Is the Bible Infallible?

[Alfons]

The Bible, in its original language, may very well have been the divinely inspired word of the God of Abraham. I have no opinion on this matter. However, I don't believe the God of Abraham is any more infallible than any other god, so the matter of whether or not he wrote the Bible is academic to me.

I certainly do not believe that any translation of the Bible was divinely inspired, and thus every modern version of the Bible is subject to whatever imperfections its translators may have introduced-- accidentally or otherwise.

Look here:

Bible translation

 

[B L Zeebub]

:aliens1::darthgunny:liar2:angel?:opcorn2:

 

[Alfons]

Thus ends the discussion.

No, only the beginning!

Is the Bible the Word of God?

So far we have built a logical case for the truth of Christianity. 1) By providing evidences from scientific observations we have shown God’s existence. 2) By showing the textual and historical reliability we have proved the accounts in the Bible are genuine and can be trusted. And 3) by analyzing Jesus’ life, His miracles, the fulfillment of Messianic prophecies and, most of all, the historical truth of the resurrection, we have logically concluded that Jesus indeed is the divine Son of God.

The dramatic importance of these conclusions makes it only prudent to take an additional step of verification. Christianity not only claims the Bible is grounded in history, it also claims it is the actual Word of God. That is, the Bible is God’s revelation to man. It contains His instructions to us, written in a manner understandable to men and women alike. And because we have failed (and will continue to fail) to perfectly obey His commands, He has also revealed His plan to save us from His just wrath through the sacrifice and blood of His Son, Jesus Christ.

The Bible is clear about its claims to divine inspiration. Hear the testimony of both Old Testament and New Testament writers..............

Windmill Ministries - Christian Apologetics

 

[Alfons]

:rofl
Whilst we, apparently, have been raptly attentive children, worthy of constant Divine attention in our pristine adherence to the Sublime Will?

This so reminds me of the stereotypical drunken brute who, after years of cheating on, beating on and demeaning his wife, accidentally sobers up one day to find that she moved out weeks before. He then proceeds to tell anyone foolish enough to listen that she has abandoned him.

If there were a choice, I'd answer your poll, "the Bible is the inspired Word of God, and has errors, since it has been influenced by Man."

Read here:

Bible is the Inspired Word of God

Biblical inspiration is defined as the work of the Holy Spirit by which, without setting aside their personalities and literary or human faculties, God so guided the authors of Scripture as to enable them to write exactly the words which convey His truth to men, and in doing so preserved their judgements from error in the original manuscripts. The Word of God as given to us in the Bible is a product of two free agents, human and divine. Through (fallible) human authors, God manifested the infallible and errorless writings, which convey His messages. A natural question is, why God chooses to have humans write the Bible; couldn't He write the Bible Himself much like what He did in inscribing the Ten Commandments on the tablets? Won't this be an easier way in preserving the accuracy of the Bible, instead of through the hands of fallible men? Although God is sovereign and can do anything by Himself, He chooses to have humans interact in His plan. This is one of the biggest differences between Christianity and other religions; with God reaching down to man, instead of man reaching up to Him. We have seen many examples in the Bible, which God chooses to have human interaction. The creation of the Written Word (Bible), the Living Word (Jesus), and Promised Word (Salvation) all share this characteristic.....................

Bible is the Inspired Word of God

 

[Alfons]

I believe in God, and I am a Christian, but I think that the bible, being translated by man several times, is bound to have some mistakes and perhaps additions and deletions. One can read many books on the subject, even History Channel ran a special on the translation from Hebrew to English of the Old Testament and how rather than "Thou shall not kill." It should really be "Thou shall not murder."

Please look above!

 

[celticlord]

Please look above!

Please debate, and leave the preaching to experts.

 

[Alfons]

The is no reason to believe that this book had any divine influence, its a poor source for morality and history, and there isn't a single thing in it that could not have been said by bronze age mystics.

Try to read sometimes the Bible! Please. More about for you!

God's inspired message to man.
Scientific evidences to prove it!!!


[removed for copyright infringement]http://www.bible.ca/b-science-evidences.htm

 

[B L Zeebub]

Please debate, and leave the preaching to experts.

Aw leave Alf alone he's on a roll

 

[Alfons]

Please debate, and leave the preaching to experts.

I debate, and I'm a expert. I've studied the Bible more as 20 years and know the
Holy Book very well. You need proofs, you received they.

 

[Jerry]

Please look above!

Please skip to the last page, lol

 

[tlmorg02]

I debate, and I'm a expert. I've studied the Bible more as 20 years and know the
Holy Book very well. You need proofs, you received they.

Wonderful job Alfons! Where were you, I was getting beat-up on earlier.

 

[B L Zeebub]

I debate, and I'm a expert. I've studied the Bible more as 20 years and know the
Holy Book very well. You need proofs, you received they.

have you really, do you get out much?

 

[B L Zeebub]

Wonderful job Alfons! Where were you, I was getting beat-up on earlier.

reading...........

 

[tlmorg02]

reading...........

I know he is tired!:shock:

 

[Jerry]

Wonderful job Alfons! Where were you, I was getting beat-up on earlier.

We're just waiting for the head to settle before putting this local brew to the test.

 

[Alfons]

The Bible is not history. Much of the Old Testament was said by Bronze Age mystics.

Why do you say it is a poor source for morality?

I suggest you'll read sometimes the Bible - best book of history!

[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible]Bible - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

 

[celticlord]

I suggest you'll read sometimes the Bible - best book of history!

I suggest you not assume that I have not.

 

[Alfons]

I am going to take the other side to increase the interest factor of this thread. Why would it be immoral to kill a witch? The bible says do not murder, this does not mean that you cannot kill enemies does it? According to the bible, witches are in league with Satan, therefore they must be destroyed, lest they lead you away from the path of the righteous.

Exactly, agree 100%.

 

[Jerry]

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[Alfons]

Thats the problem, wiccans do not even believe in your satan so they cannot be in league with them.

Wicca is very similar to Satanism.

Wicca is absolutely saturated with Satanism! Wiccans claim that they don't recognize Satan, but they sure do incorporate a lot of Satanic symbols and beliefs into their religion, just as do the demonic Freemasons. All one needs to do is look for the common denominators between Satanism and Wicca to see the connection. For example: notice the Pentagram symbol to the right, which is displayed at Basic Tenets of Wicca, Church and School of Wicca. Notice that the witches call themselves a "church." The Pentagram is a well known symbol of power in the occult and Satanic circles. 33rd degree Masonic writer Manly P. Hall writes:

"The Pentagram is used extensively in black magic, but when so used its form always differs in one of three ways: The star may be broken at one point by not permitting the converging lines to touch; it may be inverted by having one point down and two up; or it may be distorted by having two points of varying lengths. When used in black magic, the pentagram is called the "sign of the cloven hoof" or the "footprint of the devil". The star with two points upward is also called the "Goat of Mendes" because the inverted star is the same shape as a goat's head. When the upright star turns and the upper point falls to the bottom, its signifies the fall of the Morning Star [Jesus Christ]".

Freemasons and Satanists readily admit the dark nature of the Pentagram, but Wiccans are in denial (or are liars). Whether the Pentagram is pointing up or down is irrelevant to the fact that it is a Satanic symbol no matter how it is displayed...

The pentagram is undoubtedly one of the most prominent symbols of both Witchcraft and Satanism. We have already shown it as it appears on the cover of A Witches Bible Compleat (Illustration page 5,#6). It also appears on the cover of the following books: Bucklands Complete Book of Witchcraft, Raymond Buckland, The Satanic Bible, by Anton Szandor LaVey, and The Satanic Witch, by Anton Szandor LaVey.

SOURCE: THE PENTAGRAM―FREEMASONRY―AND THE GOAT

The connection between Wicca witchcraft and Satanism is undeniable.

Another common denominator is worship of the pagan god, Pan, who is the perverted god of sexual lust and rape. Leave it to Walt Disney to place this hideous beast alone with an innocent little girl in the movie NARNIA. Society is filled with sickos, who produce movies like Pan's Labyrinth, showing once again... an innocent little girl going into Pan's home. Wiccans openly admit that Pan is one of their most revered gods which they worship...

"In the religion of Wicca, first publicised in 1954, the Horned God [Pan] is revered as the partner and/or child of the Goddess (commonly described as the Great Mother or the Triple Goddess). According to Gerald Gardner Wicca is a modern survival of an ancient pan-European pagan religion..."

SOURCE: Horned God - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A book could easily be written documenting the obvious connection between Satanism and Wicca. Wiccans may claim not to believe in Satan, but Satan certainly believes in Wicca! Birds-of-a-feather flock together. Satanists, Masons, occultists, New Agers, Wiccans, Communists, Evolutionists, atheists, and psychics all reside in the same fruit wagon headed for Hellfire.

Wicca and Satanism

 

[B L Zeebub]

I will give it a go Alf after I finish this,clic on pic

Ive drawn the curtain so you cant get me:lol:

 

[Alfons]

You and I do not agree.

I do not embrace a moral code that advocates the stoning of homosexuals. I do, however, recognize that such moral codes exist. I do recognize that, within such a code, stoning homosexuals is the moral thing to do.

You have Allahu Akbar as sign.

Look what is written in Quran about Homosexuality.

Qur'an (4:16) - "If two men among you are guilty of lewdness, punish them both.

TheReligionofPeace - Islam: Homosexuality

 

[Alfons]

pardon me for asking, but what Bible do you know?

the original NT, in Greek, no longer exists. all we have are copies. if you are privy to some kind of information or knowledge that no one on earth has, like for example, lost manuscripts in Aramaic, I would love to hear about it!

btw, do you read Greek or Hebrew? just wondering.

I guess that most of posters here have had never read tne Bible.

 

[Real Korimyr #9]

The argument from authority? I should have expected it from an authoritarian....

The moral is the chosen, not the forced.

The moral is what I say it is. The only reason force detracts from it is that it's inefficient and there are some things you just can't effectively force a person to do.

I disagree entirely, reason can be objective, logical and absolute. It can be conveyed peacefully, and I believe in the power of reason to change minds.

No, it can't. Reason and logic are dependent upon a priori principles in order to reach conclusions, and those principles cannot be proven or disproven. Objective reason can only produce shared moral conclusions if it is based upon shared moral principles... and those moral principles are inevitably subjective.

Reason can certainly be conveyed peacefully, and it certainly has the power to change minds-- but only if the other person is willing to listen, and only if your reasoning is based on the moral principles that they believe in. If you can use their moral principles to support your conclusions, you can persuade them.

Otherwise, it's eventually going to boil down to which one of you has the biggest stick.

Just because you can impose your code by force does not make you more correct. Force doesn't show who is right, only who is left.

And who's left is the one who writes the history books. The winner raises the loser's orphans and teaches them to follow his code, and the loser's ideas and his values evaporate into the air with his last breath. The person who's right is the person whose moral values live longer than he does, and longer than the other guys'.

Only within the context of their code, but that is like saying "well rape is just to a rapist, you can disagree but you've still been raped."

Pretty much. On the other hand, you probably feel that killing a rapist in self-defense is just. The rapist can disagree, but he'll still be dead.

Which one of you has the bigger stick?

Also, given that this labeling is going on in a debate forum, I truly do believe in the power of reason to change minds. If you are a rational human being, and my reasons are good enough you will helplessly believe as I do.

But you're going to define "rational" to mean agreeing with you, and your reasons will always be good enough-- because your moral beliefs will always make sense to you, and you're always going to believe in them. Refusing to believe in your own moral principles is always irrational; it's the only act that can be said to be irrational regardless of your belief system.

 

[Alfons]

I do not "embrace" that code either, I simply accept that within such a code lies immorality.

What exactly don't we agree on here? That it is a "moral code" or that the code is in fact immoral?

The Holy Bible is our Moral Code since many tousands years!

source:Fellowship Canadian Reformed Church