Is The Covid Vaccine Our Best And Only Shot Of Ending This Pandemic?

[The AntiDonald]

Your OP ignores all the other steps Biden has provided leadership on to help prevent the spread of Covid. Those can be found here.

The reality is since Covid is invisible, there really are only a few ways to eliminate it. If ALL the people could isolate totally from one another for a specified time, the virus would die off. That means a total and complete shutdown of society. I am quite sure that would never work. So that leaves us with an effective vaccine.

We know we have three effective vaccines. Two of which are in the 90%+ effective range, one about 65-70% effective. I am quite sure the vaccines were always held as the best way to get us out of the pandemic. That's based on most people taking the vaccine which is not happening.

Without going into why it's not happening, I think it's safe to say that we are stuck in this pandemic for a while, possibly a long while.

In short, there is nothing much more that Biden can do but try to educate people about the vaccine. One things for sure, if the scientific community comes up with a better way, Biden will not hold them back.

To all the people that think you know more than the doctors, news flash, you don't. So why not consult with your doctor and take their advice. I will guarantee all credible doctors will advise you to GET VACCINATED.

 

[trouble13]

What other viruses have killed 600,000+ Americans in a little of a year?

That was prior to the high risk groups being inoculated.

 

[trouble13]

The death rate remains about the same, but your comment that "most" vulnerable peoples "have protected themselves" is false.

They remain at risk, and we have no idea what these new strains will do to the kids and teenagers.

Please don't make statements as if they are unchallengable.

Does the gimmick your trying to pull here ever work?

You changed what I said by misquoting me and then proceed to argue against an argument that you created, not me.

 

[MTAtech]

In a nutshell, the best strategy would have been to push mitigation measures until the vaccines and better treatments became available. Had the previous administration done that, then there's a good chance more lives would have been saved and the prevention measures would have had a better chance of succeeding by minimizing the surges. Vaccines were always going to be the game changer, and now that we have them, the push is to get as many people as possible vaccinated.

The previous administration had a very laissez faire attitude about vaccination efforts, so had the election been different, there's a good chance the strategy would have been equally laissez faire with no real effort to make getting vaccinated a priority. Of course that's supposition, but the fact the mitigation measures were made divisive by a president who at the time was tweeting to "liberate" states who were imposing restrictions, makes it easy to assume vaccination efforts were likely to be equally divisive.

Tennessee is a prime example of vaccine hesitancy that is causing the surge that the OP wrote about. (The OP is wrong that it is surging in 50 states. Some have a surge, while others are seeing slight increases. The key is vaccination rates.)

Tennessee's legislators pressured state health officials to cancel vaccination events aimed at teenagers and retract social media posts urging adolescents to get vaccinated.

Not even Dolly could get the message through.

Opinion | Dolly Parton Tried. But Tennessee Is Squandering a Miracle. (Published 2021)

I just don’t get it.

www.nytimes.com

 

[DataPoint]

That was prior to the high risk groups being inoculated.

Stop the nonsense. They are not all inoculated, and the younger groups can't be yet.

I bet you believe in the Big Steal as well.

 

[JacksinPA]

There is one way to avoid vaccination: go live in a cave & become a hermit. Have no contact with the anti-masking anti-vaxxers. They are infecting each other & filling the hospitals & morgues. Happy yet? These are the people claiming that the government is taking away their freedoms...all the way to the cemetery.

 

[DataPoint]

Does the gimmick your trying to pull here ever work?

You changed what I said by misquoting me and then proceed to argue against an argument that you created, not me.

You stumble yet again. I quoted you accurately and then proceed to show how silly was your argument.

 

[trouble13]

You stumble yet again. I quoted you accurately and then proceed to show how silly was your argument.

Try again I did not say most vulnerable people protected themselves. I said those who are the most vulnerable have protected themselves. If you want to argue against your own argument, be my guest, but leave me out of it.

Testing positive is a relatively minor threat to most of the population. The doomsday apocalyptic narrative being promoted by the Baizou media, The Democrat party, and the lying Fauci isn't any concern to rational minded people who can think for themselves.

 

[DataPoint]

I wrote, "Stop the nonsense. They are not all inoculated, and the younger groups can't be yet. I bet you believe in the Big Steal as well."

The person then tries to change the argument.

Many of the vulnerable have not vaccinated because they will not. That's stupid.

The younger kids and many of the teens can't vaccinate, yet.

Testing positive may well mean being ill now and having long haul issues for the rest of their life.

Let's discuss this issue more clearly. The virus can be deadly, and it cannot be ignored. It is not going away on its own.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

That's apparently Biden's only plan, get everyone vaccinated.

You know what the plan was to get rid of polio? It was to get everyone vaccinated.

You know what they plan was to get rid of smallpox? It was to get everyone vaccinated.

There are only two ways for this to go down:

1. Almost everyone that is able to be vaccinated, is vaccinated against COVID and we achieve herd immunity that way.

Or

2. Some people get vaccinated while others opt not to due to ignorance on their part, and we have tens of thousands (if not more) additional deaths that were totally preventable. If we go down this road, eventually we will reach some level of herd immunity as well, but many people will die that didn't have to die. Many people will have life long heart and lung damage that they didn't have to have.

This would be the case regardless of who was president. It is just reality and I am not sure why you have such a hard time dealing with it.

 

[Moderate Right]

LOL So masks don't work and shutting down and getting people to stay home is out of the question but getting people vaccinated is not a good plan? WTF are you saying? Vaccinations have always been the only sure way to end a pandemic and that has not changed. It was not the one term mistakes idea either and neither was developing a vaccine. Biden has also done far more to facilitate vaccinations than Mr. One & done's "plan" which consisted solely of handing them over to the States and saying "get it done". He also has called on FEMA to help States deal with the Pandemic instead of having the FED bid against them for PPE's. The ongoing right wing conspiracy to discredit and lie about the vaccine is a threat to national security and Biden is now working on that problem too. Perhaps you should tell your right wing friends to STF up and stop undermining our nation for a change. It will only make them more hated than they already are.

Masks did not work to bring cases down. Cases continued going up during mask mandates until the vaccine was finally available. Yes, locking down can work but at what price?Seems like both Democrats and Republicans have no taste for lockdowns.

 

[Moderate Right]

This burr has buried itself quite deeply in your derriere. Please share with us your ideas for stopping the spread of the virus.

I was just making a point that Biden and the Democrats really have only one plan - the Trump plan of making a vaccine available to Americans. That was the Trump plan. He did Operation Warp Speed. He paid for vaccines for every American. The left spent a full year telling Americans they should not get the Trump rushed vaccine and now they are having a hard time telling Americans they should get the Trump vaccine, which they spent a year telling Americans not to get.

 

[Moderate Right]

Hmm… are you doubting that ‘prevention is the best cure’? What is your preferred alternative ‘plan’?

The point was Democrats have zero plan other than carrying through the Trump plan of vaccinating Americans. Their only plan is the Trump plan.

 

[Moderate Right]

Yes you did and it was stupid to say too.

Have you proved I said that yet? Hell, I got the vaccine way back in January.

 

[Moderate Right]

Biden's plan is working and vaccines are available to all in multiple venues that keep increasing. The virus is mutating like they always do and it is a race to reach herd immunity here that is being undermined by the right. Is there anything the right will not do to hurt this country? First is was big lie about the election and now another big lie about vaccines. Now they are in a huff about being called on their lies on social media. Claiming they will yell fire in crowded theaters all they want and we can't stop them. Why don't you tell them to STF up instead of posting disingenuous threads claiming it is Biden's fault that Republicans won't get the vaccine. We are still far better off than if the one term mistake was still in office and no we do not regret booting that criminal out.

Biden's plan is the Trump plan - making vaccines available to Americans. Trump started it. He did Operation Warp Speed and prepaid companies to provide vaccines to all Americans. Biden is carrying on with the Trump plan - vaccines.

 

[Moderate Right]

From the BBC:
Abderrahmane Fadil, a 60-year-old science teacher with two young children was wary of the vaccines because of the speed at which they were rolled out. He ended up in intensive care for nine days - the first time he had spent a night in hospital since arriving in Britain from Morocco in 1985.
"It's so lovely to be alive," he says.
"My wife had the vaccine. I didn't. I was reluctant. I was giving myself time, I was thinking that in my life I've lived with viruses, bacteria, and I thought my immune system was good enough. And I'd had symptoms of Covid at the start of the pandemic and thought perhaps I'd had it. I thought my immune system would recognise the virus and I'd have defences.
"This was the biggest mistake in my life. It nearly cost me my life. I've made many silly decisions in my life, but this was the most dangerous and serious one."
"I wish I could go to each and every person who refuses to have the vaccine and tell them, 'Look, this is a matter of life of death - do you want to live or die?'"
Abderrahmane left the hospital nearly a month ago, but still isn't well.
"I wish I could go to each and every person who refuses to have the vaccine," he says, "and tell them, 'Look, this is a matter of life of death. Do you want to live or die? If you want to live, then go and get the vaccine.'"
For many of the patients who have not been vaccinated, being admitted with severe Covid is an alarm call to the deadly consequences of fake news about Covid and vaccines.
Faisal admits being influenced by conversations on social media, and the worries about the vaccine in the city's Asian community, as well as news reports about the extremely low risk of blood clots with the AstraZeneca vaccine.
COVID-19 vaccines go through many tests for safety and effectiveness and are then monitored closely.
Source: World Health Organization
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What on Earth are you blabbering about? This thread is about Biden's only plan, which is making vaccines available to Americans. It was the Trump plan.

 

[Moderate Right]

In a nutshell, the best strategy would have been to push mitigation measures until the vaccines and better treatments became available. Had the previous administration done that, then there's a good chance more lives would have been saved and the prevention measures would have had a better chance of succeeding by minimizing the surges. Vaccines were always going to be the game changer, and now that we have them, the push is to get as many people as possible vaccinated.

The previous administration had a very laissez faire attitude about vaccination efforts, so had the election been different, there's a good chance the strategy would have been equally laissez faire with no real effort to make getting vaccinated a priority. Of course that's supposition, but the fact the mitigation measures were made divisive by a president who at the time was tweeting to "liberate" states who were imposing restrictions, makes it easy to assume vaccination efforts were likely to be equally divisive.

From your post, "there was a good chance". In other words, you're just guessing. You don't really know. In any event, even the scientists and the experts were clawing their way through this pandemic early on, not really sure what the best thing to do was. In fact, they had been telling us that masks weren't needed and that the virus was not spreading by aerosols.

 

[ElChupacabra]

From your post, "there was a good chance". In other words, you're just guessing. You don't really know. In any event, even the scientists and the experts were clawing their way through this pandemic, not really sure what the best thing to do was.

But we have examples of more successful measures than others, and the bottom line is no scenario where the disease is left to run rampant and the public or government doesn't react doesn't exist. I'm comfortable with my guess than one which claims everything would have been fine with a divisive mitigation strategy.

 

[Moderate Right]

So where's Trump insisting that "everyone get vaccinated, or your a loser."

Trump has said that he got vaccinated and recommended to Americans to be vaccinated. Hell, HE'S the one who got the ball rolling on vaccinations and even prepaid companies to provide vaccines to all Americans.

 

[Moderate Right]

You might want to take a look "North of 49".

America's Canadian neighbours have overcome the "minor" handicap that American pharmaceutical firms refused to sell them vaccine (because Mr. Trump's administration ordered them not to allow any non-American purchases), and currently:

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[1] are vaccinating at a "daily vaccinations per capita" rate that is 662.50% of the US rate;​

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[2] have fully vaccinated a higher percentage of their population than the US has;​

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[3] have "partially vaccinated" a higher percentage of their population than the US has;​

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[4] have a mortality rate from COVID-19 that is 89.69% of the US one;​

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[5] have a "Deaths / Million" rate that is 37.08% of the US rate;​

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[6] have a "Cases / Million" rate that is 35.61% of the US rate;​

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[7] have a "Chance of Dying from COVID-19 (adjusted by 'Ability To Pay')" (actually per capita PPP GDP) that is 28.18% of what it is in the US;​

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[8] have a "Chance of Dying from COVID-19 (adjusted by 'per capita Healthcare Spending')" that is 17.21% of what it is in the US;​

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and​

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[9] have a "COVID Burden" (read as "Active COVID-19 cases / Million") that is 0.84% of the one that the US carries.​

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and are rather apologetic about the fact that the have.

Your mind gets fried doing nothing but looking at numbers, numbers, numbers. This thread is merely about Biden's only Covid plan being get Americans vaccinated, which was the Trump plan. Trump is the one who got the ball rolling on vaccines and even prepaid for every American to be vaccinated. You don't have to post graphs and charts in this thread. It's merely about Biden's plan being the Trump plan, vaccinate Americans. No graphs are needed.

 

[JacksinPA]

You know what the plan was to get rid of polio? It was to get everyone vaccinated.

You know what they plan was to get rid of smallpox? It was to get everyone vaccinated.

There are only two ways for this to go down:

1. Almost everyone that is able to be vaccinated, is vaccinated against COVID and we achieve herd immunity that way.

Or

2. Some people get vaccinated while others opt not to due to ignorance on their part, and we have tens of thousands (if not more) additional deaths that were totally preventable. If we go down this road, eventually we will reach some level of herd immunity as well, but many people will die that didn't have to die. Many people will have life long heart and lung damage that they didn't have to have.

This would be the case regardless of who was president. It is just reality and I am not sure why you have such a hard time dealing with it.

In the late 1960s I had to get a smallpox vaccination in order to travel to Europe. If you did not have that stamp in your passport you could not travel overseas. Yes, I had to have a vaccine passport. So what is De Santis' problem with vaccine passports? I think it's a mixture of ignorance & Repub scheming to gain more power at the cost of many lives.

I think it is fitting that the virus variants are disproportionately affecting the anti-maskers & anti-vaxxers. IOW, they asked for it & they got what they asked for, in some cases either death or a lifelong disabling medical condition. These are the same people who would believe OAN or Fox so-called News if they announced that scientists have just found that the sun rises in the west.

 

[Moderate Right]

In reality, you arent debating much, just spamming over and over about CV and vaccines, hoping something will stick...that somehow, someone will post something that you can grasp onto and claim proves what you want to believe.

You dont respond with direct answers to many many posts.

Vaccination and quarantine are the primary methods of fighting any epidemic. The Donald didnt invent them. He (mostly) followed the medical advice and science he was provided.

What other methods have you researched and recommend? What else is available to us?

This thread is merely about Biden's only Covid plan - get Americans vaccinated, which was the Trump plan. This really isn't a debate thread. It's just a thread pointing out that the Biden plan is following through on the Trump plan - get Americans vaccinated.

 

[JacksinPA]

Your mind gets fried doing nothing but looking at numbers, numbers, numbers. This thread is merely about Biden's only Covid plan being get Americans vaccinated, which was the Trump plan. Trump is the one who got the ball rolling on vaccines and even prepaid for every American to be vaccinated. You don't have to post graphs and charts in this thread. It's merely about Biden's plan being the Trump plan, vaccinate Americans. No graphs are needed.

Have you been vaccinated or are you just crossing your fingers & hoping to avoid infection?

 

[noonereal]

So masks don't work and shutting down and getting people to stay home is out of the question but getting people vaccinated is not a good plan? WTF are you saying?

it is perplexing

 

[Moderate Right]

Why would we admit Biden's done nothing? Look at the immense progress he's enabled with vaccination? The Donald, barely even mentioned vaccination in the 2.5 months he had left in office to continue to fight for the health of the people in this country and to encourage vaccination and free up more resources, which Biden has done. The Donald did almost NOTHING his last months in office but cry about the election...he didnt give a shit about the people of this nation.

Biden did more in 2.5 months after his election to attack CV and save the economy than The Donald did in his last 2.5. And more since...The Donald held huge events to campaign for himself and got people killed See: Herman Cain.

Edit: where's the answer to my question: What other methods have you researched and recommend? What else is available to us?

The only Biden plan is to get Americans vaccinated, which is merely following through on the Trump plan. That's what the left keep bitching about - getting Americans vaccinated - which was the Trump plan.