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Is the POTUS to blame?

Reasonable time frame for shutdown.

  • 15 days

    Votes: 2 9.1%
  • 1 month

    Votes: 7 31.8%
  • 2 months

    Votes: 2 9.1%
  • 3 months

    Votes: 1 4.5%
  • Whatever it takes

    Votes: 10 45.5%

  • Total voters
    22
  • Poll closed .
China was not 'shut down', travel from China was. Not only was it too little, too late, but it was irrelevant and utterly cosmetic, like all things twump, since infected were already coming in from elswhere.

Good luck with your hothouse fantasies about socialism!

That's not what Fauci is saying.
 
Every buck stops with trump and the gop senate. **** every last one of them. republikkkoward senators screaming on the senate floor right now are the biggest phonies in this Nation. They let corporate lobbyists bait and switch the current bill late Saturday night.

Right, Trump responsible for stock buybacks. LOL

Yea, let’s only help the workers, screw the companies where the workers are employed. Who cares if the companies go out of business and there is no job the workers can go back to following the virus.
 
The problem is that the administration is constantly making the subtle argument that mass death (highly taken by people with disabilities and the elderly) is an acceptable consequence of keeping the DOW high (even then, greatly underestimating how decimated the economy and our lives will be if we "go back to work").
 
Wrong it was the right move. The problem was that China chose to spread the disease worldwide instead of doing the. The liberal open border policy world wide made any hope of containing the virus impossible. Once the virus had spread across the world shutting down borders become too little too late.

It was meaningless, given that the horse was already out of the barn, so to speak.
 
Right, Trump responsible for stock buybacks. LOL

Yea, let’s only help the workers, screw the companies where the workers are employed. Who cares if the companies go out of business and there is no job the workers can go back to following the virus.

Large Companies can fire employees, take away their health care, buy back their stock, and give CEOs huge increases in pay with this trump/corporate whore/mcconnell bill;

This is the same thing corrupt gops did with the 2017 windfall tax cut for corporate whores; with the corporate bailouts in 2008; with every windfall tax cut since the days of Reagan.

It was former Majority Leader Dole and Sen. Simpson who said that the first windfall tax cut in 1983 was the greatest mistake of their careers; but not until they retired.
 
Will Trump be held responsible for making the situation worse or better this Nov?

Trump was slow to react to the coronavirus at first but now he's got on board with shutting down businesses and recommending social distancing. If he calls off the business shut down in 15 days and the death toll spikes with hospitals overwhelmed, does he get the blame? Is there is a sensible and compassionate compromise or should we bite the bullet and stay shut down for months?


Trump Says Coronavirus Cure Cannot ‘Be Worse Than the Problem Itself’

"WE CANNOT LET THE CURE BE WORSE THAN THE PROBLEM ITSELF," Mr. Trump tweeted in all capital letters shortly before midnight. "AT THE END OF THE 15 DAY PERIOD, WE WILL MAKE A DECISION AS TO WHICH WAY WE WANT TO GO!"

Officials have said that the initial 15-day period for social distancing - limiting close contact between people by banning gatherings, closing schools and offices, encouraging remote work and urging people to maintain a six-foot distance from one another - is vital to slowing the spread of the virus, for which more than 30,000 people in the United States have tested positive. The 15-day period would end Monday.

Dr. Anthony Fauci, an infectious diseases expert and a member of the White House coronavirus task force, has said in interviews that he believed that it would take several more weeks until people can start going about their lives in a more normal fashion. Other infectious disease experts suggest even harsher measures than social distancing are required to truly beat back the outbreaks in the United States.

But at the White House, in recent days, there has been a growing sentiment that medical experts were allowed to set policy that has hurt the economy, and there has been a push to find ways to let people start returning to work. Some Republican lawmakers have also pleaded with the White House to find ways to restart the economy, as financial markets continue to slide and job losses for April could be in the millions.

How long could you sustain your household if you were to stop earning income? If you are like most Americans, the answer is not for long. Only 40 percent of Americans can afford an unexpected $1,000 expense with their savings. In fact, nearly 80 percent of workers are living paycheck to paycheck. It is no surprise that the probability of an economic recession brought on by the coronavirus pandemic caused many to worry.

For a virus which has infected 30,000 people but killed only a handful it does seem to be a bit much to panic over.
 
I think the President is doing well and most Americans think the same. People think that the President was slow to respond and perhaps isn't doing enough. There is a fine line between the government stepping in and helping and the government nationalizing everything and creating a socialist society. He is being smart with how he is dealing with this by striking a balance between limiting the socialist agenda and being supportive of state governments when it is needed. I think we are going to know much more once this 15 day social distancing period is over. We may need to shutdown more or maybe relax restrictions.

I would like the Democrats to stop with their goal of permanent socialist fixes and realize that a temporary fix is what is important now.

I'd like to see the Republicans have more restrictions on how big companies use whatever bail outs they get.

Providing ventilators to hospitals to save lives is bad because its socialism.
Paying Trump's ailing hospitality interests is good because its capitalism.

Its all so simple.
 
Wrong it was the right move. The problem was that China chose to spread the disease worldwide instead of doing the. The liberal open border policy world wide made any hope of containing the virus impossible. Once the virus had spread across the world shutting down borders become too little too late.

Sooo who is responsible for "too little too late?" The conman fishing for a bailout.
 
Trump is to blame for the severity of the crisis. From receding from world leadership, to dismantling the State Department, to distancing us from our allies, to disbanding the pandemic response team, to ignoring cd19 when it first popped up, to suppressing testing to keep the DOW high, to overriding the CDC's advice multiple times, to lying to the American people about the seriousness of the problem and literally everything else, yes, Trump is to blame.

And if any of the above doesn't make sense to you, well that was the point, wasn't it? You didn't want to understand how anything worked. You believed that nothing mattered, nothing was important, that the office of the Presidency existed solely as a tool for mocking the people you hate. And this is what you get.
 
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It speaks volumes of the country as a divided partisan ****hole when we so desperately look to try and blame someone in the middle of a ****ing pandemic health crisis. No one started this mess. Even in China, there is no evidence that the virus was intentionally caused.

We have countries entirely devastated. In the US most people are literally doing the best they can. Governors are working hard. The administration is working hard. Even congress with competing ideologies is working hard.

And people are sick. People are going to get sick. MORE will get sick. Until there is a vaccine and a tested and proven treatment this is going to be a real sonofabitch. So were all the other devastating viral outbreaks. It’s such a shame people are so invested in using this to score political points and make it worse.


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Do you propose that Democrats just let this be a one-sided blame fest coming from the republicans? Why do you think trump is willing to kill more Americans by not instituting the DPA?
 
I think what is going to happen is that after we reach the peak there will be a certain point where people go back to work knowing there is risk involved. We will have a better idea of where the virus hot spots are and isolate these places. Eventually there will be vaccines and things will slowly get back to a new normal. The world can't shut down until this is over. You will have to take on risk if you want to enter back into society.

Interesting post. I agree with you that the world can't shut down until this is over, that there will be risk involved whatever we do. Yes there will eventually be vaccines and yes I agree we will get back to a "new" normal. That's an interesting way of putting it, and it's true. Our lives will never be the same...hopefully we will get better and better and reach a new normal. People need to work. People need to go outside and get sunshine. Our health depends on it. We can't allow our economy to tank because everyone is in FEAR of what MIGHT happen.

We do have to take on risk, there is no other way.
 
Trump is to blame for the severity of the crisis. From receding from world leadership, to dismantling the State Department, to distancing us from our allies, to disbanding the pandemic response team, to ignoring cd19 when it first popped up, to suppressing testing to keep the DOW high, to overriding the CDC's advise multiple times, to lying to the American people about the seriousness of the problem and literally everything else, yes, Trump is to blame.

And if any of the above doesn't make sense to you, well that was the point, wasn't it? You didn't want to understand how anything worked. You believed that nothing mattered, nothing was important, that the office of the Presidency existed solely as a tool for mocking the people you hate. And this is what you get.

Don't forget the huge tax cuts that gave us a record deficit as a starting point.

After taking credit for the longest economic expansion in history, which began years before his term, he is now responsible for nothing.
 
For a virus which has infected 30,000 people but killed only a handful it does seem to be a bit much to panic over.

511 deaths so far is not a handful, marke, and it continues to increase every minute. Your 30,000 number has now reached 42,000 for infected.

Why are you minimizing these numbers? Have you listened to trump’s cabinet members today? Was the stock market loss today ‘minimal’?
 
Don't forget the huge tax cuts that gave us a record deficit as a starting point.

After taking credit for the longest economic expansion in history, which began years before his term, he is now responsible for nothing.

From "President How's Your 401k Doing?" to "President It's Not My Fault."
 
From "President How's Your 401k Doing?" to "President It's Not My Fault."

To “I don’t care if you die”


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To “I don’t care if you die”


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I just realized this is a thing. Where did that start?
 
Wrong it was the right move. The problem was that China chose to spread the disease worldwide instead of doing the. The liberal open border policy world wide made any hope of containing the virus impossible. Once the virus had spread across the world shutting down borders become too little too late.

Can you post a copy of the "liberal open border" policy. Haven't seen it, despite working with immigrants and asylum seekers for any years. Some time ago, the Wall Street Journal suggested open borders, in line with their position that capital should cross a borders freely. But they are conservative. Go figure.
 
I don't think it makes any sense to play the blame game at this point. We have to deal with reality, effectively. Come November we'll see if Trump gets the blame for being a rotten President or if people think differently.

Right now, people have to stop panicking. I can't even go buy a bag of toilet paper at Wal Mart anymore, or kleenex or paper towels. Or buy canned goods to keep on hand like I always do. Come on. Nobody needs to hoard. We're all in this together. No fear, no panic, just be cautious and take your share and let others have their share of essentials.

This thing will blow over eventually and like someone on another thread said, we'll get back to a "new" normal. And it will be better. We just have to get a hold of our fear and look out for our fellow citizens. That's what I think.
 
It was meaningless, given that the horse was already out of the barn, so to speak.

The only reason the horse so easily got out is the doors were wide open and there was no concern about ever being able to close it. China instead of taking their doctors advice at the onset and making an attempt to contain this pandemic decided to hide the truth and even force them to lie allowing the spread. Trump initiated a travel ban from China just as he should. It was ineffective thanks to the poor leadership of the country it started in. Once it had spread to the rest of the world any ban was useless as we have seen. Trump at that point tried to stop panic and fear with little or no help from political rivals spreading nothing but hate.
 
Sooo who is responsible for "too little too late?" The conman fishing for a bailout.

You have to blame where it belongs and that would be the Chinese government first and foremost. They not only did not try and stop the spread initially in their own country but let it spread world wide by lying to the world. Pandemics need to be stopped immediately. Once they have spread far and wide it is too late for containment by any leader. The only real line of defense right now is up to the people to act responsibly. That will not happen when our leaders are more interest in political hate than the welfare of the people. Our media is throwing gasoline on the fire rather than trying put it out. Of course the bigger the fire the more money they make.
 
Will Trump be held responsible for making the situation worse or better this Nov?

Trump was slow to react to the coronavirus at first but now he's got on board with shutting down businesses and recommending social distancing. If he calls off the business shut down in 15 days and the death toll spikes with hospitals overwhelmed, does he get the blame? Is there is a sensible and compassionate compromise or should we bite the bullet and stay shut down for months?


Trump Says Coronavirus Cure Cannot ‘Be Worse Than the Problem Itself’

"WE CANNOT LET THE CURE BE WORSE THAN THE PROBLEM ITSELF," Mr. Trump tweeted in all capital letters shortly before midnight. "AT THE END OF THE 15 DAY PERIOD, WE WILL MAKE A DECISION AS TO WHICH WAY WE WANT TO GO!"

Officials have said that the initial 15-day period for social distancing - limiting close contact between people by banning gatherings, closing schools and offices, encouraging remote work and urging people to maintain a six-foot distance from one another - is vital to slowing the spread of the virus, for which more than 30,000 people in the United States have tested positive. The 15-day period would end Monday.

Dr. Anthony Fauci, an infectious diseases expert and a member of the White House coronavirus task force, has said in interviews that he believed that it would take several more weeks until people can start going about their lives in a more normal fashion. Other infectious disease experts suggest even harsher measures than social distancing are required to truly beat back the outbreaks in the United States.

But at the White House, in recent days, there has been a growing sentiment that medical experts were allowed to set policy that has hurt the economy, and there has been a push to find ways to let people start returning to work. Some Republican lawmakers have also pleaded with the White House to find ways to restart the economy, as financial markets continue to slide and job losses for April could be in the millions.

How long could you sustain your household if you were to stop earning income? If you are like most Americans, the answer is not for long. Only 40 percent of Americans can afford an unexpected $1,000 expense with their savings. In fact, nearly 80 percent of workers are living paycheck to paycheck. It is no surprise that the probability of an economic recession brought on by the coronavirus pandemic caused many to worry.

Come election time we will be recovering from this. My prediction is that either Trump won't be held accountable for anything connected with the Coronavirus (including the economy) or the virus will actually help him get re-elected.
 
Can you post a copy of the "liberal open border" policy. Haven't seen it, despite working with immigrants and asylum seekers for any years. Some time ago, the Wall Street Journal suggested open borders, in line with their position that capital should cross a borders freely. But they are conservative. Go figure.

They have been fighting Trumps every effort to secure our borders and enforce our laws. If you have no knowledge of that then there is nothing I can do to help you see if you refuse to open your eyes.
 
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