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Is the Flu in the witness protection program?

Paradoxical said:
It is still a fact that the majority of p[eople who died were well over 60 AND had preexisting conditions. Those under that age in good health had a slim chance of dying.
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How does this stop the fact that many of our healthcare systems were paralyzed....lacking sufficient space , resources, and personnel to give basic care to patients.....leaving many NON covid patients with substandard or no treatment?

Seriously. What don't you get???

And what helped the healthcare systems re-group? The vaccine and boosters and to a lesser extent better treatment of existing covid.

I cannot figure out if you just lack common sense or are just trolling.

Probably both.
 
year2late said:
How does this stop the fact that many of our healthcare systems were paralyzed....lacking sufficient space , resources, and personnel to give basic care to patients.....leaving many NON covid patients with substandard or no treatment?

Seriously. What don't you get???

And what helped the healthcare systems re-group? The vaccine and boosters and to a lesser extent better treatment of existing covid.

I cannot figure out if you just lack common sense or are just trolling.

Probably both.
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Your second to last sentence says it all. Definitely both.
 
VySky said:
Noboday wants to be called a science denier by claiming to have the flu. Democrats changed the name to Covid.

Dems do that (change word definitions) with a lot of things like the progression through the alphabet to reach 'African American' and 'Gay', 'birthing persons', and Isla Vista Style frat parties at the capital
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It is a different test. When reported as flu, it is based on having a positive test for flu.

Are you thinking that people are risking their licenses by falsely reporting flu as covid??
 
VySky said:
The flu vaccine and the Covid vaccine are very similar in they work less than 50% of the time. Screw those odds.
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You understand they are two very different types of vaccines, right?

The flu vaccine is based on which strains they expect to see the next flu season. Some years they are on point. Others not so much.

Perhaps you lack basic understanding (like most conspiracy theorists) - there are many strains of flu. It is not an expectation that he flu vaccine will be completely effective. It is very effective if the patient has one of the strains that was included in their vaccine.
 
Paradoxical said:
Covid is real but hospitals and doctors were given a financial incentive to say Covid. They get MORE money for Covid than the flu, and are guaranteed payment by the taxpayers who are now in debt trillions because of it.
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Are you saying that doctors would risk their medical license (and ancillary personnel would risk their certifications and licenses) to benefit their hospital? Seriously? Is that what you think?

By the way...the "extra money" they got. Why don't you explain to all of us exactly which patients were subject to the bonuses. It will help with the why.

I am curious....do you have any statistics from reliable sources to show the massive "covid profits" they were making during 2020 and 2021? I assume you know what profit means.

By the way, hospitals will take a long time to recover from covid. Burned out staff, over dependence on very high priced travelling staff (not just nurses) . Exceptionally high turn over - meaning huge amounts going to orientation for staff that may only stay a few months.

Educate yourself
 
VySky said:
I got news for you. People took the flu shot because they thought it was suppose to reduce the odds of catching the flu. Thing is, the odds are not good enough.
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Inasmuch as there is no significant down side to getting the flu vaccine or the covid vaccine its the right thing to do.

Unless you are a covidiot who lives in a fantasy world where masks don't work and where vaccines are useless and Dr Fauci's advice is equivalent to that of your local plumber.
 
year2late said:
Are you saying that doctors would risk their medical license (and ancillary personnel would risk their certifications and licenses) to benefit their hospital? Seriously? Is that what you think?

By the way...the "extra money" they got. Why don't you explain to all of us exactly which patients were subject to the bonuses. It will help with the why.

I am curious....do you have any statistics from reliable sources to show the massive "covid profits" they were making during 2020 and 2021? I assume you know what profit means.

By the way, hospitals will take a long time to recover from covid. Burned out staff, over dependence on very high priced travelling staff (not just nurses) . Exceptionally high turn over - meaning huge amounts going to orientation for staff that may only stay a few months.

Educate yourself
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Paradoxical thinks that somehow hospitals should have just absorbed the cost of caring for covid patients. Its consistent with the rest of his nonsensical posts.
 
Paradoxical said:
Covid is real
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How do you know? Why are you so gullible? It could just be the medical industry making it up to make some money off it. Don't you stop and think for yourself for a minute, or do you just believe everything the medical establisment tells you?

Paradoxical said:
but hospitals and doctors were given a financial incentive to say Covid.
Paradoxical said:
They get MORE money for Covid than the flu, and are guaranteed payment by the taxpayers who are now in debt trillions because of it.
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Sure. Even more reason why Covid is just probably all made up. This is more consistent with your conspiracy theory than the idea that Covid is real but hospitals are getting paid to say it's Covid. And then it wouldn't make sense for them to push so hard for masks and vaccines. If Covid is real, why not just pay lip service to needing to put on masks and get vaccines, and let the real thing take its toll on the population? Doesn't make sense.

I'm pretty sure these guys on the front line of Covid will tell you all their cases are pretty real, and they would forego the extra money and work if Covid would just go away:


And you think all these medical professionals would all just be OK with calling things Covid that they knew weren't?

What if hospitals are just paid to say things are cancer? Maybe there is no such thing as cancer.
 
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wist43 said:
Surgeons tend to recommend surgery; GP's recommend Big Pharma products; faith healers recommend prayer and belief...
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No surgeon recommends surgery for metastatic cancer. No Big Pharma recommends only Pharma products for a broken ankle.

wist43 said:
It is what it is.

I was recommended to have surgery not too long ago. I decided to try some natural remedies. I figured they wouldn't work, but gave em a try... long story short - I'm fine, no more pain, no surgery.
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Suzanne Sommers was diagnosed with breast Cancer and was recommended to have further chemotherapy for her breast cancer, but decided to just go with herbal tea instead- and she did fine. Would you really be OK with the medical community just stopping all chemotherapy recommendations based on that?

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Suzanne Somers speaks out about her battle with breast cancer, her treatments by Dr. Joel Aronowitz and the success story she lives to tell...
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wist43 said:
At some point you have personal responsibility for your health and matters in your life.

Don't let the machine turn you into a cog - get informed, read, research, and think for yourself.
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So I read medical articles and journals. What do you read?
 
wist43 said:
Surgeons tend to recommend surgery; GP's recommend Big Pharma products; faith healers recommend prayer and belief...

It is what it is.

I was recommended to have surgery not too long ago. I decided to try some natural remedies. I figured they wouldn't work, but gave em a try... long story short - I'm fine, no more pain, no surgery.

At some point you have personal responsibility for your health and matters in your life.

Don't let the machine turn you into a cog - get informed, read, research, and think for yourself.
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How do you know you really had cancer and not something else that the Big Pharma and medical establishment just made up to make money off of you? That pain probably would have gone away if you had just left it alone. Did you look at the biopsy results yourself? Why are you so gullible? Don't let the machine turn you into a cog - get informed, read, research, and think for yourself.
 
year2late said:
How does this stop the fact that many of our healthcare systems were paralyzed....lacking sufficient space , resources, and personnel to give basic care to patients.....leaving many NON covid patients with substandard or no treatment?

Seriously. What don't you get???

And what helped the healthcare systems re-group? The vaccine and boosters and to a lesser extent better treatment of existing covid.

I cannot figure out if you just lack common sense or are just trolling.

Probably both.
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That people over 60 filled the hospitals has ZERO to with those UNDER 60
 
year2late said:
Are you saying that doctors would risk their medical license (and ancillary personnel would risk their certifications and licenses) to benefit their hospital? Seriously? Is that what you think?

By the way...the "extra money" they got. Why don't you explain to all of us exactly which patients were subject to the bonuses. It will help with the why.

I am curious....do you have any statistics from reliable sources to show the massive "covid profits" they were making during 2020 and 2021? I assume you know what profit means.

By the way, hospitals will take a long time to recover from covid. Burned out staff, over dependence on very high priced travelling staff (not just nurses) . Exceptionally high turn over - meaning huge amounts going to orientation for staff that may only stay a few months.

Educate yourself
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When the CDC or any other agency has no desire or intent to "investigate" and encourages them to say Covid, what risk is there?

Librals know that their constituents are the uninsured ones.
 
ataraxia said:
How do you know? Why are you so gullible? It could just be the medical industry making it up to make some money off it. Don't you stop and think for yourself for a minute, or do you just believe everything the medical establisment tells you?



Sure. Even more reason why Covid is just probably all made up. This is more consistent with your conspiracy theory than the idea that Covid is real but hospitals are getting paid to say it's Covid. And then it wouldn't make sense for them to push so hard for masks and vaccines. If Covid is real, why not just pay lip service to needing to put on masks and get vaccines, and let the real thing take its toll on the population? Doesn't make sense.

I'm pretty sure these guys on the front line of Covid will tell you all their cases are pretty real, and they would forego the extra money and work if Covid would just go away:


And you think all these medical professionals would all just be OK with calling things Covid that they knew weren't?

What if hospitals are just paid to say things are cancer? Maybe there is no such thing as cancer.
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Your attempted diversion isn't working.
 
Paradoxical said:
Your attempted diversion isn't working.
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What diversion? You can't be so oddly selective in all your sophisticated skepticism- makes no sense. It makes as much sense that they are making all this up about Covid as that they are making everything up about everything else too. How do you know cancer is real, or that the chemo or surgery recommendations they are issuing for it are not all just made up?
 
Paradoxical said:
That people over 60 filled the hospitals has ZERO to with those UNDER 60
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Those under 60 are keeping the pandemic going for everyone. And the number of those UNDER 60 who are dying of Covid is not ZERO. I personally know a family with 3 kids whose 54-year-old dad, previously completely healthy but unvaccinated, died a few months ago from Covid. Devastating. But he too thought he was some sophisticated skeptic and had stubbornly refused to get the vaccine.
 
ataraxia said:
No surgeon recommends surgery for metastatic cancer. No Big Pharma recommends only Pharma products for a broken ankle.



Suzanne Sommers was diagnosed with breast Cancer and was recommended to have further chemotherapy for her breast cancer, but decided to just go with herbal tea instead- and she did fine. Would you really be OK with the medical community just stopping all chemotherapy recommendations based on that?

www.aronowitzmd.com

Suzanne Somers on being diagnosed with breast cancer: Joel A. Aronowitz, MD: Plastic Surgeon

Suzanne Somers speaks out about her battle with breast cancer, her treatments by Dr. Joel Aronowitz and the success story she lives to tell...
www.aronowitzmd.com www.aronowitzmd.com



So I read medical articles and journals. What do you read?
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Stop being ridiculous. Stop trolling.
 
ataraxia said:
What diversion? You can't be so oddly selective in all your sophisticated skepticism- makes no sense. It makes as much sense that they are making all this up about Covid as that they are making everything up about everything else too. How do you know cancer is real, or that the chemo or surgery recommendations they are issuing for it are not all just made up?
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Again, your diversionary tactics are falling on no one's eyes, least of all mine.
 
ataraxia said:
Those under 60 are keeping the pandemic going for everyone. And the number of those UNDER 60 who are dying of Covid is not ZERO. I personally know a family with 3 kids whose 54-year-old dad, previously completely healthy but unvaccinated, died a few months ago from Covid. Devastating. But he too thought he was some sophisticated skeptic and had stubbornly refused to get the vaccine.
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The outlier.
 
wist43 said:
Stop being ridiculous. Stop trolling.
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I am not sure why anything is more ridiculous about the entire medical community making up Covid diagnoses than the entire medical community making up cancer or any other diagnoses. If they are just doing it all for money, then why stop at only Covid? Have you done enough of your own research to confidently know that's not the case, or are you just being a sheeple and believing and doing as you are told? The truth is out there....
 
ataraxia said:
I am not sure why anything is more ridiculous about the entire medical community making up Covid diagnoses than the entire medical community making up cancer or any other diagnoses. If they are just doing it all for money, then why stop at only Covid? Have you done enough of your own research to confidently know that's not the case, or are you just being a sheeple and believing and doing as you are told? The truth is out there....
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Our government pays them MORE for Covid is why!!!!
 
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