Is Neo-Marxism something to worry about?

[aociswundumho]

No. Worry about Marxism - it’s still alive and kicking, and it needs to be figuratively stabbed in the heart with a wooden stake whenever you get the chance.

This is a thread for all of my friends on the political right who (correctly) find cultural Marxism to be morally repugnant. Neo-Marxism and cultural Marxism are not exactly the same thing, but they are close enough for this post.

The key difference, imo, between Marxism and Neo-Marxism is that is that Marxism is seductive - not just to leftists but to ordinary people as well. It promises an end to poverty, a classless society, and a fairer distribution of wealth. Even if the details are murky, the emotional appeal is strong: take from the rich, give to the poor, and level the playing field. You can't really blame someone for supporting those ideals.

Neo-Marxism, otoh, is something normal people reject right out of the gate. It demands that we deny obvious truths - like the difference between men and women in sports - in the name of inclusion. Go interview a thousand people on the street and only a handful will say they support biological men competing against women. Same with "equity" versus "equality": normal people instinctively support treating everyone the same, not engineering outcomes based on group identity. Equity sounds like fairness until you realize it means treating people unequally in order to get the results they want. It's simply awful.

In short, Marxism sells utopia, while Neo-Marxism sells guilt, grievance, and reparations, and that makes it a political loser. Memes are really the best weapon against it.

 

[The Populist Right]

TBH, I think if Marx were alive today he would despise identity politics. Yet some want to try and tag him with any type of social justice movement in twenty-first century America.

 

[Grand Mal]

No. Worry about Marxism - it’s still alive and kicking, and it needs to be figuratively stabbed in the heart with a wooden stake whenever you get the chance.

This is a thread for all of my friends on the political right who (correctly) find cultural Marxism to be morally repugnant. Neo-Marxism and cultural Marxism are not exactly the same thing, but they are close enough for this post.

The key difference, imo, between Marxism and Neo-Marxism is that is that Marxism is seductive - not just to leftists but to ordinary people as well. It promises an end to poverty, a classless society, and a fairer distribution of wealth. Even if the details are murky, the emotional appeal is strong: take from the rich, give to the poor, and level the playing field. You can't really blame someone for supporting those ideals.

Neo-Marxism, otoh, is something normal people reject right out of the gate. It demands that we deny obvious truths - like the difference between men and women in sports - in the name of inclusion. Go interview a thousand people on the street and only a handful will say they support biological men competing against women. Same with "equity" versus "equality": normal people instinctively support treating everyone the same, not engineering outcomes based on group identity. Equity sounds like fairness until you realize it means treating people unequally in order to get the results they want. It's simply awful.

In short, Marxism sells utopia, while Neo-Marxism sells guilt, grievance, and reparations, and that makes it a political loser. Memes are really the best weapon against it.

What a useless thread.

 

[SkyChief]

(Classic) Marxism tenets
Historical Materialism
Class Struggle (proletariat/bourgeoisie)
Capitalism as Exploitative
Revolution (violent, if necessary) and Socialism as transitional steps to Communism

NeoMarxism tenets
Focus on Culture and Ideology “cultural hegemony,”
Critique of Reductionism
Incorporation of Psychoanalysis
Global Perspective

I think NeoMarxism is worse. Modern society has history to look back on, and we should acknowledge the perils of communism. Freedom loving people should resist any attempts by NeoMarxists to gain positions of power.

 

[watsup]

No. Worry about Marxism - it’s still alive and kicking, and it needs to be figuratively stabbed in the heart with a wooden stake whenever you get the chance.

This is a thread for all of my friends on the political right who (correctly) find cultural Marxism to be morally repugnant. Neo-Marxism and cultural Marxism are not exactly the same thing, but they are close enough for this post.

The key difference, imo, between Marxism and Neo-Marxism is that is that Marxism is seductive - not just to leftists but to ordinary people as well. It promises an end to poverty, a classless society, and a fairer distribution of wealth. Even if the details are murky, the emotional appeal is strong: take from the rich, give to the poor, and level the playing field. You can't really blame someone for supporting those ideals.

Neo-Marxism, otoh, is something normal people reject right out of the gate. It demands that we deny obvious truths - like the difference between men and women in sports - in the name of inclusion. Go interview a thousand people on the street and only a handful will say they support biological men competing against women. Same with "equity" versus "equality": normal people instinctively support treating everyone the same, not engineering outcomes based on group identity. Equity sounds like fairness until you realize it means treating people unequally in order to get the results they want. It's simply awful.

In short, Marxism sells utopia, while Neo-Marxism sells guilt, grievance, and reparations, and that makes it a political loser. Memes are really the best weapon against it.

Say hello to your fellow John Birchers.

 

[aociswundumho]

TBH, I think if Marx were alive today he would despise identity politics.

Exactly. Marx would argue that obsessing over race, gender, and sexuality splinters the working class, when they should be uniting against their real enemy: the bourgeoisie.

 

[Grand Mal]

(Classic) Marxism tenets
Historical Materialism
Class Struggle (proletariat/bourgeoisie)
Capitalism as Exploitative
Revolution (violent, if necessary) and Socialism as transitional steps to Communism

NeoMarxism tenets
Focus on Culture and Ideology “cultural hegemony,”
Critique of Reductionism
Incorporation of Psychoanalysis
Global Perspective

I think NeoMarxism is worse. Modern society has history to look back on, and we should acknowledge the perils of communism. Freedom loving people should resist any attempts by NeoMarxists to gain positions of power.

Idiot rightists retain the right to define everyone they disagree with, or who disagrees with them, as Marxists
Idiot rightists don't know what the term Marxism means. Idiot rightists reached their Peter Principal level of incompetence when they learned to spell Marxism.

 

[SkyChief]

Idiot rightists retain the right to define everyone they disagree with, or who disagrees with them, as Marxists
Idiot rightists don't know what the term Marxism means. Idiot rightists reached their Peter Principal level of incompetence when they learned to spell Marxism.

Your little tantrum is noted. . .

. . . and appreciated.

 

[Michael Cole]

This is worrying.

Marxism, no.

 

[Loulit01]

MAGA is worse.

 

[fallenturtle]

Neo-Marxism, otoh, is something normal people reject right out of the gate. It demands that we deny obvious truths - like the difference between men and women in sports - in the name of inclusion. Go interview a thousand people on the street and only a handful will say they support biological men competing against women. Same with "equity" versus "equality": normal people instinctively support treating everyone the same, not engineering outcomes based on group identity. Equity sounds like fairness until you realize it means treating people unequally in order to get the results they want. It's simply awful.

Who decides what is or isn't neo-Marxism?

In short, Marxism sells utopia, while Neo-Marxism sells guilt, grievance, and reparations, and that makes it a political loser. Memes are really the best weapon against it.

How are memes a weapon at all against it?

 

[TobyOne]

Marxism - neo or otherwise is a failed ideology and is still around only because of pot head sociology professors. These days, it hides within liberal policies - always rearing its ugly head with identity politics.

 

[Helix]

The current problem is more related to fascist authoritarianism.

 

[Bighorn66]

(Classic) Marxism tenets
Historical Materialism
Class Struggle (proletariat/bourgeoisie)
Capitalism as Exploitative
Revolution (violent, if necessary) and Socialism as transitional steps to Communism

NeoMarxism tenets
Focus on Culture and Ideology “cultural hegemony,”
Critique of Reductionism
Incorporation of Psychoanalysis
Global Perspective

I think NeoMarxism is worse. Modern society has history to look back on, and we should acknowledge the perils of communism. Freedom loving people should resist any attempts by NeoMarxists to gain positions of power.

Advocates of either are afflicted with Economic Necrophilia.

 

[SkyChief]

Advocates of either are afflicted with Economic Necrophilia.

Indeed. Marxism (of either persuasion) is a profound ignorance of economics.

"If socialists understood economics, they wouldn't be socialists." - Friedrich Hayek

 

[markdc]

No. Worry about Marxism - it’s still alive and kicking, and it needs to be figuratively stabbed in the heart with a wooden stake whenever you get the chance.

This is a thread for all of my friends on the political right who (correctly) find cultural Marxism to be morally repugnant. Neo-Marxism and cultural Marxism are not exactly the same thing, but they are close enough for this post.

The key difference, imo, between Marxism and Neo-Marxism is that is that Marxism is seductive - not just to leftists but to ordinary people as well. It promises an end to poverty, a classless society, and a fairer distribution of wealth. Even if the details are murky, the emotional appeal is strong: take from the rich, give to the poor, and level the playing field. You can't really blame someone for supporting those ideals.

Neo-Marxism, otoh, is something normal people reject right out of the gate. It demands that we deny obvious truths - like the difference between men and women in sports - in the name of inclusion. Go interview a thousand people on the street and only a handful will say they support biological men competing against women. Same with "equity" versus "equality": normal people instinctively support treating everyone the same, not engineering outcomes based on group identity. Equity sounds like fairness until you realize it means treating people unequally in order to get the results they want. It's simply awful.

In short, Marxism sells utopia, while Neo-Marxism sells guilt, grievance, and reparations, and that makes it a political loser. Memes are really the best weapon against it.

Neo-Marxism, or Cultural Marxist if I understand you correctly, is so toxic that even the original Marxists would have rejected it. (For example, the old Communists in the USSR and other countries were deeply homophobic, as was most everyone else at that time.) But economic Marxism is incredibly seductive. Have you ever seen the movie The Grapes of Wrath? That movie was based on a book written by a Communist and is Communist propaganda. But it’s so effective that I want to overthrow Capitalism whenever I see it.

I think one main reason why regular Marxism is much more seductive than neo-Marxism because it pits the lower classes against the higher classes and thus unites more people. Neo-Marxism, OTH, does the opposite by dividing more people and uniting fewer.

Mark

 

[joluoto]

Neo- Marxism is a made up boogeyman by the right and has absolutely nothing to do with Marxism.

 

[Scatty Kitty]

No. Worry about Marxism - it’s still alive and kicking, and it needs to be figuratively stabbed in the heart with a wooden stake whenever you get the chance.

This is a thread for all of my friends on the political right who (correctly) find cultural Marxism to be morally repugnant. Neo-Marxism and cultural Marxism are not exactly the same thing, but they are close enough for this post.

The key difference, imo, between Marxism and Neo-Marxism is that is that Marxism is seductive - not just to leftists but to ordinary people as well. It promises an end to poverty, a classless society, and a fairer distribution of wealth. Even if the details are murky, the emotional appeal is strong: take from the rich, give to the poor, and level the playing field. You can't really blame someone for supporting those ideals.

Neo-Marxism, otoh, is something normal people reject right out of the gate. It demands that we deny obvious truths - like the difference between men and women in sports - in the name of inclusion. Go interview a thousand people on the street and only a handful will say they support biological men competing against women. Same with "equity" versus "equality": normal people instinctively support treating everyone the same, not engineering outcomes based on group identity. Equity sounds like fairness until you realize it means treating people unequally in order to get the results they want. It's simply awful.

In short, Marxism sells utopia, while Neo-Marxism sells guilt, grievance, and reparations, and that makes it a political loser. Memes are really the best weapon against it.

Yes we're out to get you. Except it's only you. We're already tracking your every move. That ice cream you wanted to get the other day? It was actually a ploy by the neo-marxists to embrace ice cream a well known socialist treat. The Ben and Jerry Ice cream containers were right, you are under threat from how dangerous we are. Next we're going to indoctrinate you through hypnosis. We're embedding messages only you can see in posts on DP. Over time they'll hypnotize you into becoming one of us. The only way to prevent is to never ever post on DP again. But you will, showing the neo-Marxists just how powerful our technological might is. Perhaps you thought yourself clever by putting on the tin foil hat, but in actuality it just makes it easier for us to read your thoughts. But it matters not for soon you shall become a tool of the neo-Marxist transgender socialist feminist Marxist BLM Loving radical left empire.