Is there a right to healthcare?

[aociswundumho]

You have the right to set up a website to express your opinions, you have the right to own a firearm, so of course you have a right to healthcare.

However there is no right to force other people to pay for your website, or to buy you a gun, or to pay for your healthcare. You have the right to buy healthcare from anyone you choose, but you don't have the right to force other people to pay your bills.

But isn't healthcare different? Am I not morally obligated to pay for other people's healthcare?

I'm morally obligated to pay for my kid's healthcare, and perhaps my wife's as well. I don't think I am morally obligated to pay for my siblings healthcare. I am quite certain that I have no moral obligation to pay for the healthcare of people I don't even know, because no one is morally obligated to provide charity. Even Bernie Sanders agrees with that:

''I don't believe in charities,'' said Mayor Sanders, bringing a shocked silence to a packed hotel banquet room. The Mayor, who is a Socialist, went on to question the ''fundamental concepts on which charities are based'' and contended that government, rather than charity organizations, sho uld take over responsibilit y for social programs.

Notes on People; Some Disunity Along the United Way (Published 1981)

www.nytimes.com

There's no right to charity and there's no moral obligation to provide charity, and that means there's no right to free healthcare.

 

[vegas giants]

You have the right to set up a website to express your opinions, you have the right to own a firearm, so of course you have a right to healthcare.

However there is no right to force other people to pay for your website, or to buy you a gun, or to pay for your healthcare. You have the right to buy healthcare from anyone you choose, but you don't have the right to force other people to pay your bills.

But isn't healthcare different? Am I not morally obligated to pay for other people's healthcare?

I'm morally obligated to pay for my kid's healthcare, and perhaps my wife's as well. I don't think I am morally obligated to pay for my siblings healthcare. I am quite certain that I have no moral obligation to pay for the healthcare of people I don't even know, because no one is morally obligated to provide charity. Even Bernie Sanders agrees with that:



There's no right to charity and there's no moral obligation to provide charity, and that means there's no right to free healthcare.

You are legally required to pay for my kids primary education.

You are legally required to pay for medicaid for others.


We can simply expand that to everyone

 

[Mycroft]

You are legally required to pay for my kids primary education.

You are legally required to pay for medicaid for others.


We can simply expand that to everyone

You know...by passing a law, yes...people can be "legally required" to pay for something for someone else.

But don't conflate that to mean that ANYONE has a right to health care. As the OP said, people have the right to get and pay for their health care. That's it.

 

[vegas giants]

You know...by passing a law, yes...people can be "legally required" to pay for something for someone else.

But don't conflate that to mean that ANYONE has a right to health care. As the OP said, people have the right to get and pay for their health care. That's it.

I dont care about semantics. The supreme court says every child in America has the right to a free and appropriate education.

Its clear precedent

 

[Aunt Antifa]

You have the right to set up a website to express your opinions, you have the right to own a firearm, so of course you have a right to healthcare.

However there is no right to force other people to pay for your website, or to buy you a gun, or to pay for your healthcare. You have the right to buy healthcare from anyone you choose, but you don't have the right to force other people to pay your bills.

But isn't healthcare different? Am I not morally obligated to pay for other people's healthcare?

I'm morally obligated to pay for my kid's healthcare, and perhaps my wife's as well. I don't think I am morally obligated to pay for my siblings healthcare. I am quite certain that I have no moral obligation to pay for the healthcare of people I don't even know, because no one is morally obligated to provide charity. Even Bernie Sanders agrees with that:



There's no right to charity and there's no moral obligation to provide charity, and that means there's no right to free healthcare.

Of course health care is a right. It’s as essential as a common defense. if we cannot protect our populace from disease, then what’s the point of protecting them from bombs.

Feel free to leave our mutually pooled resourced society if this upsets you so much.

 

[iguanaman]

You have the right to set up a website to express your opinions, you have the right to own a firearm, so of course you have a right to healthcare.

However there is no right to force other people to pay for your website, or to buy you a gun, or to pay for your healthcare. You have the right to buy healthcare from anyone you choose, but you don't have the right to force other people to pay your bills.

But isn't healthcare different? Am I not morally obligated to pay for other people's healthcare?

I'm morally obligated to pay for my kid's healthcare, and perhaps my wife's as well. I don't think I am morally obligated to pay for my siblings healthcare. I am quite certain that I have no moral obligation to pay for the healthcare of people I don't even know, because no one is morally obligated to provide charity. Even Bernie Sanders agrees with that:



There's no right to charity and there's no moral obligation to provide charity, and that means there's no right to free healthcare.

You are legally obligated to pay for Medicare if you make a salary. That money is used to treat sick people. Your "morals" are not a factor. We do not care a wit about what you believe. Most every nation has different morals than you about treating the sick. They are smart enough to know that a healthy nation is a strong nation.

 

[Bassman]

So, according to the Constitutionally deficient brain dead Left, I am required to fork over 85% of my paycheck to fund some crackhead whore's methodone treatment.

 

[Mycroft]

I dont care about semantics. The supreme court says every child in America has the right to a free and appropriate education.

Its clear precedent

Actually, the education issue is in the Constitution.

I dont care about semantics. The supreme court says every child in America has the right to a free and appropriate education.

Its clear precedent

Let me know when the Supremes make a similar ruling that applies to health care.

 

[vegas giants]

Actually, the education issue is in the Constitution.

Let me know when the Supremes make a similar ruling that applies to health care.

No need. Make the law....then you can challenge it

 

[iguanaman]

So, according to the Constitutionally deficient brain dead Left, I am required to fork over 85% of my paycheck to fund some crackhead whore's methodone treatment.

It a free country, there is always the door. Don't let it hit you on the way out. No one said America is for everyone.

 

[vegas giants]

So, according to the Constitutionally deficient brain dead Left, I am required to fork over 85% of my paycheck to fund some crackhead whore's methodone treatment.

Remember what jesus said

Hey get that whore out of here


HAHAHAHAHA

 

[lurchadams]

You have the right to set up a website to express your opinions, you have the right to own a firearm, so of course you have a right to healthcare.

However there is no right to force other people to pay for your website, or to buy you a gun, or to pay for your healthcare. You have the right to buy healthcare from anyone you choose, but you don't have the right to force other people to pay your bills.

But isn't healthcare different? Am I not morally obligated to pay for other people's healthcare?

I'm morally obligated to pay for my kid's healthcare, and perhaps my wife's as well. I don't think I am morally obligated to pay for my siblings healthcare. I am quite certain that I have no moral obligation to pay for the healthcare of people I don't even know, because no one is morally obligated to provide charity. Even Bernie Sanders agrees with that:



There's no right to charity and there's no moral obligation to provide charity, and that means there's no right to free healthcare.

The difference between conservatives and liberals:

Conservatives: "I've got mine, we wish you the best, but you're on your own".

Liberals: It's in everyone's interest to make sure all have adequate and affordable access to healthcare - doing so keeps catastrophic costs down, and ensures the entire community is healthy, like when there's a pandemic killing hundreds of thousands of Americans, for example".

Right wing nuts' priorities suck!

 

[lurchadams]

So, according to the Constitutionally deficient brain dead Left, I am required to fork over 85% of my paycheck to fund some crackhead whore's methodone treatment.

You mean the one in the white house?

No, we actually pay 100% of trump's health coverage.

 

[Manc Skipper]

Virtually ever developed nation but one caters for it's citizens heath needs.

 

[Surrealistik]

You have the right to set up a website to express your opinions, you have the right to own a firearm, so of course you have a right to healthcare.

However there is no right to force other people to pay for your website, or to buy you a gun, or to pay for your healthcare. You have the right to buy healthcare from anyone you choose, but you don't have the right to force other people to pay your bills.

But isn't healthcare different? Am I not morally obligated to pay for other people's healthcare?

I'm morally obligated to pay for my kid's healthcare, and perhaps my wife's as well. I don't think I am morally obligated to pay for my siblings healthcare. I am quite certain that I have no moral obligation to pay for the healthcare of people I don't even know, because no one is morally obligated to provide charity. Even Bernie Sanders agrees with that:



There's no right to charity and there's no moral obligation to provide charity, and that means there's no right to free healthcare.

Am I morally obligated to pay for the right's wars, coups, bombings, bloated military spending and excessive support of Israel?

 

[aociswundumho]

Am I morally obligated to pay for the right's wars, coups, bombings, bloated military spending and excessive support of Israel?

No.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

So, according to the Constitutionally deficient brain dead Left, I am required to fork over 85% of my paycheck to fund some crackhead whore's methodone treatment.

The constitution doesn’t set tax rates. And I don’t think anyone has proposed 85%.

But hey, not too shabby for a first pass there, pally!

 

[aociswundumho]

Conservatives: "I've got mine, we wish you the best, but you're on your own".

That's the view of someone who doesn't believe in charity - someone like Bernie Sanders.

 

[OrphanSlug]

No, there is no right to healthcare in the same constitutional context as the right to free speech.

However, if you pro-birth righties ever graduated to actually being pro-life we might see more ideological agreement in that healthcare should be a right as it would be for the betterment of society.

But hell no, we are stuck with the right wing ideology these days which can be summed up with "Well, I have my healthcare insurance covered... so I could not care any less about someone else... but hey, I stood for you being born... that should be enough to get into heaven."

 

[Mycroft]

No need. Make the law....then you can challenge it

Good luck making the law.

 

[vegas giants]

Good luck making the law.

The ACA was a great start.

UHC is inevitable

 

[Ginger Ale]

You have the right to set up a website to express your opinions, you have the right to own a firearm, so of course you have a right to healthcare.

However there is no right to force other people to pay for your website, or to buy you a gun, or to pay for your healthcare. You have the right to buy healthcare from anyone you choose, but you don't have the right to force other people to pay your bills.

But isn't healthcare different? Am I not morally obligated to pay for other people's healthcare?

I'm morally obligated to pay for my kid's healthcare, and perhaps my wife's as well. I don't think I am morally obligated to pay for my siblings healthcare. I am quite certain that I have no moral obligation to pay for the healthcare of people I don't even know, because no one is morally obligated to provide charity. Even Bernie Sanders agrees with that:



There's no right to charity and there's no moral obligation to provide charity, and that means there's no right to free healthcare.

Our healthcare in America is FOR PROFIT. So, we aren't just paying for healthcare, we are paying profits and middlemen. I think every person has a right to nonprofit healthcare which would take the cost down quite a bit.
The "for all" part just gives you a much lower price because you're essentially buying in bulk. Itś a financial win.

America has simply got locked into a terrible deal with for-profit care and jobs surrounding this industry so it is now really hard to switch it to something that would actually benefit American citizens.

I am not sure why you make it into a welfare conflict, it's not. Itś just a bad decision we are still living with. We are so locked in now itś almost impossible to get rid of it.

The question should be, how long do Americans want to get ripped off and pay for overpriced care that's no better and sometimes worse in America?

 

[Bassman]

Our healthcare in America is FOR PROFIT. So, we aren't just paying for healthcare, we are paying profits and middlemen. I think every person has a right to nonprofit healthcare which would take the cost down quite a bit.
The "for all" part just gives you a much lower price because you're essentially buying in bulk. Itś a financial win.

America has simply got locked into a terrible deal with for-profit care and jobs surrounding this industry so it is now really hard to switch it to something that would actually benefit American citizens.

I am not sure why you make it into a welfare conflict, it's not. Itś just a bad decision we are still living with. We are so locked in now itś almost impossible to get rid of it.

The question should be, how long do Americans want to get ripped off and pay for overpriced care that's no better and sometimes worse in America?

Actually, it's far better than the eurotrash socialized medicine that you are so touting. Plus with government run medicine? Say goodbye to new research. and innovations. Say hello to long lines and mediocre at best "healthcare" oh, and I am quite sure the best doctors won't want to work for a pittance in GP. Specialists are where the real $$$ is at.

 

[Bassman]

Virtually ever developed nation but one caters for it's citizens heath needs.

Nobody has a right to another person's money! I take it you didn't listen to Maggie Thatcher.

 

[AConcernedCitizen]

You have the right to set up a website to express your opinions, you have the right to own a firearm, so of course you have a right to healthcare.

However there is no right to force other people to pay for your website, or to buy you a gun, or to pay for your healthcare. You have the right to buy healthcare from anyone you choose, but you don't have the right to force other people to pay your bills.

But isn't healthcare different? Am I not morally obligated to pay for other people's healthcare?

I'm morally obligated to pay for my kid's healthcare, and perhaps my wife's as well. I don't think I am morally obligated to pay for my siblings healthcare. I am quite certain that I have no moral obligation to pay for the healthcare of people I don't even know, because no one is morally obligated to provide charity. Even Bernie Sanders agrees with that:



There's no right to charity and there's no moral obligation to provide charity, and that means there's no right to free healthcare.

As you have mentioned, we have the right to buy Healthcare. And as an organization, we have the right to buy Healthcare with the funds collected from our membership dues, and to distribute the Healthcare we purchase among our members.

This allows us to purchase with an advantageous economy of scale.