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Is the collapse of the dollar inevitable?

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The socialists and the Austrians are at opposite ends of the spectrum of views on inevitability. Socialists believe that the government can turn on a dime, veering away from economic collapse towards a socialistic paradise simply by giving the right person the authority to print money. And how would the Benevolent One accomplish this feat? According to the Debt Virus Theory, it is as simple as printing money and spending it directly into the economy, rather than buying Treasury Bills. On the other hand, the Austrians believe that a “distortion-reversion process” is inevitable. Credit expansion is unsustainable and this, apparently, is true no matter how benevolent the chairman of central bank may be and no matter what he spends newly created money on, whether on social programs or in the discount of good bills, at not more than sixty days’ date.

Is hyperinflation the inevitable result of inflation? This is the question I address.

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In my Critique of Mathematically Perfected Economy, I write:

“The basic flaw in the logic of modern socialists (Montagne, Cook, Zarlenga, etc.) is confusion between motivation and capability. ‘He’s privately controlled!’ the socialist sneers at the Federal Reserve chairman, the unspoken assumption being that, were the socialist put in charge, he would immediately open the floodgates of wealth and prosperity for us all. It would be a veritable socialistic paradise, if only the Benevolent One were given the authority to print money! But, the fact is, the Fed is in a box. If a socialist were put in charge, he would be in the same box.”

In my Critique of Austrian Economics, I write:

“Rothbard discusses an inevitable ‘distortion-reversion process’ but says little about how it actually plays out. Apparently forgetting his master’s regression theorem, he declares ‘the continuance of confidence in the banks is something of a psychological marvel’ (1970, p. 867).

“Garrison (2001, p. 44) redefines the Production Possibilities Frontier, PPF, to be
sustainable combinations of investment and consumption, but says nothing about what is so unsustainable about a credit expansion. Since he defines consumption on the PPF (which is real) to be the same as consumption on the Hayekian triangle (which is nominal), the unsustainability cannot have anything to do with a devaluation of the currency.

“So we see that Mises, writing in 1949, was really the last Austrian to make much of an effort to explain or predict interest rate spikes. After that, their discussion of this issue, including Mises’ later writings, increasingly took on the tone of a morality play, with the greedy bankers getting their ‘inevitable’ comeuppance.”


Clearly, the socialists and the Austrians are at opposite ends of the spectrum of views on inevitability. Socialists believe that the government can turn on a dime, veering away from economic collapse towards a socialistic paradise simply by giving the right person the authority to print money. And how would the Benevolent One accomplish this feat? According to the Debt Virus Theory, it is as simple as printing money and spending it directly into the economy, rather than buying Treasury Bills. On the other hand, the Austrians believe that a “distortion-reversion process” is inevitable. Credit expansion is unsustainable and this, apparently, is true no matter how benevolent the chairman of the central bank may be and no matter what he spends newly created money on, whether on social programs or in the discount of good bills, at not more than sixty days’ date.

Is hyperinflation the inevitable result of inflation? In America we have only had one bout with hyperinflation and, over 200 years later, the phrase “not worth a Continental” is still part of our language. “In conclusion,” I write in my Critique of Mathematically Perfected Economy, “to Montagne, Cook, Zarlenga and anyone else who claims that they can open the floodgates of prosperity by spending paper money directly into the economy, I say: ‘The Debt Virus Theory is not worth a Continental!’” Debt Virus Theorists’ followers are mostly laymen (for obvious reasons) and, when I wrote this, I fully expected any American with a passing interest in economics to be familiar with the expression, “not worth a Continental.”

Indeed, the collapse of the Continental was inevitable because, having spent Continentals directly into the economy (mostly for soldiers’ wages), the Continental Congress had nothing in their portfolio with which they could buy them back. They were, in fact, benevolent men who had no desire to see their newly-won nation racked with hyperinflation, but they could no more recall the paper money that they had printed than Frankenstein could recall his monster.

But surely the Federal Reserve is smarter than the Continental Congress! Until as recently as last year (2007), I would have responded to this question with a begrudging “yes.” As much as I dislike the United States having a central bank (I advocate free banking), I will admit that, by buying only Treasury Bills, the Federal Reserve has given themselves a portfolio with which they can buy back dollars in the event that inflation should threaten to turn into hyperinflation. Unless the Federal Government itself collapses – by losing a war, for instance – there will always be a market for T-Bills. Selling T-Bills for cash and destroying the cash is a painful, recession-inducing process, as evidenced by our experience during Reagan’s first term, but it can be done. Contra Rothbard, hyperinflation is not inevitable under a central bank.

So what has Ben Bernanke done to make me question his intelligence, if not his benevolence? He polluted the Fed’s portfolio with AAA-rated securities, which I have mocked as being “about as marketable as the chocolate-covered cotton balls that Milo Minderbinder was trying to foist on people in Catch 22.” Everybody knows that, in spite of their impressive-sounding AAA rating, these securities are really just packages of sub-prime loans that nobody wants – what I defined in my Devil’s Dictionary of Economics, as “worthless crap.” If people wanted them, in the sense of being willing to pay cash for them, then we wouldn’t be having a credit crisis in the first place.

Bernanke’s actions have made the question of hyperinflation a murky one. The Austrian’s depiction of hyperinflation as being the inevitable fate of central banking has always been cartoonishly simplistic, and it remains so. However, economists of all schools must now admit that hyperinflation is at least a possibility. If the dollar appears to be losing its status as the world’s reserve currency, what will the Fed do about it? Sell their AAA-rated securities for cash and destroy the cash? But what if nobody is impressed with the AAA rating and won’t buy their securities at any price? Then the Fed will be in the same position as the Continental Congress: Benevolent men who have no desire to see their beloved nation racked with hyperinflation, but who have no more ability to recall the paper money that they have printed than Frankenstein had to recall his monster.

Of course, not all of the Fed’s portfolio is in AAA-rated securities and not everything with an AAA rating is worthless crap. They still have lots of T-Bills and there is a market for at least some of their AAA-rated securities. This is why the question of hyperinflation has become so murky. The bottom line is that nobody – not even Ben Bernanke – really knows what the Fed’s portfolio is worth these days. For this reason, I would be very leery of any economist, from any school, who speaks confidently about the future of the dollar. Is the collapse of the dollar inevitable, as the Austrians claim? Or are we at the dawn of a socialistic paradise, provided only that we eliminate the Fed and just have the Treasury print money and give it to Congress to distribute, as the Debt Virus Theorists claim? The answer is certainly somewhere between these extremes, but where exactly I cannot tell you.


UPDATE

Since this paper was written in the spring of 2008, Bernanke has also begun purchasing commercial paper and long-term T-Bills. Note that the Fed polluting their portfolio is no more inflationary than buying short-term T-Bills; any purchase made with cash created out of thin air causes inflation. The Fed could bail out the automakers by buying used cars and stacking them on top of each other the length of Pennsylvania Avenue and it would not be any more inflationary than if they issued their notes only in the discount of good bills, at not more than sixty days’ date. What buying crap does is make withdrawing cash from the economy more difficult in the event that inflation should ever threaten to become hyperinflation. Causing inflation and setting up a situation in which hyperinflation is difficult to check are not the same thing. This is a rather fine point, but one which many critics of this paper do not seem to grasp.


REFERENCES

Garrison, Roger. 2001. Time and Money: The Macroeconomics of Capital Structure. New York, NY: Routledge

Rothbard, Murray N. [1962] 1970. Man, Economy and State. Los Angeles, CA: Nash Publishing
 
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Since this paper was written in the spring of 2008, Bernanke has also begun purchasing commercial paper and long-term T-Bills...

Interesting commentary, Onion Eater. Although a collapse in the dollar might not be imminent, it is not assured to remain the world's reserve currency for the long-term. Whether or not it is in the early stages of a period of transition that would see its global role reduced remains to be seen.

With respect to the Fed, it has not yet begun to purchase long-term Treasuries. The Fed's January 28, 2009 monetary policy statement noted, "The Committee also is prepared to purchase longer-term Treasury securities if evolving circumstances indicate that such transactions would be particularly effective in improving conditions in private credit markets."

The minutes from that meeting revealed:

Meeting participants discussed the potential benefits of conducting open market purchases of a substantial quantity of longer-term Treasury securities for the System Open Market Account. Participants generally agreed that purchasing such securities could be a useful adjunct to other monetary policy tools in some circumstances. One participant preferred to begin purchasing Treasury securities immediately, as a way to increase the monetary base, in lieu of expanding programs that aim to support particular segments of the credit markets. Other participants were prepared to purchase longer-term Treasury securities if evolving circumstances were to indicate that such transactions would be particularly effective in improving conditions in private credit markets. However, they judged that purchases of longer-term Treasury securities would only modestly improve conditions in private credit markets at present, and that completing already-announced plans to purchase large quantities of agency debt and mortgage-backed securities and to support certain asset-backed securities markets was, in current circumstances, likely to be a more effective way to employ the Federal Reserve balance sheet to support credit flows to, and spending by, households and businesses.

FWIW, Richmond Federal Reserve President Jeffrey Lacker was the one who supported the immediate purchase of long-term Treasury securities. He dissented for that reason. The minutes noted:

Mr. Lacker dissented because he preferred to expand the monetary base by purchasing U.S. Treasury securities rather than through targeted credit programs. Mr. Lacker was fully supportive of the significant expansion of the Federal Reserve's balance sheet and the intention to maintain the size of the balance sheet at a high level. However, while he recognized that spreads were elevated and volumes low in many credit markets, he saw no evidence of market failures that made targeted credit programs, including the forthcoming TALF, necessary. Moreover, he was concerned that such programs channel credit away from other worthy borrowers, amount to fiscal policy, would exacerbate moral hazard, and might be hard to unwind. He supported, instead, maintaining the size of the balance sheet at a high level through purchases of U.S. Treasury securities. In his view, such purchases would limit distortions to private credit flows, minimize adverse incentive effects, and maintain a clear distinction between monetary and fiscal policies.

If the Fed's position had changed since then, I believe that it would have been likely that the Fed would have announced the move given how significant it would be, as well as the need to try to improve market confidence. It will be interesting to see what the Fed decides in its March 17-18 monetary policy meeting.
 
Interesting commentary, Onion Eater. Although a collapse in the dollar might not be imminent, it is not assured to remain the world's reserve currency for the long-term. Whether or not it is in the early stages of a period of transition that would see its global role reduced remains to be seen.

No, it is not assured.

However, my paper specifically addresses whether or not the dollar will experience the hyperinflation which the Austrians so confidently predict. The dollar could lose its status (or, more likely, see its status deminished) as the world's reserve currency without ever experiencing hyperinflation. So that is really a seperate issue, and a more complicated one, because answering it also requires analyzing competing currencies.

With respect to the Fed, it has not yet begun to purchase long-term Treasuries...

It will be interesting to see what the Fed decides in its March 17-18 monetary policy meeting.

You are right. On my website, I will change this sentence to read, "Since this paper was written in the spring of 2008, Bernanke has also begun purchasing commercial paper and is considering long-term T-Bills."

However, I wouldn't be surprised if I delete "is considering" again after their St. Paddy's Day meeting.

Either way, this does not materially affect my thesis.
 
Onion Eater,

I didn't argue for or against the hyperinflation hypothesis. Reserve currencies can experience a decline or loss in status without hyperinflation. The British Pound's giving way to the U.S. dollar during the first 30 or so years of the 20th century is one such example.

I suspect the Austrians are a little too keen to predict hyperinflation. I suspect that that tendency is rooted in the Austrians' aversion to a fiat currency.

Inflation is a far more typical situation. The current recession (maybe mild depression if things get much worse on account of a few other dominoes falling so to speak) could well end on an inflationary note given the risk of quantitative easing (now getting underway in Britain).

As for the point about Fed policy, I just wanted to let you know that the Fed had not yet begun to purchase long-term Treasury securities. I was not seeking for you to revise your paper.
 
I didn't argue for or against the hyperinflation hypothesis. Reserve currencies can experience a decline or loss in status without hyperinflation. The British Pound's giving way to the U.S. dollar during the first 30 or so years of the 20th century is one such example.

I know you did not. And, yes, the pound is a good example of a currency which lost its status as the world's reserve currency without experiencing hyperinflation.

I suspect the Austrians are a little too keen to predict hyperinflation. I suspect that that tendency is rooted in the Austrians' aversion to a fiat currency.

To say that the Austrians are keen to predict hyperinflation is an understatement.

Whenever I post this paper, I invariably get dozens of angry one-sentence "rebuttals" which basically point out that some country (Weimar Germany, Argentina, Zimbabwe, etc) has experienced hyperinflation and THEREFORE the United States will as well.

It is very difficult to talk to such people because their entire argument consists of accusing me of being a dunce who does not know what hyperinflation is. So they help me out by posting pictures of German children making pyramids out of bundles of paper currency or by posting pictures of Z$100M Zimbabwean notes.

At the same time, socialists like Stephen Zarlenga are making tangible gains towards controlling U.S. monetary policy. Last November I posted:

Zarlenga recently wrote in his newsletter, obliquely refering to me, "Professional dis-informers and other opportunists make every effort to block our progress by spreading falsehood, doubt and discouragement. We ignore them." Apparently, ignoring his critics is his only defense.

In Zarlenga's most recent newsletter he gloats:

"This [the official 18 point statement released by the G20 group of countries after their emergency meeting Nov. 15th and 16th] is horrible. They are saying that one of the main causes that facilitated the problem – the notion of so called free market ideology – must still reign unchallenged. This while the only reason anything is still standing in their ridiculous financial world is because of our government...

"There's that old destroyer again – 'Free market principles.' Its their heavy artillery in the class warfare those who these people represent are committed to. You see how desperate they are to bolster this ideology."[/I]

Now this idiot has been endorsed by Dennis Kucinich on the floor of Congress!

Let's make a concerted effort to remind Zarlenga of the critique he dodged in 2006.

It is also very difficult to talk to these people because their entire argument consists of accusing me of being a "professional dis-informer" and a stooge of the "banksters" and similar capitalist pigs.

Thus, almost a year after originally writing this paper, I have concluded that this should by my "flagship" paper, the one that I promote most vigorously and which I become known for.

If anybody at Debate Politics is interested in helping me in this endevour, please go to Is the Collapse of the Dollar Inevitable? Email PDF to e-mail the PDF to your friends and collegues.
 
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I would say not, example from the Great Depression, The dollar held its value throughout the GD; actually, cash money increased in value. It was stocks and other instruments which crashed, taking banks down with it. If you held cash during the depression, you were in good shape. That's one of the reasons why many of those who survived it tended to distrust banks and instead hoarded cash in safe places in their homes. QUOTE]Re: Is the collapse of the dollar inevitable?[/QUOTE]
 
I would say not, example from the Great Depression, The dollar held its value throughout the GD; actually, cash money increased in value. It was stocks and other instruments which crashed, taking banks down with it. If you held cash during the depression, you were in good shape. That's one of the reasons why many of those who survived it tended to distrust banks and instead hoarded cash in safe places in their homes.
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That was actually due to deflation which, although might seem good on the surface, can wreck an economy. We are experiencing some deflationary pressure now.
 
With respect to the Fed, it has not yet begun to purchase long-term Treasuries.

It will be interesting to see what the Fed decides in its March 17-18 monetary policy meeting.

You are right. On my website, I will change this sentence to read, "Since this paper was written in the spring of 2008, Bernanke has also begun purchasing commercial paper and is considering long-term T-Bills."

However, I wouldn't be surprised if I delete "is considering" again after their St. Paddy's Day meeting.

I've got my finger on the "delete" button. At this time, 9:00 A.M. 18 March 2009, the Fed has not yet announced their intentions. However, we read:

"Bernanke and his colleagues have pledged to use 'all available tools' to battle the financial crisis and turn the economy around.

"One option advanced at its last meeting in January is buying long-term Treasury securities. Doing so would help further drive down mortgage rates and help the crippled housing market, economists said.

"Another option put forward in January is expanding a Fed program aimed at bolstering the mortgage market. The Fed could boost its purchases of debt issued or guaranteed by mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac."


Read the rest of the story at Fed scopes out options with key rate near zero: Financial News - Yahoo! Finance
 
This thread makes me feel like a toddler in NASA's Control Room; there are many pretty things, but I do not know what their function is. I was a little bit hesitant in replying.

I think that the concept behind a "collapsing dollar" is a bit misleading. When I picture a collapse, it involves a building crumbling, starting with the foundation. I think we are a bit blinded by our previous economic dominance... that a collapse of USD would result in a mere leveling (which, ironically, can also be used as a synonym of crumbling-buildings). We don't fear the cessation of American prosperity, as I think that it almost completely off the table, but we fear the advantage we had after WWI and WWII when the entire world owed us a pretty penny.
 
Onion Eater,

If you took out the language concerning the Federal Reserve's purchase of long-term Treasury securities, you will need to reinsert that language. Today, the Federal Reserve announced that it would purchase up to $300 billion in long-term Treasury securities.

From the FOMC's statement:

In these circumstances, the Federal Reserve will employ all available tools to promote economic recovery and to preserve price stability. The Committee will maintain the target range for the federal funds rate at 0 to 1/4 percent and anticipates that economic conditions are likely to warrant exceptionally low levels of the federal funds rate for an extended period. To provide greater support to mortgage lending and housing markets, the Committee decided today to increase the size of the Federal Reserve’s balance sheet further by purchasing up to an additional $750 billion of agency mortgage-backed securities, bringing its total purchases of these securities to up to $1.25 trillion this year, and to increase its purchases of agency debt this year by up to $100 billion to a total of up to $200 billion. Moreover, to help improve conditions in private credit markets, the Committee decided to purchase up to $300 billion of longer-term Treasury securities over the next six months. The Federal Reserve has launched the Term Asset-Backed Securities Loan Facility to facilitate the extension of credit to households and small businesses and anticipates that the range of eligible collateral for this facility is likely to be expanded to include other financial assets. The Committee will continue to carefully monitor the size and composition of the Federal Reserve's balance sheet in light of evolving financial and economic developments.
 
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Onion Eater,

If you took out the language concerning the Federal Reserve's purchase of long-term Treasury securities, you will need to reinsert that language. Today, the Federal Reserve announced that it would purchase up to $300 billion in long-term Treasury securities.

From the FOMC's statement:

In these circumstances, the Federal Reserve will employ all available tools to promote economic recovery and to preserve price stability. The Committee will maintain the target range for the federal funds rate at 0 to 1/4 percent and anticipates that economic conditions are likely to warrant exceptionally low levels of the federal funds rate for an extended period. To provide greater support to mortgage lending and housing markets, the Committee decided today to increase the size of the Federal Reserve’s balance sheet further by purchasing up to an additional $750 billion of agency mortgage-backed securities, bringing its total purchases of these securities to up to $1.25 trillion this year, and to increase its purchases of agency debt this year by up to $100 billion to a total of up to $200 billion. Moreover, to help improve conditions in private credit markets, the Committee decided to purchase up to $300 billion of longer-term Treasury securities over the next six months. The Federal Reserve has launched the Term Asset-Backed Securities Loan Facility to facilitate the extension of credit to households and small businesses and anticipates that the range of eligible collateral for this facility is likely to be expanded to include other financial assets. The Committee will continue to carefully monitor the size and composition of the Federal Reserve's balance sheet in light of evolving financial and economic developments.

And the market rallied! Time to get into gold:mrgreen:
 
The Fed has officially admitted that it is going to engage in Quantitative Easing...print money from nothing. Value of the dollar decreases, more dollars needed to buy things that used less dollars to buy. Nobody will want the dollar because it has no value, that is where we are headed. In my estimation, the United States becomes third rate.
Stocks jump after Fed says it will buy Treasurys - Yahoo! Finance

"The dollar fell against other major currencies. Gold prices also slid as demand for safe haven holdings fell."

I think the Austrians would respond to news that I had improved my speed running up Squaw Peak by announcing that it was time to get into gold.

Pretty much any news elicits that response from them! ;)
 
Today, the Federal Reserve will embark on its first purchase of longer-dated Treasury securities. In response, the U.S. dollar is trading lower.

With respect to quantitative easing, the British have been ahead of the curve with respect to the U.S. Although the early experience has shown a decline in longer-term yields on Gilts, some potentially nasty side effects have also begun to appear.

1. Consumer prices spurted higher last month on an annualized basis on account of an accelerating erosion in the value of the Pound on foreign exchange markets.

2. The UK was unable to sell all of the 40-year bonds it auctioned yesterday. Whether the failure was on account of growing competition for global capital among the U.S., EU, UK, and Japan to finance their enormous borrowings intended to finance aggressive stimulus packages or changing risk perceptions on account of Britain's quantitative easing, or a combination of both, remains to be seen.

With respect to the British and maybe later U.S., repeated failures of auctions of government debt could leave the British and U.S. governments with fewer resources relative to their intended expenditures. Such a development could lead to an increased temptation for additional quantitative easing (even if unannounced) to fill the financing gap. Such a development could further undermine investor demand for government securities. In a worst-case scenario, an adverse feedback loop could develop. The outcome of any such scenario would be increased inflation.

In the U.S., there are a few signs of brightening on the economic horizon. The increase in durable goods orders announced today is one such indication. However, in some of the severe recessions/depressions of the past, there have been numerous false dawns. Then, each attempt at recovery was snuffed out by a fresh shock. Even in a better scenario, there were cases where subpar growth resumed but the general economic climate was more akin to stagnation.

Aside from continuing risks associated with the U.S. financial system, possible defaults in Eastern Europe, etc., should quantitative easing lead to an inflationary mess, that development could also undermine any economic recovery that might commence in coming months and quarters.
 
In the U.S., there are a few signs of brightening on the economic horizon. The increase in durable goods orders announced today is one such indication.

Maybe.

However, at Durable Goods Orders Rise Unexpectedly we read:

"Last month’s strength was led by a surge in orders for military aircraft and parts, which shot up 32.4 percent...

"But despite the big surge in demand for military aircraft, overall orders for transportation products fell 0.8 percent in February. Demand for commercial aircraft plunged 28.9 percent after a huge increase in January. Orders for autos and auto parts dipped 0.6 percent as that industry’s struggles persist."


Military aircraft spending is not a foundation on which a lasting recovery can be built. Anyway, at Obama's behest, Defense Secretary Robert Gates recently announced drastic cuts in military spending, particularly on the F-22.

"Lockheed Martin says that its $65 billion F-22 program 'directly and indirectly' provides 95,000 jobs across 44 states."

For more details, see Will New Military Budget Prolong Recession?
 
The Fed has officially admitted that it is going to engage in Quantitative Easing...print money from nothing. Value of the dollar decreases, more dollars needed to buy things that used less dollars to buy. Nobody will want the dollar because it has no value, that is where we are headed. In my estimation, the United States becomes third rate.

well that's the only option at this point. we're running a serious risk of deflation, and one way or another we need to get some money in the economy.
 
I think that you mean that that is the only option that the current government can offer.

well surely you realize that when considering practicalities our best option is lowered interest rates and the buying up of securities. among other things.

what other options are you referring to?
 
well surely you realize that when considering practicalities our best option is lowered interest rates and the buying up of securities. among other things.

what other options are you referring to?

And yet another round won by Friedman and another loss by Keynes:mrgreen:
 
And yet another round won by Friedman and another loss by Keynes:mrgreen:

I really don't think Friedman ever won a round with Keynes. I don't think fly-weights can fight heavy-weights.:lol:

No seriously Keynes is a lot mroe interesting and insightful than Friedman, even to a decentralist. He at least partially managed to escape the idiocy of marginalism and neoclassical economics.

Hayek is the one you want to go to for decent attacks on some Keynesian policies or perhaps Mises.
 
Monetary policy has trumped Keynesian fiscal policy in our current situation. Wells Fargo has stated a $3 billion plus profit this quarter, and Bernanke is the one to credit with his quantitative easing polices.

Monetarism will truly move ahead leaps and bounds if third/fourth quarter GDP becomes positive. All before the stimulus money makes its way in the system.

I am not describing the theoretical argument, but instead the one centered on reality. Stagflation was just the beginning:mrgreen:
 
well that's not the whole issue. just throwing money at banks isn't going to fix everything.

Allowing them to borrow at ultra low rates (0%) allows for a considerable amount of profit to be made. When banks make money, especially in this climate, it is a great sign for the overall economy.
 
Monetary policy has trumped Keynesian fiscal policy in our current situation. Wells Fargo has stated a $3 billion plus profit this quarter, and Bernanke is the one to credit with his quantitative easing polices.

Monetarism will truly move ahead leaps and bounds if third/fourth quarter GDP becomes positive. All before the stimulus money makes its way in the system.

I am not describing the theoretical argument, but instead the one centered on reality. Stagflation was just the beginning:mrgreen:
I'm not sure you understand what monetarism is. Keynes did not rule out monetary policy, he saw a big role for it and fiscal policy is far from out of use. It has sustained corproate-capitalism for 60 years or more, it could not survive without it.

Monetarism is about simply growing the money supply at an even pace. It caused chaos when tried in places like my country and had to be abandoned. It was based on the faulty premise that the money supply is exogenous and can be easily controlled by the state.
 
I'm not sure you understand what monetarism is. Keynes did not rule out monetary policy, he saw a big role for it and fiscal policy is far from out of use. It has sustained corproate-capitalism for 60 years or more, it could not survive without it.

Monetarism is about simply growing the money supply at an even pace. It caused chaos when tried in places like my country and had to be abandoned. It was based on the faulty premise that the money supply is exogenous and can be easily controlled by the state.

Are you saying that monetary policy is not being implemented by the Federal Reserve Bank? If so, do explain.
 
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