Is there a single example of cultural conservatism being on the right side of history?

[tonyeveland]

I did all this reading and not ONE single example of conservatism being on the correct side of history.

I guess 272 replies without an answer is the answer. Not only are there none, but conservatives can't admit it

I guess you missed my post about Reagan's 1980's
You probably missed a few others too.

 

[RIP U.S. Democracy]

I don't sympathize with the Confederacy.

I believe in the Constitution and the destruction of states rights has hurt the country.

Yeah well...starting a stupid, misguided war to fight for the right to own slaves caused a lot more "hurt" to the country, I would say.

Do you disagree?

Obviously

Can you live without sarcasm?

Already answered

 

[Greenbeard]

Peoples premiums rose significantly and people lost their plans and doctors immediately after ACA passed.

People's incomes also rose. Slightly faster, in fact, such that premiums and per enrollee health spending as a percentage of per capita income have slightly ticked downward over the past decade. As for some people changing plans or networks, that's the nature of a market-based approach.

 

[RIP U.S. Democracy]

To the active participants in this Thread, has the Thread Title Query been positively answered, with sufficient legitimacy, at any point in this Thread?

Please don't hate on me, unless you can't help yourself, for my not reading the 257 posts already made here to discover the answer for myself.

I thought long and hard in order to come up with any noteworthy Republican contributions to American society during the past 100 years. This is LITERALLY all I could come up with --

1) Nixon creating the EPA in the early 1970s
2) Eisenhower creating the Interstate highway system in the 1950s

I cannot think of anything else.

 

[tonyeveland]

Impossible with you. You can't make a non-racist, non-MAGA argument.

No, I can't make you use sarcasm. Only you can.

Give me an example of my "racist quotes"

 

[tonyeveland]

I thought long and hard in order to come up with any noteworthy Republican contributions to American society during the past 100 years. This is LITERALLY all I could come up with --

1) Nixon creating the EPA in the early 1970s
2) Eisenhower creating the Interstate highway system in the 1950s

I cannot think of anything else.

Reagan created the best economy that we've had sense.
And he handled the USSR properly, hurrying its demise.

 

[HenryChinaski]

Do you have an example of cultural conservatism that is remembered well today?

Leave it to Beaver?

 

[Fearandloathing]

Yeah well...starting a stupid, misguided war to fight for the right to own slaves caused a lot more "hurt" to the country, I would say.


Obviously


Already answered

What has always bothered me is that all other nations had, by then, changed to a wage-based model but Americans would rather die in war!

History is littered with entire races of people who would not change.

 

[tonyeveland]

People's incomes also rose. Slightly faster, in fact, such that premiums and per enrollee health spending as a percentage of per capita income have slightly ticked downward over the past decade. As for some people changing plans or networks, that's the nature of a market-based approach.

People didn't change their plans. That implies they wanted to.

Obamacare took their plans away from them.

 

[RIP U.S. Democracy]

Well, I'm explaining to you how Trump didn't mishandle covid. The Democrats did.

Just stop. This is pure idiocy. Trump lied to millions of Americans about Covid from the very beginning. Trump is responsible for the deaths of more dumb **** MAGA supporters than any Democrat. That I can assure you.

Trump knew Covid was deadly from the very beginning...he told Bob Woodward in a recorded interview about it in Feb 2020. And then he told Americans it wasn't deadly and that it would magically disappear.

The DOJ should also charge Trump for dereliction of duty regarding Covid.

 

[Buckeyes85]

By "assimilate" you mean accept the destruction of the Constitution by destroying state's rights.
The Confederates were right about states rights, which are now greatly diminished. To our detriment.

The white majority created the richest and freest nation ever.

Wow.
Tell me, with specificity,how the constitution was being destroyed and with it state's rights.

As to your last comment, I doubt the millions of slaves in the south would agree with your "freest nation ever" comment. In fact, I wouldn't expect to hear something that stupid outside a Klan rally.

 

[bomberfox]

No, they aren't. America wasn't founded on religious tolerance.

The Virginia colony was an overtly commercial venture. The Puritans did largely flee England (via Holland) to escape religious oppression; but once they got to the US, they turned right around and basically persecuted everyone else. Any variation in religious opinion, or refusal to observe Puritan religious practices, was banned; they even executed Quakers.

As the colonies grew, there was little to no respect for Jews, Muslims, or indigenous religions. Even Catholics faced centuries of oppression in the US.

6 of the 13 original states had laws establishing a religion, and laws restricting religion were common; remember, the 1st Amendment only applied to the federal government until a) the 14th Amendment was passed, and b) the SCOTUS incorporated the Establishment Clause to the states in 1947. Even today, the worst justice on the Court (Thomas) still objects to that interpretation.

A strain of religious tolerance was fairly well developed by the late 18th century, but it wasn't a founding principle, and certainly didn't rule the day. More of an afterthought, it was often ignored for around 150 years.

So, I'd grant you Jefferson (despite how he was constantly at cross purposes with himself...), but for Tyler: 1843 is a long time after Europeans first arrived, and decades after the Constitution was ratified. And I'd guess Tyler wrote that letter because respect for non-Christian religions was not particularly strong.

Meanwhile, Muslims were rare in the US until quite recently. Many were African slaves. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that enslaving Muslims is probably not what we think of as "religious freedom as a founding principle..."

There be vile papacy afoot!

 

[tonyeveland]

Just stop. This is pure idiocy. Trump lied to millions of Americans about Covid from the very beginning. Trump is responsible for the deaths of more dumb **** MAGA supporters than any Democrat. That I can assure you.

Trump knew Covid was deadly from the very beginning...he told Bob Woodward in a recorded interview about it in Feb 2020. And then he told Americans it wasn't deadly and that it would magically disappear.

The DOJ should also charge Trump for dereliction of duty regarding Covid.

Why did you ignore all this:



The Director of the CDC said that 75% of "covid deaths" were people with 4 or more morbidities.
How many had 3 or more, 85%?

The government paid hospitals more money for calling a death by covid. In your opinion would that cause hospitals to overstate covid deaths.

Heart related deaths went down during the covid years. An additional disease would make heart related deaths go up.

Does any of this sound legitimate to you?
Can I get a serious response to these facts?

 

[LouC]

I thought long and hard in order to come up with any noteworthy Republican contributions to American society during the past 100 years. This is LITERALLY all I could come up with --

1) Nixon creating the EPA in the early 1970s
2) Eisenhower creating the Interstate highway system in the 1950s

I cannot think of anything else.

Thanks! Both are good. Sadly a recent president worked to roll up #1, the EPA, and chuck it in the dust bin.

Same president only played pretense at supporting #2 without any real substantive aid and preservation.

I think #3, at least in my lifetime, might be GW Bush's support and signing of the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007.

 

[Greenbeard]

People didn't change their plans. That implies they wanted to.

People change plans all the time. Such is the nature of markets.

 

[RIP U.S. Democracy]

Give me an example of my "racist quotes"

Saying that the Civil War was about "states rights" is a racist dog whistle.

Any honest, non-racist person would say it was about slavery.

 

[bomberfox]

I thought long and hard in order to come up with any noteworthy Republican contributions to American society during the past 100 years. This is LITERALLY all I could come up with --

1) Nixon creating the EPA in the early 1970s
2) Eisenhower creating the Interstate highway system in the 1950s

I cannot think of anything else.

Eisenhower forcing integration.

 

[Fearandloathing]

I thought long and hard in order to come up with any noteworthy Republican contributions to American society during the past 100 years. This is LITERALLY all I could come up with --

1) Nixon creating the EPA in the early 1970s
2) Eisenhower creating the Interstate highway system in the 1950s

I cannot think of anything else.

...ah Reagan......................................

invaded Grenada.


And won!

As impressed as I have always been with the interstate system (I first rode I-90 in 1958 they were still building it. You had to be there. The world had never seen earth movers! No one imagined a highway 6 football fields wide! The only 4 lane we'd seen was the Queen Elizabeth Autoroute which had tractor lanes!) it kind of fades into 'meh' in the wake of Weapons of Mass Destruction.

 

[NolanVoyd]

It's not obvious at all. Nobody trusts anyone because nobody knows who is friend or for because forces everyone to pretend they are friends. It's an unhealthy solution

Exponentially more of a healthy situation than one in which a gas station can refuse service to somone because of their race

This is painfully obvious stuff.

 

[RIP U.S. Democracy]

Thanks! Both are good. Sadly a recent president worked to roll up #1, the EPA, and chuck it in the dust bin.

Same president only played pretense at supporting #2 without any real substantive aid and preservation.

I think #3, at least in my lifetime, might be GW Bush's support and signing of the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007.

GW Bush also donated billions to fight malaria and AIDS in Africa. He may have donated more than any previous President.

I also forget about that as well.

 

[tonyeveland]

Wow.
Tell me, with specificity,how the constitution was being destroyed and with it state's rights.

As to your last comment, I doubt the millions of slaves in the south would agree with your "freest nation ever" comment. In fact, I wouldn't expect to hear something that stupid outside a Klan rally.

The Constitution gives almost all power to the states.
The federal government now has all the power.
Most of what the federal government does is unconstitutional.


That's right, slaves were not free. Every nation is human history had slavery and they were not free.
America is richer and freer than all of them.

My statement is correct.

Oh, and you're not supposed to call anything stupid.

 

[NolanVoyd]

What does that video have to do with my post?
Can you address it?

Did you watch it?

It contradicts it.

 

[Tigerace117]

Uh …, did you forget your false claim?

Nothing in your Smithsonian article supports your false claim.

No mention, whatsoever, of MLK jr being “fervently renounced as a Russian agent”.

In fact, there’s no mention at all of Americans accusing MLK jr of being a Russian agent.

The reason for the 75% disapproval rating of MLK jr at the time of his death is specifically stated; “Seventy-five percent of Americans disapproved of the civil rights leader as he spoke out against the Vietnam War and economic disparity”.

I’d suggest you try to do better, but we both know the above is an example of your best work.

Yes, both were seen as “proof” of him being a “commie” working for Russia.

Duh.

 

[Cope]

Uhhh...every time the Proud Boys or Oath Keepers or KKK holds a rally, like in Charlottesville. Not that long ago.

Given government support, or demonized?

So? Why does that matter? If a TV show is good, I don't care what color the actors are.

No, but some folks do, clearly or there would be no BET. Or HBU's.

The point is that millions of white people failed to assimilate....but you hold minorities to a higher standard, despite the fact that they have caused much less death and destruction.

I hold everyone, to the same standard. That's called equality.

Who said majority doesn't rule in the U.S.? It does rule. That's the whole point of elections.

Indeed it does, as does the dominant culture.

However, the majority doesn't have the right to trample on the individual rights of the minority. And white people did that to black people for 100 years after the Civil War. It was called Jim Crow, ever heard of it?

No rights are being trampled NOW. What has happened is they want want new rights, different rights, better rights, than others.
Discrimination to fix discrimination, but don't call it discrimination

 

[NolanVoyd]

The last word of what post?
Who blew what?

The one you were responding to.

Sheesh!