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I think you're right. They dodged a bullet, basically.
I think you're right. They dodged a bullet, basically.Nicely said, and I agree with both.
I also think that most GOP candidates are breathing a collective sigh of relief that this didn't become an election issue. Some will make it an election issue (Huckabee for instance) but most will run from it with pleasure. Sure there will be lawsuits going on for years but that shouldn't be surprising. And you're right, there is no comparison at all to the abortion debate in this one.
That's exactly right. The polls on abortion have moved hardly at all, whereas SSM has gone from 60-40 against to 60-40 in favor in a mere decade.
The clear difference is that your top court actually follows your constitution. Unlike ours.
The clear difference is that your top court actually follows your constitution. Unlike ours.
It's not like most care about any social issues that occur globally... if they did, The middle east against woman and LGBT would be a great concern.
Or woman in Japan...
Or people in China...
Or woman in India...
Patriarchy still rules outside of west Europe and the US... to a much higher degree than any discrimination you'll ever find in the US.
Engineered polls, every one. If any of that were true, and the SCOTUS knows they're not, the social engineers on the bench would have kicked it back to the states. They certainly did not rule by constitution.
What would you like me to do about gay rights in qatar, other than boycott coca-cola and visa because they sponsor the world cup there? What should i do about gay rights in uganda? See, you mistake not caring with lack of ability to effect change
Actually i think you're wrong as far as some of these. The way women are treated in ME is despised and mocked routinely by westerners. It's also unfortunate that many of the women there *agree* with the notion they're inferior, but that's religious extremism for you
Some of the other issues, people just do not have awareness of. How women are kept subservient in japan is less visible than the beekeeper suits they have to wear in ME, or the fact they're legally banned from driving in saudi and so on.
Then again, i just saw a week ago driving thru some small michigan town a woman in a full burkha on a hot day. Maybe we should admit it's a religious/cultural problem and not a geographically confined one
If every single state separately voted to allow gay marriage, you'd still be whining and comparing it to your 9/11 and that you're going to resist just like MLK did. You're not fooling anyone
If? Arguably the most liberal state in America, California, did vote to ban SSM and the population got overruled by the courts.
I think so. I think we now live in a world where SSM is no longer an issue and all arguments, pro and con, are now moot.
Seriously, that's actually difficult to wrap my mind around. All the time and energy arguing about who is and isn't pro/anti SSM and why they are and are not is moot. Like the ruling or not, the issue has been settled and it will never go back. Continuing to dwell on it and argue it, especially on the anti-SSM side is pointless. You're just making yourselves miserable over something that most likely will have zero impact on your life. On the pro side, you have every right to celebrate, but maybe you could try to be happy rather than hateful. C'mon, it's supposed easy to be magnanimous when you win (and you have won).
I, for one, look forward to all the furor settling down. Honestly, this issue felt a little like it tore me in two, understanding arguments on both sides and feeling that there are good hearted and sincere people on both sides, which was probably the most lonely position of all.
Anyway, do you agree with me that once all the victory laps have been run and all the anger has subsided (and it will with time - it always does), this is essentially a dead issue?
Now what are we gonna talk about?
Getting a simple poll together and sorry about the weird font (I hope it's not huge) - that happens sometimes when I save something to my iPad then copy/paste it later.
If? Arguably the most liberal state in America, California, did vote to ban SSM and the population got overruled by the courts.
Don't refer to complex situations that you are unfamiliar with. .
I didn't. And, it's not that complex.
I think so. I think we now live in a world where SSM is no longer an issue and all arguments, pro and con, are now moot.
Seriously, that's actually difficult to wrap my mind around. All the time and energy arguing about who is and isn't pro/anti SSM and why they are and are not is moot. Like the ruling or not, the issue has been settled and it will never go back. Continuing to dwell on it and argue it, especially on the anti-SSM side is pointless. You're just making yourselves miserable over something that most likely will have zero impact on your life. On the pro side, you have every right to celebrate, but maybe you could try to be happy rather than hateful. C'mon, it's supposed easy to be magnanimous when you win (and you have won).
I, for one, look forward to all the furor settling down. Honestly, this issue felt a little like it tore me in two, understanding arguments on both sides and feeling that there are good hearted and sincere people on both sides, which was probably the most lonely position of all.
Anyway, do you agree with me that once all the victory laps have been run and all the anger has subsided (and it will with time - it always does), this is essentially a dead issue?
Now what are we gonna talk about?
Getting a simple poll together and sorry about the weird font (I hope it's not huge) - that happens sometimes when I save something to my iPad then copy/paste it later.
It is clearly not over. People are still fighting, gloating, and whining. I give it about 5 years before people just let it go on both sides and let people get married without the need to fight, gloat and whine.
The latest and perhaps final frontier in the legal battle over gay marriage in America is a clerk's office in rural Kentucky.
Kim Davis, a county clerk, is one of a handful of officials across the South who have defied the US Supreme Court by refusing to issue marriage licenses to same sex couples. Mrs Davis, who says her Christian beliefs preclude her from facilitating gay marriages, has also stopped issuing licenses to heterosexual couples.
The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) has now filed suit against Mrs Davis on behalf of four couples - two homosexual and two heterosexual - who were turned away when they sought licenses this week.
Mrs Davis has pledged she will not give in.
“It’s a deep-rooted conviction; my conscience won’t allow me to do that,” she said. “It goes against everything I hold dear, everything sacred in my life.”
Two years is my estimate. When you're forced to live with a thing (conceptually, of course, I don't mean in your house) and see that no harm is coming of it,it's hard to maintain a head of steam.
I think so. I think we now live in a world where SSM is no longer an issue and all arguments, pro and con, are now moot.
Seriously, that's actually difficult to wrap my mind around. All the time and energy arguing about who is and isn't pro/anti SSM and why they are and are not is moot. Like the ruling or not, the issue has been settled and it will never go back. Continuing to dwell on it and argue it, especially on the anti-SSM side is pointless. You're just making yourselves miserable over something that most likely will have zero impact on your life. On the pro side, you have every right to celebrate, but maybe you could try to be happy rather than hateful. C'mon, it's supposed easy to be magnanimous when you win (and you have won).
I, for one, look forward to all the furor settling down. Honestly, this issue felt a little like it tore me in two, understanding arguments on both sides and feeling that there are good hearted and sincere people on both sides, which was probably the most lonely position of all.
Anyway, do you agree with me that once all the victory laps have been run and all the anger has subsided (and it will with time - it always does), this is essentially a dead issue?
Now what are we gonna talk about?
Getting a simple poll together and sorry about the weird font (I hope it's not huge) - that happens sometimes when I save something to my iPad then copy/paste it later.
Don't refer to complex situations that you are unfamiliar with. California voted to allow SSM first! Then the the anti-SSM groups led by money funneled in from various religious organizations around the country pushed for a ballot measure banning what had just been passed by declaring that under SSM laws, teachers would be required to lecture students as young as five about the gay and lesbian lifestyle, which was completely bogus and proven bogus. However, panicked parents who didn't care who married who did care that their very young kids would be exposed to sexual information inappropriate for their ages, fell for the lie, and voted to ban SSM just in case.
The ballot measure passed, barely. The courts promptly threw it out. SSM is and has been legal in California for years.
What do you mean "for a while"? The article doesn't mention any long ongoing (in)action. Sounds like she just started protesting since the verdict.Welp, as I said, this kind of **** will be going on for a while.
Same-sex couples refused marriage licenses in part of America's South - Telegraph
What do you mean "for a while"? The article doesn't mention any long ongoing (in)action. Sounds like she just started protesting since the verdict.
In other aspects, let's look at her statement: Mrs Davis has pledged she will not give in. “It’s a deep-rooted conviction; my conscience won’t allow me to do that,” she said. “It goes against everything I hold dear, everything sacred in my life.”
Sounds to me like she should be resigning from her job if her job has become so unacceptably distasteful to her.
"For a while" = we'll be seeing efforts like these...for a while. My guess is it'll be a couple years before it peters out.
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