Let's say that the tragedy is someone running over multiple folks with a red Ford SUV that Ford has specifically designed to run over multiple people with, and be as lethal as when running over people. Moreover, Ford makes a lot of money selling accessories for the SUV that allows you to run over even more people with it, in as short of time as possible. Ford also spends massive amounts of money on campaigns and lobbying to block any red flag laws that would allow families and the police to petition the courts to have the SUV taken from people that are deemed a danger to themselves or others.
In that case, how long after such a tragedy would it be appropriate to discus policy options to prevent another tragedies from occurring?
Something. Anything. Like what?F*ck that. Let's just do something, anything. That would indicate our federal govt sees this as a problem.
Tell me about what realistic policy talk might look like?
No one is suggesting passing a law the next day.... suggesting policy is the beginning of the process, not the end of the process.Yes. Knee-jerk reaction to serious situation is usually a bad idea ("inappropriate")
There is a natural human instinct to react hastily to a threat or danger. In the jungle, this is essential to survival.
However in Law, we must take a deep breath and use critical thinking to determine the best course of action on important matters.
Dismissing discussion of policy, even "stupid ideas" is always wrong, particularly when a tragedy exists (and is repeated, over and over and over again) from a policy that is not working.Suggesting stupid, ineffective, agenda driven policy that has nothing to do with the tragedy is always wrong.
Actually since since Columbine at least.I also voted no. When exactly is a good time? We have been talking about this since Sandy Hook in 2012
The GOP has put the NRA above the lives of our children
Impact the supply of weapons. Attempt to provide resources to gun owners that creates a situation where they see that some gun owners are driving the bus that could lead to more stringent gun laws. Try to create a situation where gun owners do more to police their own.Then what can we do?
So there are no "realistic" policies from your side.I mean that the loud appeals to emotion aren't helpful to a policy discussion.
We aren't going to produce successful policy that obviously conflicts with the 2nd amendment, so for gun control like with abortion you need to challenge the law from as many different directions as possible to find the weaknesses in the court, and then craft policy around that. It's slow and incremental, and it requires patience in the face of tragedy.
When your starting position is "WE GOTTA DO SOMETHING!!!" you are not producing good policy.
Doesn't mean the emotions aren't authentic legitimate or real. It's just not what policy is made of.
I also don't see gun control as any sort of solution to the issue in any case. To my eyes, it's more about doing a better job of preparing kids to be adults.
So there are no "realistic" policies from your side.
UBC, extended waiting periods, red flag laws, remove accessories that are meant for criminal or military use. Is there any reason other than 'I want one' for magazines that hold 10 or more bullets?Something. Anything. Like what?
Reagan (and the NRA) took a sharp right turn on gun control in the eighties. Before then the NRA was FOR gun control.Actually since since Columbine at least.
Yes. Knee-jerk reaction to serious situation is usually a bad idea ("inappropriate")
There is a natural human instinct to react hastily to a threat or danger. In the jungle, this is essential to survival.
However in Law, we must take a deep breath and use critical thinking to determine the best course of action on important matters.
Something. Anything. Like what?
Sorry but I have to pin you down here….Impact the supply of weapons. Attempt to provide resources to gun owners that creates a situation where they see that some gun owners are driving the bus that could lead to more stringent gun laws. Try to create a situation where gun owners do more to police their own.
Ban what?Ban something, but grandfather it in for those already having it, so that it looks less like a ban and doesn’t cost so much to try to enforce.
Supply? All constitutional rights are limited. Enact laws that limit the supply of guns. Part of the issue in America is the massive oversupply of guns. Outlaw ghost guns. Pass Red Flag laws. Spend money 'educating' gun owners that irresponsible gun owners are impacting the future of the gun culture in America. What specifically here? I don't know. How about a tax on gun owners that splits the cost of gun violence in America between all taxpayers but puts a greater % on those that own guns?Sorry but I have to pin you down here….
Can you be more specific?
Semi automatic long guns, bump stocks and the like, magazines with 10 or more rounds, ghost gunsBan what?
So leaving single-shot rifles and shotguns, things like that?Semi automatic long guns, bump stocks and the like, magazines with 10 or more rounds, ghost guns
I'm not a gun guy. Shooting is fun, but after I had killed a few animals I found that I just didn't enjoy it. I still shoot at cans and such when I'm with one group of my friends. If I was King...I'd ban them all. But I'm not and I accept that others feel differently. I just want anything to be done so that we can stop saying...'There's nothing we can do.'So leaving single-shot rifles and shotguns, things like that?
So there are no "realistic" policies from your side.
Ban what?
Yes. Psychos who won’t follow laws on the books will certainly follow common sense gun laws.Ypu are kidding right? The Dems led by the CT Rep Chris Murphy as well as Obama tried to get common sense gun laws passed but the GOP blocked every single bill and continues to do so
There was also an activist group led by the Sandy Hook parents who actually took their case to Congress ............ Just the facts .
I’m not a gun guy either. I’ve been shooting a few times and mostly found it to be an expensive and not so entertaining hobby. Maybe a handgun for the house one day but it’s not a priority for me. I totally understand where you’re coming from but as we see here there’s a lot of “that won’t do anything” that goes on with these discussions so we always land on nothing being done. I personally think it would be helpful to analyze this particular shooting and figure out what may have prevented it. You’d say if he didn’t have an assault rifle it wouldn’t have been as bad. I’ll say if he wanted to kill as many he could have just as easily with a few handguns and extra magazines. The idea of “just do something” comes off as a little knee jerk to me but I also understand the desire. I’m always cautious to not confuse activity with accomplishment.I'm not a gun guy. Shooting is fun, but after I had killed a few animals I found that I just didn't enjoy it. I still shoot at cans and such when I'm with one group of my friends. If I was King...I'd ban them all. But I'm not and I accept that others feel differently. I just want anything to be done so that we can stop saying...'There's nothing we can do.'
I’m not a gun guy either. I’ve been shooting a few times and mostly found it to be an expensive and not so entertaining hobby. Maybe a handgun for the house one day but it’s not a priority for me. I totally understand where you’re coming from but as we see here there’s a lot of “that won’t do anything” that goes on with these discussions so we always land on nothing being done. I personally think it would be helpful to analyze this particular shooting and figure out what may have prevented it. You’d say if he didn’t have an assault rifle it wouldn’t have been as bad. I’ll say if he wanted to kill as many he could have just as easily with a few handguns and extra magazines. The idea of “just do something” comes off as a little knee jerk to me but I also understand the desire. I’m always cautious to not confuse activity with accomplishment.
Yes. Knee-jerk reaction to serious situation is usually a bad idea ("inappropriate")
There is a natural human instinct to react hastily to a threat or danger. In the jungle, this is essential to survival.
However in Law, we must take a deep breath and use critical thinking to determine the best course of action on important matters.
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