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Is there any way to cure a truther?[W:2707]

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So like...hundreds, maybe thousands of people? And there's not a one whistleblower among them or the thousands more that would be required to do this? And every single person in that larger body of credible experts works for the people who set it up?

Read that paragraph out loud and you might understand why people laugh at truthers.

take a look at some of history's whistleblowers and the scandals they uncovered. compare any of them to the magnitude of what would have been required to pull off 9/11 and you will see just how ridiculous the "truthers" really are.

Mark Felt, Federal Bureau of Investigation

How he blew the whistle: As the associate director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation in the early 1970s, Mark Felt was aware of illegal attempts by the Nixon Administration to spy on political opponents, breaking into offices and reading their mail. So when J. Edgar Hoover died in 1972, and Nixon bypassed Felt to appoint an ally as FBI director, Felt became a critical source to Washington Post reporter Bob Woodward, as he and fellow reporter Carl Bernstein investigated the Watergate Hotel break-in and resulting scandal.

Daniel Ellsberg, U.S. Department of Defense

How he blew the whistle: In the 1960s and early 1970s, military leaders and the White House claimed that the U.S. was winning the Vietnam War. In private, however, they wrote an encyclopedic history that detailed America's failures. In 1969, young defense analyst Daniel Ellsberg began photocopying Department of Defense records which documented how four presidential administrations misled the American public. It also revealed the secret bombing campaign in Cambodia.

Sherron Watkins, Enron

How she blew the whistle: In August 2001, Sherron Watkins, then Enron's vice president for corporate development, sent an explosive, seven-page email to the energy company's CEO, Kenneth Lay. She detailed what she called an "elaborate accounting hoax," which included inflating income and hiding epic losses. Although Lay claimed that he'd launch an investigation, Watkins said that she was immediately punished; her computer's hard drive was confiscated and her desk relocated to the nether regions of Enron. Four months later, Enron could no longer sustain the fraud, and it filed for bankruptcy.

Thomas Drake, National Security Agency

How he blew the whistle: In the aftermath of the Sept. 11 attacks, the National Security Agency began a secret surveillance program to avert future terrorist stikes. The NSA's counterterrorism program allowed the agency to analyze data shared over cell phones and e-mail. A top executive at the NSA, Drake felt the program was unlawful and unnecessary and he leaked top-secret documents about it to Baltimore Sun reporter Siobhan Gorman in 2006.


just to list a few
 
Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

take a look at some of history's whistleblowers and the scandals they uncovered. compare any of them to the magnitude of what would have been required to pull off 9/11 and you will see just how ridiculous the "truthers" really are.

Mark Felt, Federal Bureau of Investigation

Daniel Ellsberg, U.S. Department of Defense

Sherron Watkins, Enron

Thomas Drake, National Security Agency


just to list a few

Great ... so speculation about whistle blowers trumps hard evidence?
The photographic evidence of the Pentagon hit, + the video that alleges to show "FLT175"
penetrating the south wall of the south tower. + the video of WTC7 "collapsing" into complete & total destruction. There is a factor in the completeness of the destruction, what is the largest single bit of anything found at Ground Zero? one badly mangled file cabinet? What bit of anything a telephone a desk
( etc... ) could be found at Ground Zero? the fact is, that in any case of complete & total destruction, the investigators must step in and control the crime scene, and actually INVESTIGATE .... WHY has the Mayor of NYC been allowed to get away with destruction of evidence & obstruction of justice?
 
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One more comment/disclaimer: I don't believe everything the official experts claim on the subject of the 9/11 collapses, not by a long shot. That doesn't mean I have to believe the claims of contrarian experts. False dichotomy.

No, but you believe the whole ball of wax. You defend the official story, and by implication accept the official story, piece by piece.

And that's comical, for a physicist. :lol:
 
Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

take a look at some of history's whistleblowers and the scandals they uncovered. compare any of them to the magnitude of what would have been required to pull off 9/11 and you will see just how ridiculous the "truthers" really are.

Mark Felt, Federal Bureau of Investigation

How he blew the whistle: As the associate director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation in the early 1970s, Mark Felt was aware of illegal attempts by the Nixon Administration to spy on political opponents, breaking into offices and reading their mail. So when J. Edgar Hoover died in 1972, and Nixon bypassed Felt to appoint an ally as FBI director, Felt became a critical source to Washington Post reporter Bob Woodward, as he and fellow reporter Carl Bernstein investigated the Watergate Hotel break-in and resulting scandal.

Daniel Ellsberg, U.S. Department of Defense

How he blew the whistle: In the 1960s and early 1970s, military leaders and the White House claimed that the U.S. was winning the Vietnam War. In private, however, they wrote an encyclopedic history that detailed America's failures. In 1969, young defense analyst Daniel Ellsberg began photocopying Department of Defense records which documented how four presidential administrations misled the American public. It also revealed the secret bombing campaign in Cambodia.

Sherron Watkins, Enron

How she blew the whistle: In August 2001, Sherron Watkins, then Enron's vice president for corporate development, sent an explosive, seven-page email to the energy company's CEO, Kenneth Lay. She detailed what she called an "elaborate accounting hoax," which included inflating income and hiding epic losses. Although Lay claimed that he'd launch an investigation, Watkins said that she was immediately punished; her computer's hard drive was confiscated and her desk relocated to the nether regions of Enron. Four months later, Enron could no longer sustain the fraud, and it filed for bankruptcy.

Thomas Drake, National Security Agency

How he blew the whistle: In the aftermath of the Sept. 11 attacks, the National Security Agency began a secret surveillance program to avert future terrorist stikes. The NSA's counterterrorism program allowed the agency to analyze data shared over cell phones and e-mail. A top executive at the NSA, Drake felt the program was unlawful and unnecessary and he leaked top-secret documents about it to Baltimore Sun reporter Siobhan Gorman in 2006.


just to list a few

What an intellectually void and bankrupt post.

So it goes, attempting to defend the indefensible.
 
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Great ... so speculation about whistle blowers trumps hard evidence?
The photographic evidence of the Pentagon hit, + the video that alleges to show "FLT175"
penetrating the south wall of the south tower. + the video of WTC7 "collapsing" into complete & total destruction. There is a factor in the completeness of the destruction, what is the largest single bit of anything found at Ground Zero? one badly mangled file cabinet? What bit of anything a telephone a desk
( etc... ) could be found at Ground Zero? the fact is, that in any case of complete & total destruction, the investigators must step in and control the crime scene, and actually INVESTIGATE .... WHY has the Mayor of NYC been allowed to get away with destruction of evidence & obstruction of justice?

Are you ever going to try and post any evidence or just repeat the same lame stuff over and over again?
 
Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

What an intellectually void and bankrupt post.

So it goes, attempting to defend the indefensible.

That is what you do at every turn HD
 
Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

So like...hundreds, maybe thousands of people? And there's not a one whistleblower among them or the thousands more that would be required to do this? And every single person in that larger body of credible experts works for the people who set it up?

Read that paragraph out loud and you might understand why people laugh at truthers.

Why would you say that knowing full well how incredibly retarded the official story sounds when read aloud. His statements above may have sounded dumb but do they even compare to the whopper of faith across the board fishing tale? Truthers follow the evidence and what emerges from this is a story that raises far far far less questions than the official CT.
 
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Why would you say that knowing full well how incredibly retarded the official story sounds when read aloud. His statements above may have sounded dumb but do they even compare to the whopper of faith across the board fishing tale? Truthers follow the evidence and what emerges from this is a story that raises far far far less questions than the official CT.

Lol there is nothing more convoluted than the thinking of a truther.
 
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Why would you say that knowing full well how incredibly retarded the official story sounds when read aloud.
lol?

His statements above may have sounded dumb but do they even compare to the whopper of faith across the board fishing tale?

No, they don't compare. But not in that way you think.

Truthers follow the evidence and what emerges from this is a story that raises far far far less questions than the official CT.

No, they don't.
 
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Lol there is nothing more convoluted than the thinking of a truther.

it makes a gordian knot look simple by comparison
 
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hey.....they "believe" it, so it must be true.

There is FAITH that is believing in something that you can not prove,
and then there is KNOWING because you can see prof with your own eyes.

The whole idea that hijacked airliners were used as weapons, is so complex
as to be mind blowing in and of itself, but the much more logical explanation is
that the attack was done without hijacked airliners and somebody ( or group )
with an agenda chose to promote the hijacking concept because they could
then create yet another Bureaucracy "TSA" and use the "security force" to
rip-off & abuse the peons ....
 
Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

There is FAITH that is believing in something that you can not prove,
and then there is KNOWING because you can see prof with your own eyes.

The whole idea that hijacked airliners were used as weapons, is so complex
as to be mind blowing in and of itself, but the much more logical explanation is
that the attack was done without hijacked airliners and somebody ( or group )
with an agenda chose to promote the hijacking concept because they could
then create yet another Bureaucracy "TSA" and use the "security force" to
rip-off & abuse the peons ....

No, not really.
 
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Lol there is nothing more convoluted than the thinking of a truther.

I know, aren't they just insane with this whole "truth" garbage? I mean, could you imagine interpreting reality exactly how it is presented??
They are so wacked@!! To stand by and watch as gag orders are placed on emergency responders to prevent them from talking about what they saw and heard, investigations "blocked", and ground zero materials and debris whisked away in the blink of an eye and in defiance of law and protocol, israeli terrorists arrested with TONS of explosives before being deported and never charged, to watch all of this and CONCLUDE THAT THERE IS A COVERUP?!? How absurd!!

Who in their right mind is going to sit there and watch news report after news report and official statement after official statement being "retracted" - retraction after retraction and think "this is a cover-up"....? This is not only convoluted, it is pure tin foil hat insanity!!! I hate all this calling it as it is bs. It's so much more reasonable to take all this information in and conclude that there is no inside involvement.

Twooofers are so dumb though. They actually think bombs were going off in all 3 buildings because that's what EVERYBODY said happened!!!! What idiots!! Everybody knows you should never believe first-hand witnesses because their mind is tainted from like - BEING THERE!! DUH!!They should believe us instead. Those cops and firemen and expert witnesses don't know more than us, but that's the gullible twoofer thinking.....they'll never be smart like us and believe`what the facts and evidence don't support.

Here's how delusional a twoofer is: they think a plane didn't hit the pentagon because a plane didn't hit the pentagon!!!!! ROFL! Even after watching the security camera footage from every angle that shows no plane, they STILL think there was no plane!! Duh!! DELUSIONAL TWOOFERS ARE SO DUMB!! HAHAHAHA!!!
 
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There is FAITH that is believing in something that you can not prove,
and then there is KNOWING because you can see prof with your own eyes.

The whole idea that hijacked airliners were used as weapons, is so complex
as to be mind blowing in and of itself, but the much more logical explanation is
that the attack was done without hijacked airliners and somebody ( or group )
with an agenda chose to promote the hijacking concept because they could
then create yet another Bureaucracy "TSA" and use the "security force" to
rip-off & abuse the peons ....

nothing complex about flying planes into buildings. What is complex is the contortions that truthers go to, to try and come up with alternate explanations. every time there is a slight problem with their explanation they add another level to the conspiracy which is why it is in the thousands if not tens of thousands for the number of people they need involved.
You have yet to show any evidence aside from attempts to twist the truth about why your particular CT is correct.
 
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I know, aren't they just insane with this whole "truth" garbage? I mean, could you imagine interpreting reality exactly how it is presented??
They are so wacked@!! To stand by and watch as gag orders are placed on emergency responders to prevent them from talking about what they saw and heard, investigations "blocked", and ground zero materials and debris whisked away in the blink of an eye and in defiance of law and protocol, israeli terrorists arrested with TONS of explosives before being deported and never charged, to watch all of this and CONCLUDE THAT THERE IS A COVERUP?!? How absurd!!

Who in their right mind is going to sit there and watch news report after news report and official statement after official statement being "retracted" - retraction after retraction and think "this is a cover-up"....? This is not only convoluted, it is pure tin foil hat insanity!!! I hate all this calling it as it is bs. It's so much more reasonable to take all this information in and conclude that there is no inside involvement.

Twooofers are so dumb though. They actually think bombs were going off in all 3 buildings because that's what EVERYBODY said happened!!!! What idiots!! Everybody knows you should never believe first-hand witnesses because their mind is tainted from like - BEING THERE!! DUH!!They should believe us instead. Those cops and firemen and expert witnesses don't know more than us, but that's the gullible twoofer thinking.....they'll never be smart like us and believe`what the facts and evidence don't support.

Here's how delusional a twoofer is: they think a plane didn't hit the pentagon because a plane didn't hit the pentagon!!!!! ROFL! Even after watching the security camera footage from every angle that shows no plane, they STILL think there was no plane!! Duh!! DELUSIONAL TWOOFERS ARE SO DUMB!! HAHAHAHA!!!

Unfortunately all of your facts are made up. If you interpreted reality as it actually happened you wouldn't be a truther. You would admit it was hijacked planes on 911.
You have no facts on your side 4 planes were hijacked and crashed on 911, this is reality you may not like it but to deny it requires an ability to twist and distort reality to an increadible degree (some more so than others, depending on whether you believe there were 1,2,3,4 planes, whether there was mininukes or holographic projections etc)
 
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So a commercial airliner penetrating completely through the wall of a steel framed skyscraper in less than 350 milliseconds is not considered relevant data? izat it? People who heard explosions right before WTC7 "collapsed" is that not relevant?
The fact the the NIST engages in publishing lame excuses like "total collapse was inevitable ... " & there could not possibly have been explosives used to bring down WTC7 .. because people would have heard .... DUH! people did hear and report explosions.

what does it take to get you to actually open your eyes and look at the evidence?

"Unfortunately all of your facts are made up." Can you show a foundation for this statement?
 
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So a commercial airliner penetrating completely through the wall of a steel framed skyscraper in less than 350 milliseconds is not considered relevant data? izat it? People who heard explosions right before WTC7 "collapsed" is that not relevant?
The fact the the NIST engages in publishing lame excuses like "total collapse was inevitable ... " & there could not possibly have been explosives used to bring down WTC7 .. because people would have heard .... DUH! people did hear and report explosions.

what does it take to get you to actually open your eyes and look at the evidence?

"Unfortunately all of your facts are made up." Can you show a foundation for this statement?

can you prove your 350 milliseconds? and what did you expect the plane to do?
the "explosions" have been explained not my fault if you refuse to learn.
the collapse happened therefore it was inevitable. duh!
Open your eyes and learn the truth not the twooth!
Read through the hundreds of pages on this subject and you will find links to all relevant facts.

Truly the truthers are running around without any clothes.
 
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So a commercial airliner penetrating completely through the wall of a steel framed skyscraper in less than 350 milliseconds is not considered relevant data?

No.

People who heard explosions right before WTC7 "collapsed" is that not relevant?

No.

The fact the the NIST engages in publishing lame excuses like "total collapse was inevitable ... " & there could not possibly have been explosives used to bring down WTC7 .. because people would have heard .... DUH! people did hear and report explosions.

No.

what does it take to get you to actually open your eyes and look at the evidence?

That's what we're asking you.

"Unfortunately all of your facts are made up." Can you show a foundation for this statement?

Your posts.
 
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It would seem that truthers need only prove one aspect of the official nine eleven report be false to
cast reasonable doubt on other aspects of the official version. This has been done.

The official version the flight path of the Pentagon plane, wasn't as stated in the official report.
Credible eye witness testimony, and a very interesting interview with the cab driver who's cab
allegedly was impaled with a light post, at the end of this flick.

 
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It would seem that truthers need only prove one aspect of the official nine eleven report be false to
cast reasonable doubt on other aspects of the official version. This has been done.

The official version the flight path of the Pentagon plane, wasn't as stated in the official report.
Credible eye witness testimony, and a very interesting interview with the cab driver who's cab
allegedly was impaled with a light post, at the end of this flick.



whoopdeedo.... obviously the OCT is laced with rubbish... does not lead to the conclusion of an inside job or a CD... or a false flag. All assertions and all without evidence.
 
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Well done Sphere! :)

I watched only about 30 minutes, but it was nicely done.

Fascinating how those 2 Pentagon cops drew the same flight path, and had not talked about the subject for the previous 5 years.
 
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I didn't say CT, inside job, CD.
I do think the official report leaves a lot to be desired in regard to what happened, how, and why.
 
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