Is there a right to healthcare?

[Manc Skipper]

Nobody has a right to another person's money! I take it you didn't listen to Maggie Thatcher.

Bullshit. Who takes peoples money to pay for street lights?
Thatcher began the process of giving taxpayers money to private contractors instead of directly employed staff, who had to compete for their own jobs with inferior wages and benefits and staffing levels.

 

[aociswundumho]

As you have mentioned, we have the right to buy Healthcare. And as an organization, we have the right to buy Healthcare with the funds collected from our membership dues, and to distribute the Healthcare we purchase among our members.

Membership dues are voluntary, coercive taxation is not. If your ideas regarding collective healthcare were truly beneficial to people, you wouldn't need criminal laws forcing everyone to participate.

 

[Serenity]

I side with Article 25 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Yes, Healthcare should be a right.

That being said, the real debate is how you then accomplish the goal for all to have access to health care in an affordable, timely and sustainable way.

 

[Bassman]

Bullshit. Who takes peoples money to pay for street lights?
Thatcher began the process of giving taxpayers money to private contractors instead of directly employed staff, who had to compete for their own jobs with inferior wages and benefits and staffing levels.

Ahh yes. keep government loafers on the taxpayer dole with overly inflated wages. Sorry, but government jobs are devoid of reality.

 

[Bassman]

I side with Article 25 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Yes, Healthcare should be a right.

That being said, the real debate is how you then accomplish the goal for all to have access to health care in an affordable, timely and sustainable way.

That bullshit has zero bearing on the United States. We are (or should be) governed solely under the Constitution of the United States. that means healthcare remains what it should be-a service!

 

[lurchadams]

That's the view of someone who doesn't believe in charity - someone like Bernie Sanders.

trump believes in charity - his own - that's why the state shut the "trump foundation down". And you're supporting this monster. How sad for you!

 

[Bullseye]

The difference between conservatives and liberals:

Conservatives: "I've got mine, we wish you the best, but you're on your own".

Liberals: It's in everyone's interest to make sure all have adequate and affordable access to healthcare - doing so keeps catastrophic costs down, and ensures the entire community is healthy, like when there's a pandemic killing hundreds of thousands of Americans, for example".

Right wing nuts' priorities suck!

Total bullshit.

 

[lurchadams]

Total bullshit.

I know! I sure wish right wing nut's priorities morals weren't so screwed up! I absolutely agree, they're total bullshit!

 

[AConcernedCitizen]

Membership dues are voluntary, coercive taxation is not. If your ideas regarding collective healthcare were truly beneficial to people, you wouldn't need criminal laws forcing everyone to participate.

If you no longer wish to be a member, you are free to expatriate.

 

[Serenity]

That bullshit has zero bearing on the United States. We are (or should be) governed solely under the Constitution of the United States. that means healthcare remains what it should be-a service!

You asked for an opinion, you got it. Too bad if you don't like it.

Fortunately, I am not an American, nor am I surrounded by extreme partisans who don't give a shit about others.

 

[Bullseye]

I know! I sure wish right wing nut's priorities morals weren't so screwed up! I absolutely agree, they're total bullshit!

Nice try - if you were in the fourth grade.

Oh, wait . . .

 

[Bassman]

You asked for an opinion, you got it. Too bad if you don't like it.

Fortunately, I am not an American, nor am I surrounded by extreme partisans who don't give a shit about others.

Thank God for that. the UN is basically a worthless pile of shit.

 

[Parrish]

Of course health care is a right. It’s as essential as a common defense. if we cannot protect our populace from disease, then what’s the point of protecting them from bombs.

Feel free to leave our mutually pooled resourced society if this upsets you so much.

By Daniel Taylor

Health care reform is a hot topic today, as it has been for much of America’s history. Benjamin Rush, one of the signers of the Declaration of Independence, warned in 1787 that medical freedom needed to be included in the American Constitution. Without this protection, Rush warned that the medical establishment would naturally progress – as many of mankind’s institutions do – into an oppressive dictatorship. His words, echoing from over 200 years ago, ring strikingly true today:


“Unless we put medical freedom into the Constitution, the time will come
when medicine will organize into an undercover dictatorship to restrict
the art of healing to one class of Men and deny equal privileges to
others; the Constitution of the Republic should make a Special
privilege for medical freedoms as well as religious freedom.” Benjamin Rush.

 

[dex4974]

We could make it so. You know, if we really wanted to.

 

[lurchadams]

Nice try - if you were in the fourth grade.

Oh, wait . . .

I've told y'all several times - quit calling me a 4th grader! I'll have you know I read at a 5th grade level.

And, again, the modern right has lost their way and are mired in a maze of avarice, hatred, paranoia and evil. So sad

 

[Bassman]

We could make it so. You know, if we really wanted to.

Sorry, but we don't want YOUR brand of Soviet style assembly line healtcare.

 

[Bullseye]

I've told y'all several times - quit calling me a 4th grader! I'll have you know I read at a 5th grade level.

And, again, the modern right has lost their way and are mired in a maze of avarice, hatred, paranoia and evil. So sad

Yeah, but given the quality of public education 5th grade is the new 4th grade.

 

[AConcernedCitizen]

That bullshit has zero bearing on the United States. We are (or should be) governed solely under the Constitution of the United States. that means healthcare remains what it should be-a service!

"The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States" -Article I, Section 8, Clause 1

 

[Serenity]

Thank God for that. the UN is basically a worthless pile of shit.

I know it's not a popular view with many Americans who think like you and have no humanity, but I support a health care system that functions on needs alone. Who needs it the most gets it first. Irrespective of ethically irrelevant factors such as capacity to pay, social status, whether or not someone is considered "worthy" by others, race, religion, gender, marital status, etc. Treatment should be available and offered on a needs alone basis to patients who need it the most first.

That's how civilized societies should treat other human beings.

I hope that your medical professionals, trusted with looking after you if ever the need arises, feels the same way too.

 

[Bassman]

"The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States" -Article I, Section 8, Clause 1

It does not mean womb to tomb socialism.

 

[Bassman]

I know it's not a popular view with many Americans who think like you and have no humanity, but I support a health care system that functions on needs alone. Who needs it the most gets it first. Irrespective of ethically irrelevant factors such as capacity to pay, social status, whether or not someone is considered "worthy" by others, race, religion, gender, marital status, etc. Treatment should be available and offered on a needs alone basis to patients who need it the most first.

That's how civilized societies should treat other human beings.

I hope that your medical professionals, trusted with looking after you if ever the need arises, feels the same way too.

It does not matter what your pie-in-the-sky imagination is. Healthcare is meant to be a service. We pay doctors to address our medical issues the same way we pay electricians to address our electrical issues, plumbers plumbing. Why the hell should this be any different?

 

[aociswundumho]

By Daniel Taylor

Health care reform is a hot topic today, as it has been for much of America’s history. Benjamin Rush, one of the signers of the Declaration of Independence, warned in 1787 that medical freedom needed to be included in the American Constitution. Without this protection, Rush warned that the medical establishment would naturally progress – as many of mankind’s institutions do – into an oppressive dictatorship. His words, echoing from over 200 years ago, ring strikingly true today:


“Unless we put medical freedom into the Constitution, the time will come
when medicine will organize into an undercover dictatorship to restrict
the art of healing to one class of Men and deny equal privileges to
others; the Constitution of the Republic should make a Special
privilege for medical freedoms as well as religious freedom.” Benjamin Rush.

Unfortunately, that quote is bogus.

Benjamin Rush - Wikiquote

en.wikiquote.org

Scroll down to the bottom.

and

The following bogus quotation attributed to Benjamin Rush is a recent example of foolishness masquerading as fact and mistaken for it. This is, we are told, what Rush said about the relations between medicine and the state:

Unless we put medical freedoms into the Constitution, the time will come when medicine will organize into an undercover dictatorship [. . .] To restrict the art of healing to one class of men and deny equal privileges to others will constitute the Bastille of medical science. All such laws are unAmerican and despotic and have no place in a republic [. . .] The Constitution of this republic should make special privilege for medical freedom as well as religious freedom. (Grinspoon, 2003: 63; Lord,1 1994)​

This bogus quotation – without a scintilla of evidence to support it, and with a plethora of evidence against it – has become a ‘fact.’ A search of the World Wide Web (Internet) with the search engine Google reveals dozens of entries to it. But not a single author supplies a verifiable source for it. Hence, I believe this false attribution, depicting Rush as a medical libertarian, needs to be exposed as bogus.

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.999.4430&rep=rep1&type=pdf

 

[Parrish]

Unfortunately, that quote is bogus.

Benjamin Rush - Wikiquote

en.wikiquote.org

Scroll down to the bottom.

and

You're wrong.

 

[Serenity]

It does not matter what your pie-in-the-sky imagination is. Healthcare is meant to be a service. We pay doctors to address our medical issues the same way we pay electricians to address our electrical issues, plumbers plumbing. Why the hell should this be any different?

Comparing peoples medical situations to household plumbing issues? Like a washing machine is as valuable as another human life?

Oh my.

It's pointless talking to someone as extreme as you on this issue.

 

[AConcernedCitizen]

It does not mean womb to tomb socialism.

So your argument is that healthcare does not pertain to the general welfare of the US? Perhaps you are having trouble coming up with any examples of health issues that pose a threat to American lives?