Is the Murder of Sir David Amess yet another blow to the ideal of Multiculturalism in Europe?

[EMNofSeattle]

Your victim complex is showing.



Who says immigrants hate German culture?

I’m sure they love the cultural aspect of Germans giving them welfare worth far more then honest wages in their home country.

And what do we know, more leftist gaslighting. Point out their ideology that they make no secret of “you must be crazy”
The leftists here are all Dyatlov in Chernobyl “no there’s graphite on the ground” “send this man to the infirmiry he’s lost his mind”

 

[Jredbaron96]

I’m sure they love the cultural aspect of Germans giving them welfare worth far more then honest wages in their home country.

I'm sure you know all about this since you've lived in Germany and worked with refugees, right?

And what do we know, more leftist gaslighting. Point out their ideology that they make no secret of “you must be crazy”
The leftists here are all Dyatlov in Chernobyl “no there’s graphite on the ground” “send this man to the infirmiry he’s lost his mind”

That's cute.

 

[MamboDervish]

^^^And here is how the left operates, if they declare you a historical oppressor their philosophy demands you flood the country with the “oppressed” and allow them to kill you.

This is actual racism by the left.

^^^ And this is how the "right" operates. They expect no consequences for their actions. They invade and occupy foreign lands, and then act dumbfounded when the victimized revolt and exact revenge. "Who . . . . . me?!!? Then to explain it away, they concoct and regurgitate bullshit propaganda like, "They hate us for our free-dumbs!"

 

[Peter King]

They should tell German women to stop taking the pill then.

And why would any woman being told she has to be a baby factory because some people hate foreigners? Not going to happen, thankfully.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

^^^ And this is how the "right" operates. They expect no consequences for their actions. They invade and occupy foreign lands, and then act dumbfounded when the victimized revolt and exact revenge. "Who . . . . . me?!!? Then to explain it away, they concoct and regurgitate bullshit propaganda like, "They hate us for our free-dumbs!"

Then the victimized shouldn’t be brought into the former colonial countries then they can revolt all they want in their homeland

 

[Peter King]

That some leaders (usually right wing) whine about multiculturalism is for political reasons, rather than help fix it, they just blame everything on the people who moved to that country and of course never the people who are making most of the problems.

There is a load of "white/original" inhabitants of a country that think integration comes from one side only, that the state/they themselves have to do nothing to help people integrate.

And then there are the idiots in Europe who want them not to integrate but to disappear (back to the "own country" even though most were born here) or assimilate (lose any characteristics/religious identity).

That kind of thinking brings out idiots like Geert Wilders who claim the Netherlands should be a purely Judeo-Christian society with no muslims

 

[MamboDervish]

Then the victimized shouldn’t be brought into the former colonial countries then they can revolt all they want in their homeland

Or the victimized should be brought into the invading and occupying countries - because they are owed reparations, safety and freedom, and more than anything, the benefit of the doubt.

That's why the US will probably take in 10's of thousands of Afghans who assisted us at the risk of their lives. Because we OWE THEM! And if a handful of them go off the rails because they witnessed the slaughter of some close family member at the hands of the invaders, then payback will be a bitch. But what goes around comes around. The lesson taught should at least become, if we're smart, the lesson learned. "Keep your combat boots off other nation's soils".

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Or the victimized should be brought into the invading and occupying countries - because they are owed reparations, safety and freedom, and more than anything, the benefit of the doubt.

That's why the US will probably take in 10's of thousands of Afghans who assisted us at the risk of their lives. Because we OWE THEM! And if a handful of them go off the rails because they witnessed the slaughter of some close family member at the hands of the invaders, then payback will be a bitch. But what goes around comes around. The lesson taught should at least become, if we're smart, the lesson learned. "Keep your combat boots off other nation's soils".

Wait, so the oppressed are owed the culture of the alleged oppressors?

Then why was colonialism bad?

You’re not making any sense. If they had stayed colonial subjects they could’ve enjoyed all those things in their homeland

 

[bomberfox]

One murder doesnt tell me much about broader issues :/

 

[MamboDervish]

Wait, so the oppressed are owed the culture of the alleged oppressors?

No. Your words - not mine. In the case of Afghans, those who sacrificed for our occupation are owed. Not owed our culture, but at least owed the "safety" of our shores.

Then why was colonialism bad?

Non sequitur

You’re not making any sense. If they had stayed colonial subjects they could’ve enjoyed all those things in their homeland

? Again - above.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

That some leaders (usually right wing) whine about multiculturalism is for political reasons, rather than help fix it, they just blame everything on the people who moved to that country and of course never the people who are making most of the problems.

There is a load of "white/original" inhabitants of a country that think integration comes from one side only, that the state/they themselves have to do nothing to help people integrate.

And then there are the idiots in Europe who want them not to integrate but to disappear (back to the "own country" even though most were born here) or assimilate (lose any characteristics/religious identity).

That kind of thinking brings out idiots like Geert Wilders who claim the Netherlands should be a purely Judeo-Christian society with no muslims

No. Your words - not mine. In the case of Afghans, those who sacrificed for our occupation are owed. Not owed our culture, but at least owed the "safety" of our shores.

Non sequitur

? Again - above.

Why are they owed safety from us?

If they believe in democracy they can be partisan resistors in Afghanistan. They can be pro-Taliban or they can resist in Afghanistan. Either way I see no moral cause for bringing them to the west.

 

[Peter King]

Why are they owed safety from us?

If they believe in democracy they can be partisan resistors in Afghanistan. They can be pro-Taliban or they can resist in Afghanistan. Either way I see no moral cause for bringing them to the west.

You mean why citizens of a country are owed safety? I don't know why you added my post to this nonsense because nothing in my post has anything to do with what you wrote.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

You mean why citizens of a country are owed safety? I don't know why you added my post to this nonsense because nothing in my post has anything to do with what you wrote.

Citizens of another country are not owed safety in mine

 

[MamboDervish]

Why are they owed safety from us?

Seriously? They never asked to be invaded and occupied. Now their entire family's lives are in danger for having helped us - in whatever capacity, even as simple as translator. That's why they are owed safety from us.

If they believe in democracy they can be partisan resistors in Afghanistan.

Armed with what? Trained by whom? Do you know any children that can be "partisan resistors" ??!! How many moons orbit your planet?

They can be pro-Taliban or they can resist in Afghanistan. Either way I see no moral cause for bringing them to the west.

That comment says nothing about them, everything about you, and none of it good.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Seriously? They never asked to be invaded and occupied. Now their entire family's lives are in danger for having helped us - in whatever capacity, even as simple as translator. That's why they are owed safety from us.

Armed with what? Trained by whom? Do you know any children that can be "partisan resistors" ??!! How many moons orbit your planet?


That comment says nothing about them, everything about you, and none of it good.

Why as a matter of fact

José Sánchez del Río - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Tigerace117]

Why as a matter of fact

José Sánchez del Río - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

The Catholic Church tried to canonize a borderline Ustase collaborator simply because he was a clergyman convicted of it. That’s not saying much.

 

[noonereal]

Is the Murder of Sir David Amess yet another blow to the ideal of Multiculturalism in Europe?​

What a strange question.

You know, the longer people live apart the greater the divides grow, right?

 

[Ginza]

One murder doesnt tell me much about broader issues :/

Did you not learn anything from 911 either?

Amess was a prominent Brexiteer who believed in the UK having the power to choose who came into the country. The UK didn't have full control over its borders under the EU's freedom of movement rules.

It now has a points system when considering immigration applications, similar to that of my own country.

 

[Ginza]

There is a load of "white/original" inhabitants of a country that think integration comes from one side only, that the state/they themselves have to do nothing to help people integrate.

Why should the state spend taxpayers money helping people to integrate?

That makes absolutely no sense at all.

We should only let people in if they come from communities with a history of living in harmony with locals.

 

[Ginza]

And just for context, be sure to address the 8,000 Muslims who were slaughtered in Europe just 26 years ago in Srebrenica, lest we become deluded into thinking the scales are somehow imbalanced here. Muslim violence in Europe would have a long way to go to catch up to that number.

Thanks for yet another example of how multiculturalism has failed in Europe.

 

[Ginza]

Islamic culture has no intention of living in peace with others; its aim remains to supplant them.

Therein lies the root of the problem.

 

[Ginza]

the murder of millions of European Jews, as evidence of the failure of multiculturalism just has to be the dumbest thing one can get to read on these forums.

You have to be dumb beyond belief to believe that those murders were anything but a great example of the failure of multiculturalism in Europe.

 

[MamboDervish]

Thanks for yet another example of how multiculturalism has failed in Europe.

And yet the European Union has succeeded. The cognitive dissonance must be deafening, eh?

 

[Ginza]

And yet the European Union has succeeded. The cognitive dissonance must be deafening, eh?

Succeeded?

Lol!

It succeeded when it was merely a trading group. It has now recently lost its second largest net contributor and one of its most influential members and is now threatening to expel some Eastern European states if they don't abide by the political values of the powerful Western European members.

At the same time the EU is taking action against another two states because they don't agree that EU law is superior to their own legal rulings.

The only thing that is deafening is my laughter at your suggestion.

 

[Ginza]

The lesson taught should at least become, if we're smart, the lesson learned. "Keep your combat boots off other nation's soils".

So the US should have allowed Al Queda to continue business as usual?

I guess that you would have been one of those Americans who were not in favour of the USA helping the other allies to liberate Western Europe.