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Is Racism Objective or Subjective?

Absurd. That's living in a fantasy world.



That study does not support your claim. That's why you don't quote it. Your claim is absurd. The best you can do is misconstrue a single study.

It's ludicrous, on its face, to claim racism doesn't affect black people. To be even more absurd, you claim that racism does affect white people.

You must be joking.

It's a fact that the majority of black people beleive so by the study... seems like you just don't like reality that racism isn't as rampant as you want it to be xD


Dude, I'll quote the study all day... what do you want to know?

"For all racial and ethnic
groups represented in the data, the majority reported experiencing either none or infrequent discrimination.
However, note that there appears to be a statistically significant difference between
the racial categories and reported discrimination experiences (Design-based F(11.69, 1496.80) = 4.16,
p < .0001) and ever experiencing discrimination (Design-based F(4.68, 598.86) = 8.73, p < .0001)."
 
actually the majority of black people have self reported little to no racism in their entire life.

LMAO yeah you're gonna have to prove that claim with actual facts, and what does little to none mean?
My family and community being very well mixed i don't know one black person that hasn't experienced racism. Not one.
 
It's a fact that the majority of black people beleive so by the study... seems like you just don't like reality that racism isn't as rampant as you want it to be xD


Dude, I'll quote the study all day... what do you want to know?

The majority of black people do not believe racism affects them. Quote that.

Self reporting is a stupid standard anyway, I don't know why I'm even entertaining such "reason". Anyone can see racism, and most uneducated people of any race fail to see the less than obvious.
 
The majority of black people do not believe racism affects them. Quote that.

Self reporting is a stupid standard anyway, I don't know why I'm even entertaining such "reason". Anyone can see racism, and most uneducated people of any race fail to see the less than obvious.

That is not my position, My position is that the Majority of black people have experienced little to no racism in their life. And that is in direct opposition to your exclusive position that ALL black people have inescapable racial repression.
 

Maybe you dont understand the question.

your cliam was:
the majority of black people have self reported little to no racism in their entire life.

i asked you
"you're gonna have to prove that claim with actual facts, and what does little to none mean?"

you then gave me a link to a research paper from a blog and seemingly everyday people about discrimination.

So, logically of course, im still waiting for my question to be answered the way i asked it about your statement. What you provided most certainly is not factual proof of your claim making it true. lol

Do you have something else?
 
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That is not my position, My position is that the Majority of black people have experienced little to no racism in their life.

A laughable claim. You must be defining racism as lynching. Black people, statistically, do not get a fair deal in court.

And that is in direct opposition to your exclusive position that ALL black people have inescapable racial repression.

You believe a single misconstrued study speaks for black people? How desperate.

All black people have experienced racism. A handful of whites have experienced racial bigotry, but we can move.
 
I think the phrase "I don't see race" is valid. That being said, I also believe context is important. When I say "I don't see race", I mean a person's race has no bearing on how I treat or talk to people of different races. The color of their skin doesn't change anything.

I can still acknowledge that people are different races and it still mean very little to me.

I would treat a black the same as I would a white, hispanic and anyone else I run across.

I was in Texas looking for a job in a predominantly Mexican area. For weeks I called and asked for a job and was always told there was nothing. During that time, they same office found 3 jobs for Mexicans with less knowledge and experience in the same field.

It took me a month to get a job through them. The difference? I got a white case worker. I had a job the next day when I demanded to switch to the only white worker in there.

It was obvious enough that my wife's family (Mexican) said I should file a complaint.

Pretending like racism isn't a broad brush painted by all races is being intellectually dishonest. Every race does it.


Acknowledging it doesn't make racism against the black community any less important.

Great, now you know how it feels like to be a minority. Imagine that all cities were majority Mexican and you always had to go through this crap.
 
When racial bigotry is expressed by a member of the majority power it results in disadvantage to minorities as a group in perpetuating privilege. When racial bigotry is expressed by a minority it does not result in disadvantage of the majority as a group. Racial bigotry by the majority creates systemic disadvantage. Racial bigotry by a minority does not create systemic disadvantage. The difference between racial bigotry (an individual act) and racism (a social construct) is systemic disadvantage.

How important is personal accountability to you? That's a subject that is largely ignored when discussing racism whether systematic or not.

There is a leech mentality that is very prevalent in the poor community (whether white or black)


Do you guys think of parenting? How dumbed down other society is? When you have kids having kids, how big of a disadvantage is that child immediately born into?

Go look up the definition of Murder. Then look at how many from the black community cried murder in the case of Garner, Sterling, or one it many others.

When the black community is championing these causes instead of one's based in reality, how much does that hurt or help their cause?

When you have to cry "you're a racist" because you have a different view when it comes to race, how intelligent do you feel they are?


Personal accountability, education, parenting, and other factors are in play other than "they are back and oppressed and are screwed by whitey" You have a lot of peope out there like me who don't have a racist bone in their body, but look at a group of people and say "Wtf is wrong with you"

Theres a lot of things that goes into it and it'll never be fixed unless you address the entire situation. Blaming whitey will only get you so far because despite what you see online, there are still a lot of intelligent people who weigh issues on an individual basis and draw conclusions.

I've always said that this needs to be addressed on a more human level. Yes, you can give them handouts. You can give them food. But Ffs, fix our schools that are pumping out idiots instead of intellectuals. We're at the point to where parenting classes would actually be a good idea now.

Less sympathy. More empathy. You're never going to fix racism by screaming whitey did it which is how some approach the discussion.
 
Maybe you dont understand the question.

your cliam was:
the majority of black people have self reported little to no racism in their entire life.

i asked you
"you're gonna have to prove that claim with actual facts, and what does little to none mean?"

you then gave me a link to a research paper from a blog and seemingly everyday people about discrimination.

So, logically of course, im still waiting for my question to be answered the way i asked it about your statement. What you provided most certainly is not factual proof of your claim making it true. lol

Do you have something else?
What about the majority of black people, self reporting, have said they have experienced little to no racism in their life.... do not not understand?

That is the statistical proof... they are accounts of a study where a population was surveyed with academic rigor for accuracy.

I get it, your anecdotal evidence of your life is contrary to the study... but that is meaningless
 
How important is personal accountability to you? That's a subject that is largely ignored when discussing racism whether systematic or not.

There is a leech mentality that is very prevalent in the poor community (whether white or black)


Do you guys think of parenting? How dumbed down other society is? When you have kids having kids, how big of a disadvantage is that child immediately born into?

Go look up the definition of Murder. Then look at how many from the black community cried murder in the case of Garner, Sterling, or one it many others.

When the black community is championing these causes instead of one's based in reality, how much does that hurt or help their cause?

When you have to cry "you're a racist" because you have a different view when it comes to race, how intelligent do you feel they are?


Personal accountability, education, parenting, and other factors are in play other than "they are back and oppressed and are screwed by whitey" You have a lot of peope out there like me who don't have a racist bone in their body, but look at a group of people and say "Wtf is wrong with you"

Theres a lot of things that goes into it and it'll never be fixed unless you address the entire situation. Blaming whitey will only get you so far because despite what you see online, there are still a lot of intelligent people who weigh issues on an individual basis and draw conclusions.

I've always said that this needs to be addressed on a more human level. Yes, you can give them handouts. You can give them food. But Ffs, fix our schools that are pumping out idiots instead of intellectuals. We're at the point to where parenting classes would actually be a good idea now.

Less sympathy. More empathy. You're never going to fix racism by screaming whitey did it which is how some approach the discussion.

Wow this post is VERY telling about you(or at least your point of view) and you don't even realize it.

Very simple question, how many black people do you think ACTUALLY act like you just described? percentage wise, tell us what you think?
 
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All black people have experienced racism...
Which has been effectively dismantled by my posts.... and I'd love to hear any sort of counter statistical evidence... maybe a study? I know you wish your opinions were facts, but I'm going to have to ask for more...as I did for you.
 
1.)What about the majority of black people, self reporting, have said they have experienced little to no racism in their life.... do not not understand?
2.)That is the statistical proof... they are accounts of a study where a population was surveyed with academic rigor for accuracy.
3.)I get it, your anecdotal evidence of your life is contrary to the study... but that is meaningless

1.) you didnt provide any factual evidence of that
2.) again according to who and based on what?
3.) where did i say that? i didnt mention that once in relation to the info you posted and why its not factual but please feel free to make up more comments you cant back up.

Ill ask you again, can you provid what i asked or cant you? Thanks.
 
1.) you didnt provide any factual evidence of that
2.) again according to who and based on what?
3.) where did i say that? i didnt mention that once in relation to the info you posted and why its not factual but please feel free to make up more comments you cant back up.

Ill ask you again, can you provid what i asked or cant you? Thanks.

Did you not read the study? The study did EXACTLY that lol
 
Did you not read the study? The study did EXACTLY that lol

Did you not read your comment in question and what i actually asked you? The study does nothing of the sort LOL

SO when you have something that does answer my question please let me know. Because no honest, educated and objective person is every going to think what you provided answers it. You cant honestly be serious right now?

The sad part is while i found your statement extremely amusing I also find it intriguing and WANT it to be true, nothing would make me happier on this topic when dealing with my country. It would be an AWESOME and feet for america to accomplish. But so far you haven't backed your claim up and many other things show otherwise.
 
You have a lot of peope out there like me who don't have a racist bone in their body

LOL

If Garner were White your view would completely change. You're blind to your own bias.
 
So many joke posts in this thread... Beyond belief that i see things being said along the lines of "its ok to be racist if you are a minority" , like my god, im so sick and tired of hearing this bs. This is like watching tuckers show on fox, and he brings in black panelist all the time, and they say some of the most rationally insensitive things and never get corrected or punished, in fact they all hold on to their jobs. Few months ago he had a black lawyer or a proffesor i dont remember of the top of my head, that was telling his kids to not be friends with anyone white, how can this be ok for a black person but not a white?

People outside of america(im an immigrant) are laughing at us right now becuase how big of a joke the enviroment is, everyhting has to be politically correct, everyone has to lie and twist their words for the fear of being fired or labeled as a racist... Being a white person in america is more dangerous now then ever before... Constantly getting blamed at random for faults of other minorities.

Im so sick of constantly hearing about racial inequality by people like atheltes who are filthy rich and wouldnt know inequiality if it hit them in the face, yet its constantly presented these days as if we are living 100 years in the past, saying that does not make it true.

I feel bad for police officers who are being hunted on false facts about their racial views, and then on the same hand are expected to perform their job even better while having to defend themselves every step of the way.
 
So many joke posts in this thread... Beyond belief that i see things being said along the lines of "its ok to be racist if you are a minority" , like my god, im so sick and tired of hearing this bs. This is like watching tuckers show on fox, and he brings in black panelist all the time, and they say some of the most rationally insensitive things and never get corrected or punished, in fact they all hold on to their jobs. Few months ago he had a black lawyer or a proffesor i dont remember of the top of my head, that was telling his kids to not be friends with anyone white, how can this be ok for a black person but not a white?

People outside of america(im an immigrant) are laughing at us right now becuase how big of a joke the enviroment is, everyhting has to be politically correct, everyone has to lie and twist their words for the fear of being fired or labeled as a racist... Being a white person in america is more dangerous now then ever before... Constantly getting blamed at random for faults of other minorities.

Im so sick of constantly hearing about racial inequality by people like atheltes who are filthy rich and wouldnt know inequiality if it hit them in the face, yet its constantly presented these days as if we are living 100 years in the past, saying that does not make it true.

I feel bad for police officers who are being hunted on false facts about their racial views, and then on the same hand are expected to perform their job even better while having to defend themselves every step of the way.

yep add yours to the pole 3 posts LMAO
 
Wow this post is VERY telling about you(or at least your point of view) and you don't even realize it.

Very simple question, how many black people do you think ACTUALLY act like you just described? percentage wise, tell us what you think?

I'm perfectly aware of my viewpoint. If you can read and follow a conversation as well.


I spent over a year in our city "ghetto" being a crackhead when I was younger and it was very prevelant.


Again, much can be tied to the poverty aspect of it but I also touched on many issue in my posts.

Im not putting percentage on it because I am not that stupid. In no way do I believe its a majority but if you don't think it exists, then you're blind.

People see this. Stereotyping starts. People's perceptions change based on personal experiences. Do you really want to argue that it isn't happening?
 
yep add yours to the pole 3 posts LMAO

I didnt know my post count had so much credibility on a persons views and if they are correct or not.. Maybe you spent too much time on these forums and not enough time outside? All of your posts you are attacking peoples posts by constantly trying to belittle them and have 0 responses that actualy present facts.. I guess sometimes more is not always better, pretty good for a 3 post account id say.
 
1.)I'm perfectly aware of my viewpoint. If you can read and follow a conversation as well.
2.)I spent over a year in our city "ghetto" being a crackhead when I was younger and it was very prevelant.
3.)Again, much can be tied to the poverty aspect of it but I also touched on many issue in my posts.
4.) Im not putting percentage on it because I am not that stupid. In no way do I believe its a majority but if you don't think it exists, then you're blind.
5.) People see this. Stereotyping starts. People's perceptions change based on personal experiences. Do you really want to argue that it isn't happening?
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1.) meaningless to my question and point
2.) also meaningless to my question and point
3.) also meaningless to my question and point
4.) so you wont answer, got it
5.) also meaningless to my question and point

the point is your whole previous post completely fails because if you dont feel that all black people act like how you described why even bring it up? Your whole post is meaningless and irrelevant to the discussion of race/racism. Its like bringing up child molesters when discussing clergy WHY? The things you brought only matter to racists when discussing race because thats how they view black people. If people are acting like you describe yes that could be wrong and needs addressed because those PEOPLE are wrong but at no time does it have to do with BLACK people nor is it representative of them to a person who isnt racist. For some reason you choose to focus on those things like they have meaning and our relevant, they are not. Like I said it was very telling about your views and you might want to think about that. Doesnt mean anything on the surface but i gotta wonder why you brought it up.
 
I didnt know my post count had so much credibility on a persons views and if they are correct or not.. Maybe you spent too much time on these forums and not enough time outside? All of your posts you are attacking peoples posts by constantly trying to belittle them and have 0 responses that actualy present facts.. I guess sometimes more is not always better, pretty good for a 3 post account id say.

translation: you cant defend the hypocrisy of yor failed joke post so you are trying to deflect, got it LOL
Let us know when that changes, thanks!


(sock exposed)
 
translation: you cant defend the hypocrisy of yor failed joke post so you are trying to deflect, got it LOL
Let us know when that changes, thanks!


(sock exposed)

So let me get this straight, you attack me because of my post count, then when i reply to defend myself, you tell me im defelcting? Who are you ADAM SCHIFF? Just constantly lying to anyone who is willing to listen? Im more then happy to debate and talk about anything, but you seem to not able to get past the first few words of any post and simply reply with "trash post or LOL POST COUNT DUDE"
 
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