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Is the Tomahawk Chop chant racist? (1 Viewer)

Is the Tomahawk Chop chant at sporting events racist?

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Despite the fact tomahawk chops look identical to the first down signal at football games, where no toy tomahawks are sold for fans to hold while doing it, for some reason, people disagree on whether the wordless chant, the accompanying, drum beats, and chopping motion together is racist. To my knowledge nobody has ever tried to make Kansas City Chiefs, Florida State Seminoles, and Atlanta Braves fans stop doing it. However, that does not stop many baseball and football fans from calling it racist. Do you agree?
 
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It's not being done to honor fierce but defeated adversaries, is it?
 
Yes it is racist, racist to ask about it, racist that we can pick white type on black background, it is all racial today!!!!!
 
It's likely not racially motivated on the part the vast majority of the people that use it at games, but yeah, it's absolutely got some racist connotations. I don't see how you'd stop people from doing it, though, especially in a stadium setting, where nobody listens because they are half-drunk already.

Reminds me of this funny Bill Burr clip:

 
Patriotic Voter said:
Despite the fact tomahawk chops look identical to the first down signal at football games, where no toy tomahawks are sold for fans to hold while doing it, for some reason, people disagree on whether the wordless chant, the accompanying, drum beats, and chopping motion together is racist. To my knowledge nobody has ever tried to make Kansas City Chiefs, Florida State Seminoles, and Atlanta Braves fans stop doing it. However, that does not stop many baseball and football fans from calling it racist. Do you agree?
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I've never seen an official indicate first downs with a continuing chop.
 
reinaert said:
It's not being done to honor fierce but defeated adversaries, is it?
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It is only done as their way to cheer during games. I highly doubt any fans even think about honoring specific people.
 
Patriotic Voter said:
Despite the fact tomahawk chops look identical to the first down signal at football games, where no toy tomahawks are sold for fans to hold while doing it, for some reason, people disagree on whether the wordless chant, the accompanying, drum beats, and chopping motion together is racist. To my knowledge nobody has ever tried to make Kansas City Chiefs, Florida State Seminoles, and Atlanta Braves fans stop doing it. However, that does not stop many baseball and football fans from calling it racist. Do you agree?
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Might be, I'll ask my in-laws. My Metis wife doesn't know or care about it. She had an opinion about the name Redskins and the Chief Wahoo emblem though.
 
Patriotic Voter said:
It is only done as their way to cheer during games. I highly doubt any fans even think about honoring specific people.
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It's probably super problematic that aircav killing machines are named after unconquerable peoples who gave horse cavalry so much trouble, but it does honor the fierceness of the adversary.

This? Not so much.
 
mrjurrs said:
I've never seen an official indicate first downs with a continuing chop.
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Game officials don't continue doing it after one play, but the limb motion and position are exactly the same.
 
Grand Mal said:
Might be, I'll ask my in-laws. My Metis wife doesn't know or care about it. She had an opinion about the name Redskins and the Chief Wahoo emblem though.
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Or just do it like the Chicago Blackhawks do.
 
reinaert said:
Or just do it like the Chicago Blackhawks do.
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What do they do?
All I know is that as a Vancouver Canucks fan I learned to hate Chelsea Dagger in the playoffs.
 
Grand Mal said:
Might be, I'll ask my in-laws. My Metis wife doesn't know or care about it. She had an opinion about the name Redskins and the Chief Wahoo emblem though.
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Almost everyone agreed on those two. Just the way a team's fans cheer at home games is more controversial.
 
Grand Mal said:
What do they do?
All I know is that as a Vancouver Canucks fan I learned to hate Chelsea Dagger in the playoffs.
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As a recovering Bruinzfan, I can only be ashamed of the Boston hockey fanbase.
 
mrjurrs said:
Then it's not the same is it. Do you consider the white power and the okay gesture to be the same?
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It is exactly the same in every way, How many times the referee makes that arm motion does not make it any different.
 
Is something racist because it uses something from another culture?
If so is the Gjallarhorn at Viking Stadium racist?

Where is the line drawn ?
 

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Patriotic Voter said:
Despite the fact tomahawk chops look identical to the first down signal at football games, where no toy tomahawks are sold for fans to hold while doing it, for some reason, people disagree on whether the wordless chant, the accompanying, drum beats, and chopping motion together is racist. To my knowledge nobody has ever tried to make Kansas City Chiefs, Florida State Seminoles, and Atlanta Braves fans stop doing it. However, that does not stop many baseball and football fans from calling it racist. Do you agree?
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Yes.

It perpetuates the false narrative that Indigenous "Indians" are violent.

The tomahawk was created to split buffalo bone and was doubtfully used as a weapon in the so called "Indian wars". They did not have a sharp blade.

But hey, don't let truth get in the way of your racism.

It wasn't Indians who massacred women and children, it was guys like General George Custer who was too stupid to realize 1,200 horses meant the tribe had overnight visitors. He attacked without warning killing women and children and got his men killed. And America makes HIM the ****ing hero and continues the myth openly at sporting events.

Racism isn't systemic in America, America IS racist.
 
I’ve been wondering when this would become an issue.
longview said:
Is something racist because it uses something from another culture?
If so is the Gjallarhorn at Viking Stadium racist?

Where is the line drawn ?
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Aren’t the Vikings light skinned?
 
longview said:
Is something racist because it uses something from another culture?
If so is the Gjallarhorn at Viking Stadium racist?

Where is the line drawn ?
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I'd ask the people involved. My Scots ancestry means I can be pissed off at the KKK burning a cross or white supremacists hijacking the Celtic cross but it's up to Native people to decide on stuff like this.
 
Patriotic Voter said:
It is exactly the same in every way, How many times the referee makes that arm motion does not make it any different.
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It is exactly the same except for the things that make it different. Got it.
I assume the officials are only doing the verbal part once right?
 
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