Is it time to start drilling for oil in ANWAR?

[jamesrage]

Well, for the record, there is only one place that Air Force recruits attend basic training.

The army is much different,Infantry basic training is only at Fort Benning Ga,the non-infantry basic training is at various Army Post.Part of our AIT in mixed in with our basic training which is why infantry basic training is 12 weeks compared to the normal 9 weeks and then after that we go somewhere else for AIT depending on what infantry branch a soldier has and any other additional schools(ranger,airborne and etc).

 

[jamesrage]

This analogy has no similarity to the current situation. You can be anti-war after being in the military. It doesn't mean people can smear your military service. At least real Americans wouldn't.

Being against the war and being anti-military are two different things,although alot of people who claim to be anti-war are also anti-military.
For exmaple these invidivudals who made these threads claims to be antiwar.But the way they posted nonsense as a means of demonizing proves they are also antimilitary.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaking-news/12129-more-neo-nazis-infiltrating-us-military.html

http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaking-news/11702-marine-says-song-about-killing-iraqis-joke.html





Alot of people who claim to be anti-war are not just antiwar.They hop on every demonize our troops bandwagon,they make seem as though soldiers have nothing else better to do in IRaq than arrest innocent sheep hearders and shop keepers instead of terrorist and insurgeants and every soldier or marine accused of anything is always guilty in their eyes.These same people who claim to support the troops but not the war, antagonize our enemies in the media every chance they get and other people claiming to be support our troops make up bullshit excuses for these scum in the media who antagonize our enemies.

 

[Kelzie]

Being against the war and being anti-military are two different things,although alot of people who claim to be anti-war are also anti-military.
For exmaple these invidivudals who made these threads claims to be antiwar.But the way they posted nonsense as a means of demonizing proves they are also antimilitary.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaking-news/12129-more-neo-nazis-infiltrating-us-military.html

http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaking-news/11702-marine-says-song-about-killing-iraqis-joke.html





Alot of people who claim to be anti-war are not just antiwar.They hop on every demonize our troops bandwagon,they make seem as though soldiers have nothing else better to do in IRaq than arrest innocent sheep hearders and shop keepers instead of terrorist and insurgeants and every soldier or marine accused of anything is always guilty in their eyes.These same people who claim to support the troops but not the war, antagonize our enemies in the media every chance they get and other people claiming to be support our troops make up bullshit excuses for these scum in the media who antagonize our enemies.

Surely you have some proof that Stace is comparable to those people in her anti-military feelings?

 

[jamesrage]

And just how do you figure I'm anti military?

1.)Should the NYT be punished for revealing classified information?

2.)Should newspapers and other media outlets air arugab photos?

3.)Should politicians such as Dick Durban,John Kerry,Howard Dean and John Murtha actaully appologize for their remarks and refrian from making any similar remarks in the future?

4.)Should the media be banned from undermininig our troops who are in a war zone?

5.)Should media orginizations be held accountable if their stories undermine our troops?

6.)Does showing certian photos of nude Iraqi inmates in human pyramids and airing bogus stories of Koran flushing piss off the people our troops are trying to win over and thus undermines their efforts?

If I'm so anti military, why in the hell did I ever join? :roll:

Were you aware that you were a liberal when you joined?

The left likes to infest orginizations and religious groups so that they may currupt those orginizations and groups .I know it wasn't conservatives that made the military more pc.

 

[Caine]

1.)Should the NYT be punished for revealing classified information?

2.)Should newspapers and other media outlets air arugab photos?

3.)Should politicians such as Dick Durban,John Kerry,Howard Dean and John Murtha actaully appologize for their remarks and refrian from making any similar remarks in the future?

4.)Should the media be banned from undermininig our troops who are in a war zone?

5.)Should media orginizations be held accountable if their stories undermine our troops?

6.)Does showing certian photos of nude Iraqi inmates in human pyramids and airing bogus stories of Koran flushing piss off the people our troops are trying to win over and thus undermines their efforts?

Can you tell me how answering these questions about the media have to do with being anti-military?

The media is allowed to do what the media is allowed to do. Thinking that the military shouldn't be immune from criticizm in the media for its actions during a wartime isn't being anti-military, its being pro-freedom. Something military people fight for.

Thinking that the military SHOULDN'T be allowed to be criticized in the media is being Anti-Freedom, not Pro-Military.

 

[Stace]

1.)Should the NYT be punished for revealing classified information?

Honestly, I don't know enough about the situation to say yes or no. But if the information was classified, I'd be more concerned about the person who leaked the info.

2.)Should newspapers and other media outlets air arugab photos?

I really don't see any reason why they shouldn't. That's certainly not classified stuff. And if that's what they want to do to sell a paper or boost their ratings, well.....I've seen far worse tactics used.

3.)Should politicians such as Dick Durban,John Kerry,Howard Dean and John Murtha actaully appologize for their remarks and refrian from making any similar remarks in the future?

Don't really care. They have the same freedoms of speech as the rest of us, don't they?

4.)Should the media be banned from undermininig our troops who are in a war zone?

5.)Should media orginizations be held accountable if their stories undermine our troops?

I'm not really sure what you mean here, because I personally haven't seen anything that has undermined the troops. Just because every story isn't a happy feel good story, that doesn't mean that the media is undermining what the troops are doing.

6.)Does showing certian photos of nude Iraqi inmates in human pyramids and airing bogus stories of Koran flushing piss off the people our troops are trying to win over and thus undermines their efforts?

Well, I don't know, you'd have to ask the people that our troops are trying to win over. Though, to go back to your second question, I don't think nude photos should have been published. That's just bad taste, and not something the average American wants or needs to see.

Were you aware that you were a liberal when you joined?

I was aware of my position on certain issues, but no, I wouldn't say that I was aware that I was a liberal, because I didn't really care anything at all about actual politics back then.

The left likes to infest orginizations and religious groups so that they may currupt those orginizations and groups .I know it wasn't conservatives that made the military more pc.

Riiiiiight.....I infiltrated the military just to corrupt people. :roll: I was 18 years old when I joined. Didn't care about politics then. And when I did start caring? I rarely shared my views with my fellow airmen.

But like Caine said....I really don't see what any of this has to do with whether or not someone is anti military.

 

[jamesrage]

Can you tell me how answering these questions about the media have to do with being anti-military?

Do you or do you not support undermining and demonizing our troops is what those questions boil down to.

The media is allowed to do what the media is allowed to do. Thinking that the military shouldn't be immune from criticizm in the media for its actions during a wartime isn't being anti-military, its being pro-freedom. Something military people fight for.

Thinking that the military SHOULDN'T be allowed to be criticized in the media is being Anti-Freedom, not Pro-Military.

It is one thing to be critical,it is another to undermine and demonize.

 

[jamesrage]

Honestly, I don't know enough about the situation to say yes or no. But if the information was classified, I'd be more concerned about the person who leaked the info.

It takes two to tango.There would be no classified information getting made to the whole entire public if the media did not air or print such information.

I really don't see any reason why they shouldn't. That's certainly not classified stuff. And if that's what they want to do to sell a paper or boost their ratings, well.....I've seen far worse tactics used.

So you think it is alright the media intentially antagonize the people our troops have to deal with?

Don't really care. They have the same freedoms of speech as the rest of us, don't they?

Where you allowed to say anything you wanted while in the airforce?Could you say FTA! while in formation?

I was aware of my position on certain issues, but no, I wouldn't say that I was aware that I was a liberal, because I didn't really care anything at all about actual politics back then.

So it was confusion on your part why you joined the military?

Riiiiiight.....I infiltrated the military just to corrupt people. :roll: I was 18 years old when I joined. Didn't care about politics then.

The left does it all the time.They infest religiou groups like churches, synagogues and mosques in order to currupt them and they do the same with the military and goverment offices.Look how pc the military is,conservatives didn't do that ****.

And when I did start caring? I rarely shared my views with my fellow airmen.

Where you ashamed of your liberal views and that is why you didn't want to share them with your fellow airmen?

But like Caine said....I really don't see what any of this has to do with whether or not someone is anti military.

Because promilitary people do not support our troops being undermined and demonized by the media.Just because you served in the military does not automatically mean that you support the troops.

 

[Caine]

Do you or do you not support undermining and demonizing our troops is what those questions boil down to.

Posting pics of Abu Ghraib is just making news, it is not done with the intent to make all troops look bad.

Now, I overlooked that question about the Politicians. Well, of course, they should not be made to apologize for thier comments. And I'll tell you why.
Do you prefer a sincere apology? Or do you prefer someone to apologize even though they do not mean it?

But no, I do not support the "undermining and demonizing" of our troops.
Only, I have yet to really see that, against our troops "as a whole" from any media source. They target specific troops who have done bad and wrong things, and these fools should be targeted, they failed to act like soldiers, and thus don't deserve to be treated like soldiers.

It is one thing to be critical,it is another to undermine and demonize.

Yes, it is.
I have only yet to see this occur.

Funny, everyone cries that the media is demonizing our troops. Yet I continued to see positive stories on our troops every day. Positive songs, Positive "investigative reports", etc.
And, more and more people than ever take pride in the flag, and buy the little Support Our Troops magnets to show thier love of our troops and this country.... To me it doesn't seem like anyone believes our troops are demons. This is called a "im making something out of nothing" argument.

 

[Stace]

It takes two to tango.There would be no classified information getting made to the whole entire public if the media did not air or print such information.

Well, if someone didn't leak it, the media wouldn't have been able to publish it.

So you think it is alright the media intentially antagonize the people our troops have to deal with?

I highly doubt the media published those photos merely to antagonize the Iraqis. :roll:

Where you allowed to say anything you wanted while in the airforce?Could you say FTA! while in formation?

Depends on who I was talking to. Most people didn't really care what you said.

If I had said F*** the army in formation, most people probably would have laughed.....before I got my *** chewed out for speaking during formation. What's your point? Kerry and the rest of them certainly weren't in formation when they made their comments. :lol: Seriously though, the military operates under its own special rules; you know that. Politicians do not have a separate set of standards like that.

So it was confusion on your part why you joined the military?

Confusion? Where do you get that from? What would I have possibly been confused about?

The left does it all the time.They infest religiou groups like churches, synagogues and mosques in order to currupt them and they do the same with the military and goverment offices.Look how pc the military is,conservatives didn't do that ****.

You'd be surprised. The right is no better, they do the same crap.

Where you ashamed of your liberal views and that is why you didn't want to share them with your fellow airmen?

Nope, I just had better things to talk to them about. Especially seeing as how most of them didn't give a rat's *** about politics. If a certain subject came up, that was one thing, but I certainly didn't go around preaching to everyone about my views. Because quite frankly, it wasn't any of their business as to where I stood, unless perhaps I was friends with them outside of duty hours as well.

Because promilitary people do not support our troops being undermined and demonized by the media.Just because you served in the military does not automatically mean that you support the troops.

And I'm still not seeing where this undermining and demonizing is happening. I would agree that having served in the military does not automatically mean that you suppor the troops, there are plenty of folks out there that are very bitter over their time spent in the military and therefore bash it every chance they get, but I'm not one of those people.

 

[Navy Pride]

Whatever, I am no longer going to argue with you about who I am.
You are not worth it.
In fact, you have been awarded a position on my ignore list, since you bring nothing to most debates, instead you decide to continuously attack me personally.

I apologized awhile back but then you have to make remarks like this

Caine said:[QUOTEI bet the woman who ran the right light was a liberal too right][/QUOTE]


If you can't stand the heat don't come into the kitchen my friend...

 

[Navy Pride]

This analogy has no similarity to the current situation. You can be anti-war after being in the military. It doesn't mean people can smear your military service. At least real Americans wouldn't.

I believe stace was in the AF.........I am still not sure about Caine......I have never seen someone in the military make so many anti military comments........It makes one wonder at the least.........

 

[Caine]

I believe stace was in the AF.........I am still not sure about Caine......I have never seen someone in the military make so many anti military comments........It makes one wonder at the least.........

What anti-military comments have I made?

 

[Navy Pride]

What anti-military comments have I made?

I thought you put me on ignore.. For one when that army officer in Iraq came down on the NYT for releasing classified info and endangering the lives of our military you immediately jumped on the side of the NYT against that officer..............Not something a and EX military type would do....

 

[Caine]

I thought you put me on ignore.. For one when that army officer in Iraq came down on the NYT for releasing classified info and endangering the lives of our military you immediately jumped on the side of the NYT against that officer..............Not something a and EX military type would do....

I did?
I could have swore that I said he was being over dramatic. How does me saying he was being over dramatic mean I support the NYT over him? Is everything black and white with you?
Can someone be over dramatic about something and still have a reasonable point in the "basic message" of what they said? I believe that they can be.

 

[teacher]

Do you remember what phrase reguarding pain that was often said?

Pain in the azz?
No pain, no gain?
I feel your pain?
If ugly were pain Billo'd be in a world of hurt?
Pain. Natures little way of letting you know you are on fire.
The pain in Spain stays mainly on the plain?
Got pain?
Glass doctor. We fix your pains?
Want fries with that pain?
Where's my pants? No, that's not an answer to your question. I'm asking.

"Doctor, I have pain when I do this."
"Don't do that."
"You're a quack, I want a second opinion."
"You're ugly too."

I give up. What?

 

[Caine]

Pain in the azz?
No pain, no gain?
I feel your pain?
If ugly were pain Billo'd be in a world of hurt?
Pain. Natures little way of letting you know you are on fire.
The pain in Spain stays mainly on the plain?
Got pain?
Glass doctor. We fix your pains?
Want fries with that pain?
Where's my pants? No, that's not an answer to your question. I'm asking.

"Doctor, I have pain when I do this."
"Don't do that."
"You're a quack, I want a second opinion."
"You're ugly too."

I give up. What?

/Sarcastic Dork Voice/

Pain iz only weekneessss leavin' da body!!!!

/Sarcastic Dork Voice/

That was the most ignorant thing I had ever heard in my life.
That phrase sucked.

 

[Navy Pride]

I did?
I could have swore that I said he was being over dramatic. How does me saying he was being over dramatic mean I support the NYT over him? Is everything black and white with you?
Can someone be over dramatic about something and still have a reasonable point in the "basic message" of what they said? I believe that they can be.

Why not support him instead of saying he is overdramatic........After all he is the one risking his life because of the NYT revealing classified information............I know you don't believe in our mission there but why not support the troops??????

Oh and how about telling me how you can read my posts when you put me on ignore?

 

[Caine]

Why not support him instead of saying he is overdramatic........After all he is the one risking his life because of the NYT revealing classified information............I know you don't believe in our mission there but why not support the troops??????

Because he is being over dramatic. Okay, someone is being over dramatic, Im going to say that they are over dramatic. Im not going to NOT do something just because they are a soldier. OOh.. this guy is an Officer in the Army, (puke), maybe I shouldn't say what I really feel like because he is in the Army. Bullshit. You false patriotic people think being a patriot means turning your heads when someone makes a mistake, or even when they do something dumb. There is a slight chance that the story being printed by the NYT will cause something to happen to him there in Iraq. A SLIGHT chance. Yet he blew it out of proportion and acting like a wiseass. He is an officer, he should have been a hell of alot more professional instead of acting like a little smartass kid. THAT is why I said it was being overdramatic. What he SHOULD be doing is getting his head out of his *** and staying focused on his mission instead of getting all political in a time of war. Its not his job, his job is to fight, not to whine to news papers about printing a story.

:attn1: This goes the same for those ***** *** liberal soldiers who want to write to newspapers talking about, Oh, its so hard to do this... wah wah wah...

Oh and how about telling me how you can read my posts when you put me on ignore?

You were on ignore temporarily. :lol:

 

[jamesrage]

Posting pics of Abu Ghraib is just making news, it is not done with the intent to make all troops look bad.

Why post the photos of soldiers pointing and naked prison inmates every time they do the story?The media is not dumb,they are well aware that these people go ape ****.

Now, I overlooked that question about the Politicians. Well, of course, they should not be made to apologize for thier comments. And I'll tell you why.
Do you prefer a sincere apology? Or do you prefer someone to apologize even though they do not mean it?

I would prefere that these politicians who are on our $162,100 (http://www.wesh.com/helenthomas/5183628/detail.html)a year dime not go out and bash our troops every chance they get.Soldiers who do not even make half that are not allowed to yell FTA or say what ever the hell they want,shy should these public servants who make almost 200 grand a year be allowed to do what ever they want?

But no, I do not support the "undermining and demonizing" of our troops.


Only, I have yet to really see that, against our troops "as a whole" from any media source.

Your are in denial.Liberalism has blinded you.

They target specific troops who have done bad and wrong things, and these fools should be targeted, they failed to act like soldiers, and thus don't deserve to be treated like soldiers.

Over and over again?The Abu Ghraib scandle lasted for while.Zarquawi's death proably at the most maybe got two weeks worth of press.

Funny, everyone cries that the media is demonizing our troops. Yet I continued to see positive stories on our troops every day.

How many threads have you posted about positive stories involving our troops?Is that zero?

And, more and more people than ever take pride in the flag, and buy the little Support Our Troops magnets to show thier love of our troops and this country.... To me it doesn't seem like anyone believes our troops are demons

More people being patriotic just means the liberal media is not as successful as they would like to be.

This is called a "im making something out of nothing" argument.

I can see why Navy Pride doubt's your service.You fail to see that the liberal media is the military's enemy.

 

[jamesrage]

/Sarcastic Dork Voice/

Pain iz only weekneessss leavin' da body!!!!

/Sarcastic Dork Voice/

That was the most ignorant thing I had ever heard in my life.
That phrase sucked.

It is very funny when a drill sergeant who has viens buldging out of the side of his forehead is saying that phrase,it is even more funny when the drill sergeant has a accent.

 

[Joby]

:attn1: This goes the same for those ***** *** liberal soldiers who want to write to newspapers talking about, Oh, its so hard to do this... wah wah wah...

Did you see that 60 minutes (i believe), were this soldier who was a translator, goes to Iraq, and in the fighting sees an insurrgent who is carrying an RPG try to sneak up behind his humvee, but who is mowed down by the US machine gun. He made it very clear that the insurrgent was sawn in half.

This soldier then went to Canada to escape going back.

All right. Talk about someone who only wanted that free ride through college.

At least the Iraq War will cut out all the excess fat out of recruitment. I bet that the only type enlisting now, rich or poor, are the types of people who realize they're going into a war zone.Bullets will fly. People will be hit. There will be collaterall damage.

The type of people who have seen 'Saving Private Ryan' and realized that might be my job, but I'm willing to do it for my country.

On a sidenote, we should let the ex-Woman wrestlers who enlist into combat zones, dips like the ones mentioned above should be kept out.

 

[MSgt]

Did you see that 60 minutes (i believe), were this soldier who was a translator, goes to Iraq, and in the fighting sees an insurrgent who is carrying an RPG try to sneak up behind his humvee, but who is mowed down by the US machine gun. He made it very clear that the insurrgent was sawn in half.

This soldier then went to Canada to escape going back.

All right. Talk about someone who only wanted that free ride through college.

At least the Iraq War will cut out all the excess fat out of recruitment. I bet that the only type enlisting now, rich or poor, are the types of people who realize they're going into a war zone.Bullets will fly. People will be hit. There will be collaterall damage.

The type of people who have seen 'Saving Private Ryan' and realized that might be my job, but I'm willing to do it for my country.

On a sidenote, we should let the ex-Woman wrestlers who enlist into combat zones, dips like the ones mentioned above should be kept out.

War has always had a way of weeding out the weak. The volunteers of today are exactly what the military wants in order to fight the wars of tomorrow.

 

[MSgt]

I believe stace was in the AF.........I am still not sure about Caine......I have never seen someone in the military make so many anti military comments........It makes one wonder at the least.........

Damn. Are you still on this? The man was in the Army. I have seen many former soldiers make dessenting (too tired to check spelling) comments. It is possible to serve and not agree with the current happenings. A very good Sergeant (who last week had an interview with the White House as the Marine representative) for a duty station) of mine is a nasty card carrying Democrat and absolutely loves the Clintons. Now, I understand this, because he wasn't in during those times and doesn't quite understand what the man did to us, but that is his love affair. He does not agree with President Bush and his "lies" about WMD, but very much agrees with the war in Iraq and support of Israel against terrorist organizations. However, he hates President Bush.

It has nothing to do with his service and his ability to kill the enemy.

 

[teacher]

This soldier then went to Canada to escape going back.

That guy was not honest with himself when he raised his right hand. Give him a General Discharge and a bus ticket. If you ain't got it you ain't got it. Not his fault he's a Nancy Boy. But come to think of it that should be a question in the pre enlistment interview. "Can you kill a man"?