choose from hundreds of videos. You don't sound very capable of something so simple.... if that's the case, I may end up posting them for you. Give it a try first you'll be amazed that you found answers just by looking...

sorry, chumley, I don't make it a habit of providing other people's "proof" for them.

 

[OscarB63]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

If we are to take your word for it, and meteors can also cause these spheres, then you've just proven for us that because we know it wasn't a meteor, the likelihood that it was nanothermite is about 100%.

Remember that what Steven Jones found in the dust was iron-oxide/aluminum nanothermite. The authors of this paper make it clear that copper-oxide/aluminum nanothermite is significantly more reactive than the iron-oxide version, and cite a combustion velocity of 895 m/s for an iron-oxide/aluminum nanothermite aerogel. So 895 m/s is the highest velocity yet to be found for an iron-oxide/aluminum nanothermite in the scientific literature, where this velocity is far too low to have played a significant role in the destruction of the Twin Towers by means of its shock waves.

it was da holograms

 

[Oozlefinch]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

The WTC was brought down by aliens! Google for the proof!

Let me google that for you

 

[sKiTzo]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

sorry, chumley, I don't make it a habit of providing other people's "proof" for them.

And I'm not going to play your little game. That proof has been posted several times in this thread. There's no question that explosions can be heard and it is firmly established that when NIST refused to complete the investigation, Steven Jones did it for them. His findings have been posted on here countless times. Playing dumb isn't going to change that, although I sympathize that is the only recourse you have.

 

[Thoreau72]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

Well, we know that such spheres were made after the Tunguska Event of 1908. And we know that in Deep Impact and Armageddon both included meteor fragments crashing into major cities.

Iron spheres recovered from Siberia after the 1908 explosion

Maybe the WTC was really brought down by a meteor, hurtled to Earth in order to justify a war in a country with no major natural resources!

Brilliant, I figured it out! No planes at all, meteors! And these spheres prove it! Thank you so much!

Egads man, you're nuttier than I thought.

Jetfuel and gravity do not a meteor make.

 

[Thoreau72]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

If we are to take your word for it, and meteors can also cause these spheres, then you've just proven for us that because we know it wasn't a meteor, the likelihood that it was nanothermite is about 100%.

I do not think that any form of thermite is capable of keeping iron molten for 3 months.

However, there are nuclear devices that could possibly do that.

 

[Oozlefinch]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

Egads man, you're nuttier than I thought.


Jetfuel and gravity do not a meteor make.

 

[OscarB63]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

And I'm not going to play your little game. That proof has been posted several times in this thread. There's no question that explosions can be heard and it is firmly established that when NIST refused to complete the investigation, Steven Jones did it for them. His findings have been posted on here countless times. Playing dumb isn't going to change that, although I sympathize that is the only recourse you have.

yeah, see my other post. Steven Jones' nanothermite has been thoroughly debunked. you lose.....again :failpail:

 

[OscarB63]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

I do not think that any form of thermite is capable of keeping iron molten for 3 months.

However, there are nuclear devices that could possibly do that.

yeah...and it would have to be so radioactive that it would kill everyone near it.

 

[Quag]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

Ah, but thank you. You've just admitted there were nanothermites (albeit, only the iron-oxide version). The point is there should not have been ANY version of nanothermite present in order for non-truthers to have a leg to stand on. You've just kicked the leg right out from under them.

Actually Jones cant even come close to proving his nanothermite came from the WTC.

 

[OscarB63]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

Ah, but thank you. You've just admitted there were nanothermites (albeit, only the iron-oxide version). The point is there should not have been ANY version of nanothermite present in order for non-truthers to have a leg to stand on. You've just kicked the leg right out from under them.

do you have any idea what a nanothermite is or how they are formed? OMFG...a building made of iron and aluminum collapses and there are nano particles of iron and aluminum found in the debris. absolutely shocking.