Is there any way to cure a truther?[W:2707]

[OscarB63]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

I stand my ground on this one, the fact is that WTC 1, 2 & 7 were completely destroyed
because somebody planned it to happen exactly like that.

and it was NOT 19 suicidal Arabs.

Lets bust the emperor for indecent exposure!

occam's razor

 

[psikeyhackr]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

The engineering was not experimental. The engineering was in the case of the twins innovative and it has such that it was susceptible to a runaway flood collapse which has been called ROOSD. This vulnerability was manifest when the planes destroyed axial load paths and the fires weakened what was left of them below capacity such that the top sections above the strike zones came apart and collapsed creating the kick off ROOSD mass.

Rubbish, engineering is applied physics. Steel had to be tested to destruction in engineering labs in order to know how strong it was before it was ever used.

So not knowing how much steel was on every level and talking about ROOSD is totally unscientific nonsense. You talk like you can turn science on and off whenever you want to serve your purposes.

But after 12 years physicists and other academics have shown they are complete jerks. So what will this do to our educational system when the brainwashing fails.

It is like our brilliant economists ignoring the Demand Side Depreciation of all of the automobiles on the planet for the last 50 years. Ignoring physics does not stop it from happening.

psik

 

[psikeyhackr]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

occam's razor

At best Occam's Razor only determines probability not truth. But it must also account for ALL OF THE PHENOMENON. It is about airliners and skyscrapers. Arabs are irrelevant.

The trouble is for most people Occam's Razor is psychological not logical. Whatever is easier for them to believe they regard as truth and claim it is logical.

psik

 

[OscarB63]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

At best Occam's Razor only determines probability not truth. But it must also account for ALL OF THE PHENOMENON. It is about airliners and skyscrapers. Arabs are irrelevant.

The trouble is for most people Occam's Razor is psychological not logical. Whatever is easier for them to believe they regard as truth and claim it is logical.

psik

yeah... like a conspiracy involving thousands of people from multiple agencies that would have required months of covert planning at numerous locations is oh so very logical. especially since none of them has ever come forward to spill the beans.

 

[psikeyhackr]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

yeah... like a conspiracy involving thousands of people from multiple agencies that would have required months of covert planning at numerous locations is oh so very logical. especially since none of them has ever come forward to spill the beans.

Like I said for most people it is psychological. They can't deal with the physics for themselves.

Check with the psychologists. 75% of the population scores below 111 on the IQ tests. Do you think they design skyscrapers and airliners?

They get a warm and comfy feeling from thinking what everyone around them thinks and regard that as intelligent.

Physicists can't do an experiment to demonstrate the collapse in TWELVE YEARS? Very curious!

psik

 

[OscarB63]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

Like I said for most people it is psychological. They can't deal with the physics for themselves.

Check with the psychologists. 75% of the population scores below 111 on the IQ tests. Do you think they design skyscrapers and airliners?

psik

irrelevant crappola. 100% of truthers score below 111 on the IQ tests

 

[Gina]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

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[OscarB63]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

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with all due respect.... the topic is "is there any way to cure a truther". a discussion of the intelligence of said truthers wound be "on topic"

the very premise of this thread is a flame/bait/troll and it should have been flushed long ago.

 

[Gina]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

with all due respect.... the topic is "is there any way to cure a truther". a discussion of the intelligence of said truthers wound be "on topic"

the very premise of this thread is a flame/bait/troll and it should have been flushed long ago.

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[Thoreau72]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

I think, after 2,683 posts, we can close the case and state without any equivocation: There is NO way to cure a truther

Oh no, there is a way. Sufficient Thorazine, or some other psychoactive substance, will make people submit to nonsensical authority, almost every time.

Is that a cure, or just treatment of the symptoms? I suspect the latter.

 

[psikeyhackr]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

irrelevant crappola. 100% of truthers score below 111 on the IQ tests

So you can engage in a form of name calling but so far neither you nor anyone else can decently model a skyscraper being collapse by its top 15% or less by height and weight.

Like I said "psychological"!

Do the physics!

psik

 

[OscarB63]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

So you can engage in a form of name calling but so far neither you nor anyone else can decently model a skyscraper being collapse by its top 15% or less by height and weight.

Like I said "psychological"!

Do the physics!

psik

simple physics. a tall ass building has its structural integrity weakened by explosion and fire then collapses under its own weight. do you seriously believe that if it had been an "inside job" and the buildings were taken down by "thermite" (or whatever other nutjob theory you espouse) there wouldn't have been tons of evidence? how would such explosives been placed without someone noticing? why has none of the hundreds of people that would have been involved ever came forward?

 

[psikeyhackr]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

simple physics. a tall ass building has its structural integrity weakened by explosion and fire then collapses under its own weight. do you seriously believe that if it had been an "inside job" and the buildings were taken down by "thermite" (or whatever other nutjob theory you espouse) there wouldn't have been tons of evidence? how would such explosives been placed without someone noticing? why has none of the hundreds of people that would have been involved ever came forward?

Where have I said anything about an "inside job"?

You can throw around the term "structural integrity" But how do you explain any damage below the 90th floor of the north tower? The building did support its weight for 28 years and withstand 100 mph winds on several occasions.

So why can't experiments be used to explain the collapse if that is what happened? Are you saying this incident is not important enough to justify them? The NIST spent $20,000,000 and couldn't even specify the total amount of concrete. Very Scientific!

psik

 

[OscarB63]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

Where have I said anything about an "inside job"?

so just wtf are you saying? the building collapsed by magic?

 

[Menard_K]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

so just wtf are you saying? the building collapsed by magic?

If one insists on ruling out explosives, then what are you left with
BLACK MAGIC & WITCHCRAFT ...... or?

 

[OscarB63]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

If one insists on ruling out explosives, then what are you left with
BLACK MAGIC & WITCHCRAFT ...... or?

that's what I'm trying to find out. sorry if I don't feel like rereading hundreds of pages of posts to locate his position. WTF is he claiming? if the buildings didn't collapse because huge ass planes slammed into them and exploded, thus compromising the structural integrity...what is he claiming caused the buildings to collapse? he says it wasn't an inside job...so wtf was it?

 

[Menard_K]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

irrelevant crappola. 100% of truthers score below 111 on the IQ tests

Just a thought & I believe that most of those people below that 111 IQ figure can get this also.
what if you saw a train wreck where the locomotive & cars were NOT just off the tracks & rather
heavily damaged, but instead pulverized into tiny particles ? Would you be just a bit suspicious?

The fact is that barring the psychological warfare gong on, most people would look at the
events of 9/11/2001 and ask if it was a movie with cheep special effects?
Unfortunately NOT believable at all. The FACT that there was most definitely NO airliner at
the Pentagon or Shanksville either one. The fact that "FLT175" is more like a ghost than
a real physical object. ....

 

[OscarB63]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

Just a thought & I believe that most of those people below that 111 IQ figure can get this also.
what if you saw a train wreck where the locomotive & cars were NOT just off the tracks & rather
heavily damaged, but instead pulverized into tiny particles ? Would you be just a bit suspicious?

The fact is that barring the psychological warfare gong on, most people would look at the
events of 9/11/2001 and ask if it was a movie with cheep special effects?
Unfortunately NOT believable at all. The FACT that there was most definitely NO airliner at
the Pentagon or Shanksville either one. The fact that "FLT175" is more like a ghost than
a real physical object. ....

so, tell me, what do you think actually happened on 9/11?

 

[Menard_K]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

so, tell me, what do you think actually happened on 9/11?

This is one of my least fav... sorts of questions,
I do NOT engage in speculation, I am looking at evidence that
can be examined and very clearly shows what it is and what sort of conclusions
one can draw from it. It is very clear that there was NO airliner(s) at either
Shanksville or the Pentagon, its is very clear that "FLT11" & "FLT175" were NOT
commercial airliners. It is very clear that the destruction of WTC 1, 2, & 7
were NOT the result of the "terrorist attack" but a very well planned operation
that happened right on Q & to order by some entity with a vested interest in
perpetrating psychological warfare against the American public.

Truly there is a monster on the loose......

While we bullied, stole & bought a homeland
we began the slaughter of the Red Man ....

etc......

 

[OscarB63]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

This is one of my least fav... sorts of questions,
I do NOT engage in speculation, I am looking at evidence that
can be examined and very clearly shows what it is and what sort of conclusions
one can draw from it. It is very clear that there was NO airliner(s) at either
Shanksville or the Pentagon, its is very clear that "FLT11" & "FLT175" were NOT
commercial airliners. It is very clear that the destruction of WTC 1, 2, & 7
were NOT the result of the "terrorist attack" but a very well planned operation
that happened right on Q & to order by some entity with a vested interest in
perpetrating psychological warfare against the American public.

Truly there is a monster on the loose......

While we bullied, stole & bought a homeland
we began the slaughter of the Red Man ....

etc......

so, IOW, you have no idea what "really" happened...you're just convinced that the official story is a lie.

 

[Menard_K]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

so, IOW, you have no idea what "really" happened...you're just convinced that the official story is a lie.

My personal educated guess on the subject is that the people who pull the strings behind the scenes,
wanted an excuse to exercise more control and also dole out some fat contracts to some sleezie businesses
in the form of the TSA shake-down of travelers. Also had the effect of creating a new enemy for the public
to fear, after the Old USSR was no longer our enemy, we had to have something to freak out the public.
There are all sorts of possible reasons that can go into the mix, like the Twin Towers had asbestos insulation
and it would have cost big bux to have it removed, and getting a permit to CD the towers was out of the question.

However, all of the above is NOT what I'm about here, the facts & that is FACTS are all I'm interested in,
and the REAL DATA, shows clearly that there were NO airliners hijacked on that day.

Where is the Taxpayer outrage? ....
America ... are we MAD AS HELL
yet?

 

[OscarB63]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

My personal educated guess on the subject is that the people who pull the strings behind the scenes,
wanted an excuse to exercise more control and also dole out some fat contracts to some sleezie businesses
in the form of the TSA shake-down of travelers. Also had the effect of creating a new enemy for the public
to fear, after the Old USSR was no longer our enemy, we had to have something to freak out the public.
There are all sorts of possible reasons that can go into the mix, like the Twin Towers had asbestos insulation
and it would have cost big bux to have it removed, and getting a permit to CD the towers was out of the question.

However, all of the above is NOT what I'm about here, the facts & that is FACTS are all I'm interested in,
and the REAL DATA, shows clearly that there were NO airliners hijacked on that day.

Where is the Taxpayer outrage? ....
America ... are we MAD AS HELL
yet?

I'd just like to see some FACTS on how it could have been done, instead of just how it couldn't have happened as explained.

things like: if there were no airliners hijacked that day....what happened to all of the people who were allegedly on them? obviously they were real people, since we have seen countless interviews with freinds and family. were they loaded onto planes and flown to some secret location and killed? Did the govt (or whoever) pay them big bucks to give up their lives and families to take part in this conspiracy? according to passenger lists, etc...there were 265 people aboard those 4 planes. so where the hell did they go?

 

[Menard_K]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

I'd just like to see some FACTS on how it could have been done, instead of just how it couldn't have happened as explained.

things like: if there were no airliners hijacked that day....what happened to all of the people who were allegedly on them? obviously they were real people, since we have seen countless interviews with freinds and family. were they loaded onto planes and flown to some secret location and killed? Did the govt (or whoever) pay them big bucks to give up their lives and families to take part in this conspiracy? according to passenger lists, etc...there were 265 people aboard those 4 planes. so where the hell did they go?

Even with interviews with family & friends / school-mates ... etc ... we can NOT be certain that the perpetrators didn't arrange for actors to play the parts & tell the stories, there may or may not have been the full list of victims, and indeed some of the victims may have been people that the perpetrators considered a liability and therefore needed to be removed. We may never know the full story of this ( oops ... ) however, for the purposes of kicking off a program of convicting the Donkey & Elephant as accessories to the crime, The court of Public Opinion MUST weigh in on this subject, but only after being properly informed.

Like I say

AMERICA
are we MAD AS HELL
yet?

 

[OscarB63]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

Even with interviews with family & friends / school-mates ... etc ... we can NOT be certain that the perpetrators didn't arrange for actors to play the parts & tell the stories,

you do realize that this scenario multiplies the number of conspirators many fold? again, unless "they" killed everyone involved (which they didn't because most of those alleged friends and family (actors or not) are still alive) you are talking about thousands of people being "in on it" and not a single one of them has ever come forward.


the whole thing is just too complex and convoluted for this to have been some grand scheme pulled off by some mysterious group of people.

 

[Menard_K]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

you do realize that this scenario multiplies the number of conspirators many fold? again, unless "they" killed everyone involved (which they didn't because most of those alleged friends and family (actors or not) are still alive) you are talking about thousands of people being "in on it" and not a single one of them has ever come forward.


the whole thing is just too complex and convoluted for this to have been some grand scheme pulled off by some mysterious group of people.

Think about this ... a bunch of little kids discussing the validity of "Santa Clause"
and one of them sez " ask any grown-up, they will tell you that Santa is real"
now, does this imply a CONSPIRACY between ALL of the adults, or is it simply that
there is an agreed upon mode of support for a given fairy tale because its perceived to be a good idea?