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Is the gun debate about rights, or more of a polarization of a dem vs. r [W:146,164]

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haymarket said:
We have background checks for some gun purchases and do not have background checks for other gun purchases.

Got that?
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You seriously think for one minute that if I am selling my friend a gun I am going to run down to the FFL dealer pay a fee and have my friend go through a background check? I'll meet ya there. No really just wait ill be right there ....
 
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CRUE CAB said:
So you want me to do a background check on friends I swap guns with?
Excuse me while I laugh my ass off.
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What do you find funny about giving your gun to somebody with a violent criminal background with gun abuse or history of mental illness?
 
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blaxshep said:
You seriously think for one minute that if I am selling my friend a gun I am going to run down to the FFL dealer pay a fee and have my friend go through a background check? I'll meet ya there. No really just wait ill be right there ....
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How does this negate my statement that we only have background checks for some gun purchases and not others?
 
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haymarket said:
How does this negate my statement that we only have background checks for some gun purchases and not others?
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There are background checks for the commercial sale of guns. Private sales are just that, private...
 
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stonewall50 said:
That is a child's ploy. I have used the same phrase repeatedly in this thread. I think you 100 PERCENT KNOW what "word" was supposed to go there. Or is contest tough for you? I under stand. I have an aunt who doesn't really get sarcasm because she doesn't get the whole context thing.

So. Again. This is a simple or yes or no question. Is there a system in place to background check firearms? Does one exist?
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No. Children write better and clearer than you seem to do.

I have no idea what "a system that is 100 in existence "means because it makes no sense and is really butchering the English language.

What part about this grammatically correct written sentence do you fail to comprehend? We have background checks for some firearms and we do not have background checks for other firearms.
 
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AlabamaPaul said:
There are background checks for the commercial sale of guns. Private sales are just that, private...
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What constitutes a "private sale"?
 
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haymarket said:
What constitutes a "private sale"?
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Do I really need to define this for you? ATF already defines private sales...
 
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AlabamaPaul said:
Do I really need to define this for you? ATF already defines private sales...
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I believe it is important -yes.

A few people have mentioned sales between buddies or friends. Actually, it is much much broader than that and you are well aware of that.

btw - how is a sale for money not "a commercial sale"?
 
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Sisyphus said:
Take it up with the Supremes, who most recently upheld that the 2A does not protect every type of Arm. So indeed, a right we do not have which some think we have is the epitome of "no value."
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That's great.. since no one.. certainly not the gun lobby is saying that the second amendment protects every type of arm. No one is saying that 6 year olds should be able to buy a Glock or that my father should be able to purchase 20 surface to air anything.

What we ARE talking about is two 60 some year old target pistols that WERE owned by a seventy some year old gentleman who was law abiding and a good citizen.. that had to get rid of his guns or be a criminal or destroy the historic value of his collectables...

And for what? Because in NO WAY is anyone safer.
 
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haymarket said:
I believe it is important -yes.

A few people have mentioned sales between buddies or friends. Actually, it is much much broader than that and you are well aware of that.

btw - how is a sale for money not "a commercial sale"?
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It depends on whether or not a person is engaged in the business of purchasing and then selling guns for a profit. If one simply sells a gun they've had but no longer need or want, then it's a private sale. Whereas a person who regularly purchases guns for the expressed purpose of resale would need to hold an FFL and perform background checks before a sale could be completed...
 
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AlabamaPaul said:
Do I really need to define this for you? ATF already defines private sales...
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Don't waste your time - it is just a BS little busy request.

Anyone of average intelligence know the difference between commercial and private sales.
 
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SMTA said:
Don't waste your time - it is just a BS little busy request.

Anyone of average intelligence know the difference between commercial and private sales.
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haymarket is a fun debate until he pulls out his dictionary...
 
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AlabamaPaul said:
It depends on whether or not a person is engaged in the business of purchasing and then selling guns for a profit. If one simply sells a gun they've had but no longer need or want, then it's a private sale. Whereas a person who regularly purchases guns for the expressed purpose of resale would need to hold an FFL and perform background checks before a sale could be completed...
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So selling some guns out of my car trunk in an alley of Detroit to some "friends" is okay?
 
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SMTA said:
Don't waste your time - it is just a BS little busy request.

Anyone of average intelligence know the difference between commercial and private sales.
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Perhaps then you can explain how a sale for money is not a COMMERCIAL SALE?

If you are of "average intelligence" that is according to your own qualifier.
 
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haymarket said:
No. Children write better and clearer than you seem to do.

I have no idea what "a system that is 100 in existence "means because it makes no sense and is really butchering the English language.

What part about this grammatically correct written sentence do you fail to comprehend?
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A diversion and time wasting insult. You seem to be losing your temper. Let me help you. If you answer the question truthfully...I will stop asking you.

What part about this grammatically correct written sentence do you fail to comprehend? We have background checks for some firearms and we do not have background checks for other firearms.
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That statement is wrong. The background check is not conducted on firearms. It seems your grammar isn't actually correct there. But I will cut you slack because I understand context and what you meant.

We have background checks
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This is the only part of the statement that matters. You agree. There is an extant system that we do conduct background checks through? Do you accept that premise? Or do you think that premise is a lie?
 
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haymarket said:
So selling some guns out of my trunk in an alley of Detroit to some "friends" is okay?
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Do you want a serious discussion or not? What is your definition of "selling some guns"? Surely you're smart enough to recognize the difference between your scenario and what would be considered to be a legal, private gun sale...
 
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stonewall50 said:
Have you been in this thread at all?
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No, I jump in when I can, but I have a feeling that I could accurately guess the tone of the thread without reviewing a single post...
 
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AlabamaPaul said:
No, I jump in when I can, but I have a feeling that I could accurately guess the tone of the thread without reviewing a single post...
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;) I bet you could too lol.
 
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haymarket said:
Perhaps then you can explain how a sale for money is not a COMMERCIAL SALE?

If you are of "average intelligence" that is according to your own qualifier.
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Perhaps you can look up definitions yourself that you do not understand.

Google is your friend.
 
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Moderator's Warning:
Please leave out the personal remarks and stick to the topic, which is not other posters.
 
Is the gun debate about rights, or more of a polarization of a dem vs. rep figh

Thanks Gina no problem.
 
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haymarket said:
What do you find funny about giving your gun to somebody with a violent criminal background with gun abuse or history of mental illness?
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I think whats funny is you thinking that someone with a violent criminal background or history of dangerous mental illness is going to be stopped by a background check...

I can see it now... Crue runs a background check on the violent criminal who plans on murdering 20 school children...

"Sorry sir, but you can't buy this gun"..

Now.. do you really think the violent criminal or deranged madman is going to say "Gosh darn shucky geez and walk away?"

Wait a minute.. you probably DO think that..

Those of us that have common sense realize that a madman/criminal intent on destruction is going to bop Crue on the head or murder him and take what he wants and no background check is going to deter him one bit.
 
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stonewall50 said:
A diversion and time wasting insult. You seem to be losing your temper. Let me help you. If you answer the question truthfully...I will stop asking you.



That statement is wrong. The background check is not conducted on firearms. It seems your grammar isn't actually correct there. But I will cut you slack because I understand context and what you meant.



This is the only part of the statement that matters. You agree. There is an extant system that we do conduct background checks through? Do you accept that premise? Or do you think that premise is a lie?
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WOW!!!!!
The premise is a lie because it is only part of the story while disguised to make the unsuspecting believe it is the story. Of course, this comes as no surprise to you since it has been explained many many many many times here.

I guess you could also say that people kill everyday. Even though all do not kill - some do. That fits right into the skewed logic that you can tell a partial truth and its not dishonest to do that.
 
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jaeger19 said:
I think whats funny is you thinking that someone with a violent criminal background or history of dangerous mental illness is going to be stopped by a background check...

I can see it now... Crue runs a background check on the violent criminal who plans on murdering 20 school children...

"Sorry sir, but you can't buy this gun"..

Now.. do you really think the violent criminal or deranged madman is going to say "Gosh darn shucky geez and walk away?"

Wait a minute.. you probably DO think that..

Those of us that have common sense realize that a madman/criminal intent on destruction is going to bop Crue on the head or murder him and take what he wants and no background check is going to deter him one bit.
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So how many people have been turned down for gun purchases because of background checks? If your premise is right - the answer is NOBODY.
 
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