And, the indians believed Europeans were too weak to survive in North America.
There's a feeling of superiority in every culture.
What baloney. And you say this and then depart without offering any evidence to support your claim.
Touche'
But, I still believe that the actual movement to make blacks a permanent under-class was started by the Progressives, when they saw the political power to be gained.
Yeah, I know and they were considered inferior as well.So were Native Americans.
Yeah, I know which is why early Virginia slave codes held that any non-Christian foreigner could be held as a slave. And the non-Christianity of blacks (and Native Americans) was one of the main reasons why both groups were considered inferior, particularly as most whites had some theistic/Christian belief. Thank you for further substantiating my claim.In these days... anyone without a religious belief in god was considered a savage....... You'll have to do better than this.
LOL.Im sure you have some proof of this... lol..
The white race, with oval face, straight hair and nose, to which the civilised people of Europe belong and which appear to us the most beautiful of all, is also superior to others by its genius, courage and activity. [...] The Negro race... is marked by black complexion, crisped of woolly hair, compressed cranium and a flat nose, The projection of the lower parts of the face, and the thick lips, evidently approximate it to the monkey tribe: the hordes of which it consists have always remained in the most complete state of barbarism.[12]
Meiners split mankind into two divisions, which he labelled the "beautiful White race" and the "ugly Black race". [...] He said that the dark ugly peoples were distinct from the white beautiful peoples by their "sad" lack of virtue and their "terrible vices".
Uh, yeah, religion has something to do with it. The non-Christianity of blacks was one of the reasons they, as a "race", were considered inferior.You don't think religion had nothing to do with it?
Religion is a driving factor in how folks were treated hundreds of years ago..... as well as race.
Way to big a conspiracy theory for it to even be plausible, but hey that's my story and I am sticking to it.
Uh, yeah, religion has something to do with it. The non-Christianity of blacks was one of the reasons they, as a "race", were considered inferior.
I don't agree. I'm of the opinion that the effort to make blacks a permanent under-class in America didn't start until the NAACP was formed.
You both keep trying to either take race completely out the equation or say that race only entered the equation later. This just isn't true. Africans were being called savages, inferior and many other derogatory names since the beginning of the slave trade. The main theories of science during the entire history of slavery were about the inferiority of blacks/Africans. Obviously factors other than race were a part of the story, but race was always a part of it and it increased over time.
Those of us with a significant amount of common sense understand this without having to see any evidence.
Is there a reason why you always find facts so funny?OMG!! :lamo
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They got their slaves where they were available, and then justified it.
And the point still went over your head. You should be super embarrassed right now. Like I said, several people have made the same point and it's already been handled and dealt with several times by several posters. Look for the answers to your nonsense with the search function. Hint 2: This thread is about the Confederate Flag as it pertains to the current United States.
Meh, I disagree. I've learned that it was more like "Hey, Africans are cheap, inferior, conveniently located and physically able to handle the labor, let's enslave them". You and Caine are trying to reduce slavery and it's start to money alone and that simplification is wrong.It was used as a justification, but nobody ever said "Hey, black people are inferior, let's enslave them."
They got their slaves where they were available, and then justified it.
Meh, I disagree. I've learned that it was more like "Hey, Africans are cheap, inferior, conveniently located and physically able to handle the labor, let's enslave them". You and Caine are trying to reduce slavery and it's start to money alone and that simplification is wrong.
Yes and no. Yes, America was founded as a nation run by white male property owners (and we broke away from one who did the same). But that wasn't the reason that America was founded. The Confederacy was formed with the primary objective of continuing a slavery-based economy.
Which is why I agreed with an earlier post that the South needs a new flag to stand for not pride and not prejudice. Honestly, if it weren't for the damn prejudice, the South can be a pretty cool place. (Well not in the summer time.)
What gets me about people who fly the Confederate flag is not so much that they may be supporting racism, or maybe even slavery or treason. What gets me is that by flying that flag, they're making light of all of that. They're making light of all the brave men who shed blood to keep this nation whole. They're making light of the fact that eleven states betrayed their loyalty to the United States of America. And they're making light that that flag stood for an all-out defense of an oppressive, racist institution. THAT is why I hate the Confederate flag.
Slavery WAS about money.
Cheap labor maximizes profits.
The cheaper the labor, the higher the profits.
So we are suppose to believe that slavery had nothing to do with making African Americans a permanent under class.
And once that bitter pill is swallowed we are then suppose to believe that Jim Crow which resulted from the withdrawal of troops from the south after the corrupt bargain of the Hayes-Tilden election had nothing to do with that either.
And if you can stomach all that then we are really suppose to suspend disbelief and accept that Plessey v. Ferguson had nothing to do with that either.
And if you can absorb all that nonsense and still retain doubt, then the terrorism of the Ku Klux Klan had nothing to do with keeping African Americans as a permanent under class either.
Good thing the historical record is there to show all those things for what they are.
Not really, but since it's clear you aren't getting the hints as to why you're post has nothing to do with this thread, I'll just post my original response to the same point brought up by someone who brought it up much earlier than you did (and who was also much more respectful than you are).Dude you are ridiculous.
I agree that the American flag is treasonous, which is why, had the US not won, it would be a symbol of treason if it were flown in Britain. I am not making an argument about treason in and of itself. I'm making an argument about flying a treasonous flag WITHIN the state that the treason was committed against and the irony/stupidity of that phenomenon.
Is there a reason why you always find facts so funny?
Actually, Caine's got a point, but he didn't really make it.
Racism was an artificial construct that was put on after the fact. The absolute worst thing that could have happened to Southern elites would be if poor whites ever realized they had more in common with slaves than with the planters. So they started spreading the idea that blacks were racially inferior.
Originally in Europe, slaves came from Eastern Europe. Thus the similarity between the word "slave" and the word "slav." When Turks took control of the Bosphorus straits, it cut off the Black Sea slave trade. So they turned to Africa.
Meh, I disagree. I've learned that it was more like "Hey, Africans are cheap, inferior, conveniently located and physically able to handle the labor, let's enslave them". You and Caine are trying to reduce slavery and it's start to money alone and that simplification is wrong.
So are you trying to argue that early Americans didn't find non-Christians savage? I like debating with you apdst. It's the easiest thing I've had to do all day and all I've done today is eat.Facts? No. That crap? Oh hell-to-the-yeah! :lamo
But they weren't.They would have said the same ****, if they had been white.
Yeah, I know. I said that in my first response to you. We're talking about who was chosen to be slaves.Slavery WAS about money.
Cheap labor maximizes profits.
The cheaper the labor, the higher the profits.
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