Is there any way to cure a truther?[W:2707]

[psikeyhackr]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

Sander

Yes, I'm guilty of the duality charge you level.

I have reduced it to a very simple equation--the OCT is either true, or it is false. Remember those old lessons in logic? A statement is either true, or its opposite. You might consider that an oversimplification, but in the end that is the only choice I have in deciding this question.

A simple statement must be either true or false but that does not necessarily mean its state can be determined.


There is intelligent life in the Andromeda galaxy.

That statement is either true or false. Who can prove either one?

But on 9/11/01 two nearly identical buildings were hit by two nearly identical planes with nearly identical results.

It should be possible to come up with extremely high probabilities as to whether the consequences of the airliner impacts could lead to the result. 9/11 is a blight on the reputation of the physics profession. Not even asking obvious questions after 12 years.

psik

 

[SanderO]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

A simple statement must be either true or false but that does not necessarily mean its state can be determined.

psik

This statement is false.

 

[Menard_K]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

This statement is false.

Not Logical
Jim .....
Not Logical at all .....


So, to "cure" a truther ...... firs I'd like to understand,
does the "truther" need to be cured ?

 

[SanderO]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

Not Logical
Jim .....
Not Logical at all .....

recommended reading

Gödel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gödel,_Escher,_Bach

You need to learn something about thinking...

 

[Thoreau72]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

A simple statement must be either true or false but that does not necessarily mean its state can be determined.


There is intelligent life in the Andromeda galaxy.

That statement is either true or false. Who can prove either one?

But on 9/11/01 two nearly identical buildings were hit by two nearly identical planes with nearly identical results.

It should be possible to come up with extremely high probabilities as to whether the consequences of the airliner impacts could lead to the result. 9/11 is a blight on the reputation of the physics profession. Not even asking obvious questions after 12 years.

psik

There is conflicting evidence regarding the idea that 2 aircraft of the same type struck both towers.

Notwithstanding the Naudet video and whether it's fake or not, of the many phone calls to 911 operators in NYC, many of the callers described the first strike as being a smaller plane, perhaps a commuter plane or corporate type.

That testimony is corroborated to some extent by the very short duration video taken from a nearby parking lot camera.

Otherwise, I understand what you're saying.

My mind has been made up for years--the official story is not true, and that can be proved in many ways regarding many elements of the story.

 

[Quag]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

There is conflicting evidence regarding the idea that 2 aircraft of the same type struck both towers.

Notwithstanding the Naudet video and whether it's fake or not, of the many phone calls to 911 operators in NYC, many of the callers described the first strike as being a smaller plane, perhaps a commuter plane or corporate type.

That testimony is corroborated to some extent by the very short duration video taken from a nearby parking lot camera.

Otherwise, I understand what you're saying.

My mind has been made up for years--the official story is not true, and that can be proved in many ways regarding many elements of the story.

And yet you have never proven it

 

[psikeyhackr]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

This statement is false.

recommended reading

Gödel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gödel,_Escher,_Bach

You need to learn something about thinking...

That was done in a Star Trek episode back in the 60s. Very impressive!

This entire 9/11 business is a demonstration of NO THINKING. No decent experiment done of grade school physics in TWELVE YEARS.

psik

 

[SanderO]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

My mind has been made up for years--the official story is not true, and that can be proved in many ways regarding many elements of the story.

My mind is not... but I am not convinced by the inside job stuff... no coherent comprehensive conspiracy laid out.. mostly built on falsely founded disbelief about what happened. Once you put yourself in the position to accept speculation as fact... anything goes... and for all practical purposes.. you're gone too.

Remain skeptical.

 

[Kane]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

My mind is not... but I am not convinced by the inside job stuff... no coherent comprehensive conspiracy laid out.. mostly built on falsely founded disbelief about what happened. Once you put yourself in the position to accept speculation as fact... anything goes... and for all practical purposes.. you're gone too.

Remain skeptical.

Your posts are getting pathetic, and as a two faced veteran of so many boards, you are a disruptor, trying to be all things to all people. Now, you've solidified in some LIHOP hogwash just because only debunkers talk in this lamest of threads ever !?!

"LIHOP" was created by 9/11 Truth frauds and interlopers. It never was use as a term until dividers had to create a dichotomy. Maybe you are like Bill Clinton you check which way the wind is blowing before you take a position, which currently is residing in debunker threads.

 

[SanderO]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

Your posts are getting pathetic, and as a two faced veteran of so many boards, you are a disruptor, trying to be all things to all people. Now, you've solidified in some LIHOP hogwash just because only debunkers talk in this lamest of threads ever !?!

"LIHOP" was created by 9/11 Truth frauds and interlopers. It never was use as a term until dividers had to create a dichotomy. Maybe you are like Bill Clinton you check which way the wind is blowing before you take a position, which currently is residing in debunker threads.

hahahaha

acronyns are handy.

I don't see the world in black and white but shades of gray. Sorry

And I am a sailor too.

 

[Thoreau72]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

And yet you have never proven it

I stand corrected. Any element can be disproven to a curious and open-minded person.

OTOH, nothing at all can be proven to a person with cognitive dissonance or certain loyalties.

 

[Quag]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

I stand corrected. Any element can be disproven to a curious and open-minded person.

OTOH, nothing at all can be proven to a person with cognitive dissonance or certain loyalties.

I know the truth cannot be proven to you and you cannot prove your own BS.

 

[Kane]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

hahahaha

acronyns are handy.

I don't see the world in black and white but shades of gray. Sorry

And I am a sailor too.

For the IDF?:mrgreen:eace

I saw you in that picture with the dark sunglasses, and I thought, "Hmmm. Looks like CIA."

Seriously.

 

[SanderO]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

hahaha... never been accused of that one. Oh that's precious....

 

[mike2810]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

hahaha... never been accused of that one. Oh that's precious....

SanderO, we all know you and me are disinfo agents.:lol:

 

[Kane]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

hahaha... never been accused of that one. Oh that's precious....

CNN needs new controlled assets, you could be the next Anderson Cooper! :mrgreen:

 

[Menard_K]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

I know the truth cannot be proven to you and you cannot prove your own BS.

The TRUTH here seems to be an elusive quantity..... oops!

Ref: Donald Rumsfeld's bit about known unknowns & unknown unknowns ( etc ..... ad nausum )

 

[Menard_K]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

Absolutely and the maths have been done to prove this. Where is your math?

The problem is, as always that you chose to view the problem through your own personal brand of reality distortion instead of trying to understand how things really work. The twin towers were destroyed one floor at a time. When the portion of the building above the impact points became a dynamic rather than a static load it acted directly on the floor below, exceeding that floors capacity by a factor of 30. Then the dynamic forces kept moving downwards (in the direction of gravity) acting on the floors below one at a time. The Twin Towers were not trees. They were after all about 95% air on the inside.

By the "math" do you include the Bazant paper in your list of prof that the WTC towers "collapsed" exactly as they should have driven by gravity to complete & total destruction? what? How do you explain the wave-front of destruction descending at 64% of the acceleration of gravity?

Fact is, people can produce pages & pages of numbers to "prove" almost anything, and until yet another PHD in math comes along to debunk it .... oh well .... I prefer the common sense approach and given common sense + Newtons laws, the "collapse" of the twin towers & WTC 7 are all obviously Controlled Demolition.

 

[SanderO]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

By the "math" do you include the Bazant paper in your list of prof that the WTC towers "collapsed" exactly as they should have driven by gravity to complete & total destruction? what? How do you explain the wave-front of destruction descending at 64% of the acceleration of gravity?

Fact is, people can produce pages & pages of numbers to "prove" almost anything, and until yet another PHD in math comes along to debunk it .... oh well .... I prefer the common sense approach and given common sense + Newtons laws, the "collapse" of the twin towers & WTC 7 are all obviously Controlled Demolition.

Where did you come up with this:

"descending at 64% of the acceleration of gravity"

What was descending at 64% of gravity? And how was this number arrived at? I think you are simply repeating something you found somewhere else.

There was a complex "wave of destruction" moving downward INSIDE the twin towers obviously driven by gravity. The descending mass flow DID encounter and DID OVERCOME the resistance to the descent that each floor represented and it did slow down the decent. Each floor acted like a speed bump. But each destroyed floor also added to the amount of the descending mass. The period of resistance... destroying each floor was very brief.. the amount of deceleration (slowing of the mass flow/descent) was rather small. Some have been able to measure the descent in a relatively small portion of the towers which show the destruction "front" behind the facade. Those measurements reveal that in that region the descent was at 65 mph... NOT A FRACTION OF G. It was consistent velocity at the resolution of a 12' floor interval.. that is what can be seen bursting out of the window line which were spaced 12 foot vertically. YOU CAN'T RESOLVE THE DOWNWARD MOTION MORE THAN 12' INTERVALS.

If you take some arbitrary start and some arbitrary end... you can only assume that V began as 0 and knowing the duration and the distance traveled AND MAKE AN ASSUMPTION that there was constant acceleration and arrive at your fraction of G... clearly something less than G because there WAS SOMETHING there to SLOW descent. But with two points and a distance traverse you can't KNOW WHAT WAS HAPPENING IN BETWEEN.

So what is the significance of .65G?

NOTHING...nothing at all.... and it wasn't even .64 G... there's no set of data to support this.

The behavior of the mass descent was perfectly predictable (less than G for sure...) knowing the mass and the nature of the structure (strength) to resist the mass flow.

 

[Menard_K]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

Where did you come up with this:

"descending at 64% of the acceleration of gravity"

What was descending at 64% of gravity? And how was this number arrived at? I think you are simply repeating something you found somewhere else.

So what is the significance of .65G?

NOTHING...nothing at all.... and it wasn't even .64 G... there's no set of data to support this.

The behavior of the mass descent was perfectly predictable (less than G for sure...) knowing the mass and the nature of the structure (strength) to resist the mass flow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrkLmENyVpY

Note that even on the day it happened ( 9/11/2001 ) I could see with my own eyes that the towers
( yes both of them ) experienced uniform downward acceleration while "collapsing". There is a point
when the Arson investigators MUST take action and investigate, when the destruction is complete &
far too uniform to have been an "accident"..... what we observe in the case of WTC 1, 2 & 7 is the
deliberate destruction of buildings by some as yet unnamed perpetrator, the facts speak for themselves.

Also note that the news professionals at the time said that the destruction looked like
CONTROLLED DEMOLITION. as WTC7 "collapses" the statement is made for the third time today
we see a building destroyed in a manner reminiscent of when old buildings are destroyed on purpose.

Lets face it, We The People have a duty & obligation to bust the emperor for indecent exposure!

 

[SanderO]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrkLmENyVpY

Note that even on the day it happened ( 9/11/2001 ) I could see with my own eyes that the towers
( yes both of them ) experienced uniform downward acceleration while "collapsing". There is a point
when the Arson investigators MUST take action and investigate, when the destruction is complete &
far too uniform to have been an "accident"..... what we observe in the case of WTC 1, 2 & 7 is the
deliberate destruction of buildings by some as yet unnamed perpetrator, the facts speak for themselves.

Also note that the news professionals at the time said that the destruction looked like
CONTROLLED DEMOLITION. as WTC7 "collapses" the statement is made for the third time today
we see a building destroyed in a manner reminiscent of when old buildings are destroyed on purpose.

Lets face it, We The People have a duty & obligation to bust the emperor for indecent exposure!

You can't see acceleration with your eyes.. especially the twin towers.. they did not show acceleration except in the very beginning when V increased from 0... like a car does when the light turn green and it moves into the intersection.

 

[OldWorldOrder]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

Wow. Some people are just bat**** crazy.

 

[SanderO]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

Wow. Some people are just bat**** crazy.

this is true.... and some are not... and what does that have to do with anything here?

 

[Oozlefinch]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

This has gone on for so long, I think the topic should simply be ended, and the consensus be "No, they can't be cured. They are simply to crazy."

 

[psikeyhackr]

Re: Is there any way to cure a truther?

This has gone on for so long, I think the topic should simply be ended, and the consensus be "No, they can't be cured. They are simply to crazy."

Hundreds of years after any conspirators are all dead PHYSICS will still work the same way.

Talking about conspiracies without having resolved the physics is idiotic.

But why aren't people who say airliners and fire could do it demanding experimental evidence?

Physics must be TRUTH because people cannot change it.

psik