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alphieb - this comment caught my attention.
In my part of the world we're still trying to work out what this is all about. Whats your thoughts when comparing swine flu to the avian / bird flu strain?
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There is not now nor has there ever been any proof that the way animals are raised contributes in any way to the spread of pathogens in the general population of the world.
Actually PETA means People Eating Tasty Animals.
The speculation that this new variation in the Swine Flu is different in fact the new outbreak of swine flu is associated with a never-seen-before strain of influenza A virus that contains DNA similar to avian, swine and human viruses.(Source, Reuters, Via C2C)
During a meeting in 2005 plans were made between the U.S. and Canada to handle an outbreak of the H5N1 Bird Flu. You can read about the plan at ; “North American Plan for Avian and Pandemic Influenza,”
The question is was this Flu a naturally accruing mutation of the three types or was it weaponized in a lab and released into the population in Mexico as a way to get it started and spread widely before detection as a new strain? Supposition as to it's origins are coming from many sources as are the conspiracy theories. One of the usual sources for those Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind! .
As I posted on another thread there has long been a wish by some elite groups to see the world population reduced by over 6 billion souls.
Normally the H1N1 will kill about 35,000 in America and 500.000 world wide and yet this is being linked to Pandemic with less than 200 deaths and a weakened strain it seems is spreading from Mexico. Why this is could be that the farther from the initial source it gets the weaker it grows. However the speed of the spread is alarming, and that is in part the reason for the WHO coming out with it's warnings.
There is also some worry that missing vials of a live virus may be connected in some way as well. (Source
Dr. Gary Ridenour )
So two doctors say it is impossible and that makes it the case? Besides, Ridenour and Adell made that claim on Coast to Coast. That's enough to dismiss them outright.I agree with much of what some of you have said here. However last night I heard no less than two doctors say on the radio say that having three different strains come together in a pig and mutate is virtually impossible in nature. They were Dr. Dean Adell and . Dr. Gary Ridenour.
I wonder why all the hype so early on when the yearly flu does all the damage it does with little notice.
So two doctors say it is impossible and that makes it the case? Besides, Ridenour and Adell made that claim on Coast to Coast. That's enough to dismiss them outright.
BSL-3 is suitable for work with infectious agents which may cause serious or potentially lethal diseases as a result of exposure by the inhalation route (slide 41). BSL-3 laboratories should be located away from high-traffic areas. Examples of agents that should be manipulated at BSL-3 are M. tuberculosis (research activities), St. Louis encephalitis virus, and Coxiella burnetii (slide 42).
According to the news article I pointed you toward, the vaccine would have been made in a biosafety level 3 lab. What does that mean??
Let's ask the CDC : The 1, 2, 3's of Biosafety Levels
What does that mean?
1 - Double door entry
2 - Air flow goes inward towards the lab
3 - The air from the lab does not get recirculated through the building without hepa filtration
4 - The work is done in a 'safety cabinet' that is waterproof
5 - All wall and floor penetrations are sealed
That's not to mention the extra training required to work in one of these labs.
Also, we're not talking about 1 batch... we're talking about batches sent to 18 different countries.... 'human error' doesn't account for that many mistakes all in one shot.
Then again, others have also denied when Merck was CAUGHT in the US giving factor 8 tainted with HIV.... then when they could no longer sell the product in the US sold the product over-seas.
I mean, you'd expect to have to sign off on every detail to make sure that the virus contained in the vaccine was irradiated / neutralized.
Since you are so certain that this swine flu is naturally occuring, can you provide the opinion of a virologist?
Its just another scaremongering sensationalist scandal. I am unafraid.
I'm not certain of anything being natural. You have, however, no solid foundation upon which you are basing your conspiracy theory. You need a lot more evidence if you're planning on convincing anyone that this was intentionally released on the public and that it was man made.
Swine flu outbreak. The truth is ugly.
By Dr. Keith | APR 27, 2009
US vaccine manufacturers bio-terrorists?
Now, nobody here is being told that the present "outbreak" of 'flu was deliberately engineered by a US pharmaceutical company. Baxter International Inc. were caught on the brink of starting an avian flu "pandemic," by distributing flu vaccines contaminated with H5N1 avian flu virus to 18 countries last December.
It was only by providence that the batch was first tested on ferrets in the Czech Republic, before being shipped out for injection into humans. The ferrets all died and the shocking discovery was made.
The scores of people who have so far died in Mexico were killed by a strange virus that has bits of genetic material from swine flu, avian flu and human flu, consisting of an intercontinental mix of viruses from North America, Europe and Asia. This is odd, to say the least.
Scientists said the virus combines genetic material from pigs, birds and humans in a way researchers have not seen before. The official view states that despite mutations which are considered normal, viruses 'rarely' pass from one species of animal to another. So how could this swine flu manage to traverse the boundaries of humans, birds and pigs all by itself?
"We are very, very concerned," World Health Organization spokesman Thomas Abraham said. "We have what appears to be a novel virus and it has spread from human to human," he said. Flu DNA does mix but such an unusual combination does raise the likelihood that it is an artificial virus-perhaps derived from the Baxter vaccine, released only weeks before.
Swine flu outbreak. The truth is ugly. : Alternative-Doctor Blog
Swine Flu is a bio-attack.
So, getting back to topic, it is apparent your 'source' has done little in the way of extensive research in this topic, why should he be trusted to confirm a 'bio attack' on the U.S?
Quote, "Pigs that fly. Cashing in with foreknowledge of swine flu...
A few facts from history:
1976 a similar case of "swine-flu" occured in the States which ended in a disaster. A disaster, not as far as regarding the mortality rate of the illness - only one person died of swine flue, and even that case was questionable - but when the handling by the government is concerned.
The virus surfaced in February 76 at Fort Dix where 19-year-old Pvt. David Lewis told his drill instructor that he felt weak, although not sick enough to skip a training hike. Lewis died within 24 hours.
The autopsy revealed that Lewis had been killed by an influenza virus originating in pigs, therefor named "swine-flue". Government doctors became alarmed when they discovered that 500 soldiers more on the base seemed to have been infected, although not becoming ill.
Nation's health officials urged Ford to authorize a mass inoculation program that would cost the nation about $135 million (appr. $600 million in today's money).
Immediately, Prezi Gerald Ford gave orders for a nationwide vaccination program to prevent an epidemic. His various medical experts likely believed that they were dealing with a virus potentially as deadly as the one that caused the 1918 Spanish influenza pandemic. Not to forget that among Ford's advizers we find the Minister of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld, who later - what a "coincidence - found a cozy bed in the soft pillows of the pharmaceutical industry.
Mass vaccinations started in October 76, but within weeks reports started coming in of people developing the Guillain-Barre syndrome, a nerve disease, right after receiving the shot. Within two months, 500 people were affected, and some 50 had died. All at once, federal officials abruptly canceled the inoculation program.
Pending law suits were washed under the rug.
Business, as usual.
Finally, the "epedemic"-threat was canceled, but not before some 40 million American citizens were inoculated. Later, a more advanced examination of the virus revealed that it was nowhere near as deadly as the 1918 influenza virus.
The only recorded victim from swine flu itself had been our unfortunate Pvt. Lewis.
Fast forward:
The latest swine flu outbreak is likely to benefit - among others - a very special venture capital firm in the US: Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers (KPCB).
I write "very special" because we do find a lot of interesting people connected to this company. Al Gore, anyone? Or does the name Goldman & Sachs make some bells ring?
If we believe our PR-pundits of health we do live in one of the "best of all medical-supported worlds ever". If that is true why is a "farsighted" investment company like KPCB buying massively shares of "pandemic-fighting" pharma giants since 2006?
Although we are told that our health-situation is "best ever" KPCB is speaking of some "new market opportunities"?
See yourself! KPCB is speaking of Engineering New Markets and Strong Businesses!
And they are even that "farsighted" to name their subpage "pandemic".
How in the world did those people know some years ahead what's coming next to a household in our "healthy society", one may ask.
Simple answer: They may have the right kind of crystal ball.
But I have one as well.
And it keeps telling me...
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Similar tone to those government accessaries who always asked "why should people believe that US government is behind 911 attack?". But they did do that. One thing for sure is the Staff of Chief has planed "Northwood operation". To achieve their goal, they don't mind to sacrifice civilians lives.
Isn't the swine flu a mutated form of bird flu?
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