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We now have the longest government shutdown in our history.
No one knows what tha president wants. The house has been voting all week went from 5 Republicans voting with Democrats to 12 to actually fund 6 agencies. I know fox news has been saying all week that the people out of work or working without pay are all beurocrat paper pushers and maybe some are like IRS workers but come on air traffic controllers, TSA workers, some border patrol, park rangers, food inspectors those are all things we need.... right?
Is there some arcane Senate rule that allows a majority to bring bills to a vote without the Senate leader?
I'm truly worried about my fellow Americans safety. I'm worried about all the combat veterans that got some stability by working for the federal government now losing that stability and seeing an suicide rate increase.
At this point I don't care what Trump says or does. The house and the Senate have the votes to over ride him.
Do your ****ing job!
https://www.thoughtco.com/the-definition-of-cloture-3367943Cloture Definition: How to Break a Filibuster Using the U.S. Senate Rulebook
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_optionThe nuclear option is a parliamentary procedure that allows the United States Senate to override a rule – specifically the 60-vote rule to close debate – by a simple majority of 51 votes...
We now have the longest government shutdown in our history.
No one knows what tha president wants. The house has been voting all week went from 5 Republicans voting with Democrats to 12 to actually fund 6 agencies. I know fox news has been saying all week that the people out of work or working without pay are all beurocrat paper pushers and maybe some are like IRS workers but come on air traffic controllers, TSA workers, some border patrol, park rangers, food inspectors those are all things we need.... right?
Is there some arcane Senate rule that allows a majority to bring bills to a vote without the Senate leader?
I'm truly worried about my fellow Americans safety. I'm worried about all the combat veterans that got some stability by working for the federal government now losing that stability and seeing an suicide rate increase.
At this point I don't care what Trump says or does. The house and the Senate have the votes to over ride him.
Do your ****ing job!
Yes there is, it is called "Cloture."
Yes there is, it is called "Cloture."
I've posted this before:
https://www.thoughtco.com/the-definition-of-cloture-3367943
You simply need 60 votes. Of course the Republicans have 53 votes to the Dem's 47....
There is also the "Nuclear Option":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_option
However there is an "unwritten agreement" to limit this to Presidential appointments. To use it in this current effort would then allow the use for ANY situation by the minority to overcome what the majority oppose.
A bill has to be brought to the floor for debate/vote before it can be filibustered or before cloture can be invoked. That is not the case here, since McConnell refuses to bring the House bills before the Senate.
This refusal is the same tactic that Harry Reid used so many times during the Obama days. It was quite effective then and it is effective now. The only real difference is that Reid didn't bother to give a reason for not bringing bills before the Senate. McConnell has given his reason.
A bill has to be brought to the floor for debate/vote before it can be filibustered or before cloture can be invoked. That is not the case here, since McConnell refuses to bring the House bills before the Senate.
This refusal is the same tactic that Harry Reid used so many times during the Obama days. It was quite effective then and it is effective now. The only real difference is that Reid didn't bother to give a reason for not bringing bills before the Senate. McConnell has given his reason.
As Mycroft pointed out, the Majority leader of the Senate sets the agenda. He/she can prevent a bill from ever being brought to the floor for debate, and so cloture never comes into play.Yes there is, it is called "Cloture."
I've posted this before:
https://www.thoughtco.com/the-definition-of-cloture-3367943
You simply need 60 votes. Of course the Republicans have 53 votes to the Dem's 47....
There is also the "Nuclear Option":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_option
However there is an "unwritten agreement" to limit this to Presidential appointments. To use it in this current effort would then allow the use for ANY situation by the minority to overcome what the majority oppose.
The mere fact that McConnell is giving reasons for not doing so makes the present Senate more transparent and accountable than during dingy Harry Reid leadership.
:lamoThe mere fact that McConnell is giving reasons for not doing so makes the present Senate more transparent and accountable than during dingy Harry Reid leadership.
Yes there is, it is called "Cloture."
I've posted this before:
https://www.thoughtco.com/the-definition-of-cloture-3367943
You simply need 60 votes. Of course the Republicans have 53 votes to the Dem's 47....
There is also the "Nuclear Option":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_option
However there is an "unwritten agreement" to limit this to Presidential appointments. To use it in this current effort would then allow the use for ANY situation by the minority to overcome what the majority oppose.
Transparent and accountable? The House's legislation easily has the votes for passage in the Senate, it probably has enough votes for a veto override. Which is why McConnell is desperate to keep it off the floor.
:lamo
His "reason" that the president won't sign the bill is a disgraceful cop-out, he's using in order to get of his constitutional duty. The Congress is a co-equal branch of government, which can override a presidents agenda if it so wishes, and is exactly why the founders made that option available to Congress.
Being the president's lackey is not the Leader of the Senate's job, his job is to be effective in making sure Congress serves the people.
Reid refusing to allow a vote on a floor vote was not unprecedented. Other Majority Leaders have done so, but on bills that they knew had nowhere near enought votes to pass, and were thus a waste of time. This the exact opposite of that and is disgracing the Senate.
Yes there is, it is called "Cloture."
I've posted this before:
https://www.thoughtco.com/the-definition-of-cloture-3367943
You simply need 60 votes. Of course the Republicans have 53 votes to the Dem's 47....
There is also the "Nuclear Option":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_option
However there is an "unwritten agreement" to limit this to Presidential appointments. To use it in this current effort would then allow the use for ANY situation by the minority to overcome what the majority oppose.
I do believe that the president is trying to drive the Congress to do their ****ing job.
It's not going your way and you don't like it. Got it. But that happens to everyone. Republicans didn't like it when Reid did it too. :shrug:
The Senate is the problem here.
We now have the longest government shutdown in our history.
No one knows what tha president wants. The house has been voting all week went from 5 Republicans voting with Democrats to 12 to actually fund 6 agencies. I know fox news has been saying all week that the people out of work or working without pay are all beurocrat paper pushers and maybe some are like IRS workers but come on air traffic controllers, TSA workers, some border patrol, park rangers, food inspectors those are all things we need.... right?
Is there some arcane Senate rule that allows a majority to bring bills to a vote without the Senate leader?
I'm truly worried about my fellow Americans safety. I'm worried about all the combat veterans that got some stability by working for the federal government now losing that stability and seeing an suicide rate increase.
At this point I don't care what Trump says or does. The house and the Senate have the votes to over ride him.
Do your ****ing job!
Transparent and accountable? The House's legislation easily has the votes for passage in the Senate, it probably has enough votes for a veto override. Which is why McConnell is desperate to keep it off the floor.
Cloture IMO is not in play at this point. A "Motion to Proceed" would be the means to buck McConnell which is what is required at this point. A Cloture vote might come at some point but that cart is way before the horse. Without a successful "Motion to Proceed" vote, McConnell can stonewall the process. Yes, it would only take a few GOP Senators to vote with a solid Dem block to pass a Motion to Proceed. But even if all the Dems voted as a block it would take 6 Republicans to vote with them to pass a Motion to Proceed. At the point where McConnell knew those 6 votes would go against him he would likely bring the Bill to the floor himself as opposed to suffering the embarrassment of having lost control of his caucus.
Well then I guess this will continue infinitum.
Sad situation for many. I heard on some show or the radio that something like 3 million people were effected by this and the cost to taxpayers by Monday would be over 5billion not including the lawsuits filed.
Oh well guess the wall is more important than actual citizens.
When did Reid shut the government down and block votes on bills to re-open it with majority support?
I don't recall Reid throwing hundreds of thousands out of work, halting food inspections, disrupting air travel, delaying tax refunds, threatening those getting food assistance, and so on. If that's "your way" maybe re-examine your ideology.
Moved goal posts, were talking about preventing legislation from coming to the floor of the Senate for debate, amendment and cloture.
Specifically the Majority Leader. Trump and McConnell are the only ones keeping the shutdown going.
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