Is it possible that US weapons end up in Russian control?

[Fledermaus]

Not the point. It will only be a short term advantage for them, however it is still 7 billion worth of high tech military equipment that they can sell to some of our more technically gifted enemies.

Just watch those goalposts move at the speed of light....

 

[Questerr]

There was an asston of regular small arms and such as well.

Yeah, that’s what I said.

 

[Questerr]

Biden was warned that the Afghan Army was likely to fold and he simply did not care. he negoatiated with the Taliban, not the Afghan Army if we were going to go for a complete and rapid withdrawal, we should have pulled the miliarty hardware as well. Now murderous terrorists are in possession of blackhawk helicopters, C130s, etc.

TRUMP negotiated with the Taliban.

And who ****ing cares if they have 50 year old transport (not attack, TRANSPORT) helicopters, and 70 year old cargo planes?

 

[Questerr]

Not the point. It will only be a short term advantage for them, however it is still 7 billion worth of high tech military equipment that they can sell to some of our more technically gifted enemies.

There is no universe in which C-130’s and Blackhawks are “high tech” in 2022.

You realize every single one of our enemies already has aircraft that equal or superior to all the equipment we sold the Afghanis, yes? We’re not talking about the Taliban getting F-35’s.

 

[Questerr]

You seem confused. the weapons that we left behind were not in enemy hands. They were primarily left behind the remaining US military airbase. They were in the hands of the remaining 2500 US troops before the withdrawal.

They have already crashed one, however they have managed to fly another. On their own, the Taliban will not be able to do much with them or at least for very long, however they can sell them to some of our more capable enemies, which would in the least be an intelligence win for say China or Russia?

No it wouldn’t. China and Russia already have equivalents to Blackhawks in their possession. Hell, China operates the S-70 under license which is literally the Blackhawk.

 

[Questerr]

Biden did not follow the deal Trump struck with the Taliban. When you get straight on that, get back to me.

So you admit you were lying when you claimed it was Biden and not Trump who negotiated with the Taliban?

 

[Galactic Spin]

Uncle Sam has sent a lot of weapons to Ukraine. Is anything preventing Russia from using those weapons, if they obtain them?

I say no. I say someone thought of that before you did. And there are contingencies in place.

 

[bullseyelqcs]

Nothing about following any previous deal necessitated the utter logistics failure of the Biden pullout.

The logistics fail occured before he took office.

When Trump pulled 13K+ troops in December of the year before and DIDN'T have them take all the equipment with them, he put this whole debacle in motion. If you recall, some people actually questioned if that was his plan to begin with.....to leave that stuff in Taliban hands so they could then sell it to the Russians, thus keeping him from having to directly sell us out and give it to them himself.

Try all you want, the issue wasn't Bidens fault, and anyone paying attention damn well knew it.

 

[bullseyelqcs]

Please share how the troops left from the Trump pullout was going to rectify the issue.

They seem to all have forgotten that it was Trump who pulled 13K troops and didn't have them take the equipment they had with them when they left. They talk about the C-130's that got left behind, but never question why the guys who could PILOT said aircraft were flying Space A on other planes leaving the area.

It would be laughable if it weren't so sad and potentially destructive to discussion.

 

[Fishking]

The logistics fail occured before he took office.

Try all you want, the issue wasn't Bidens fault, and anyone paying attention damn well knew it.

I'm sorry you don't know what the **** you're talking about. That's not something I can remedy. But, here in the real world, the pull out of Afghanistan was Biden's to execute and he utter failed at it. They had people falling off of clinging to transport planes for ****s sake. An airfield should be more secure than that.

 

[VySky]

You posted this in the wrong forum. Here, let me point you in the right direction:

Conspiracy Theories

Secret plots, UFO's, area 51, alternative histories, media paranoia, 911 truthers, assassinations and X-Files.

debatepolitics.com

Actually the OP is right. We leave stuff behind for the enemy

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Taliban throws victory parade with US military equipment

Islamist fighters staged victory parades Wednesday in Kandahar, Afghanistan’s second-biggest city, as they showed off the US military hardware they’ve now seized.

nypost.com

https://www.cnn.com/2016/08/08/politics/isis-us-equipment/index.html

 

[bullseyelqcs]

I'm sorry you don't know what the **** you're talking about. That's not something I can remedy. But, here in the real world, the pull out of Afghanistan was Biden's to execute and he utter failed at it. They had people falling off of clinging to transport planes for ****s sake. An airfield should be more secure than that.

Man, if only they had had a few more troops to help facilitate that, right?

Its almost like you can't put two and two together properly. The troops that would have been required to accomplish the goal you stated above were shipped out damn near a year before the exit. Those troops were pulled from the area not by Biden, but by the guy in office before him.

I know exactly what I'm talking about. Its almost like Trump intentionally left the withdrawal in a state that was going to be a cluster**** no matter who was at the helm when it finally went down. I mean, its not like it was going to be any more feasible for the few troops he left behind to pull off the impossible simply because HE was the President had he won the election....or are you one of those that thinks that simply because the President would have been different, the outcome would have also been different?

In the real world, the terms for the withdrawl were agreed to by someone else....poorly, I might add. Biden did the best he could with the dumpster fire that he was left with.

The one correct thing you said was that an airfield should be more secure than that.....too bad Trump didn't leave the resources in place to make that happen, right?

 

[Fishking]

Man, if only they had had a few more troops to help facilitate that, right?

Its almost like you can't put two and two together properly. The troops that would have been required to accomplish the goal you stated above were shipped out damn near a year before the exit. Those troops were pulled from the area not by Biden, but by the guy in office before him.

I know exactly what I'm talking about. Its almost like Trump intentionally left the withdrawal in a state that was going to be a cluster**** no matter who was at the helm when it finally went down. I mean, its not like it was going to be any more feasible for the few troops he left behind to pull off the impossible simply because HE was the President had he won the election....or are you one of those that thinks that simply because the President would have been different, the outcome would have also been different?

In the real world, the terms for the withdrawl were agreed to by someone else....poorly, I might add. Biden did the best he could with the dumpster fire that he was left with.

The one correct thing you said was that an airfield should be more secure than that.....too bad Trump didn't leave the resources in place to make that happen, right?

Gd your posts are so ****ing dumb. You know Biden was the President at that time, right? Not Trump? You know what, right? You're trying to blame someone who was not the CiC for what the actually CiC did. The funny thing is that even a lot of the left understand the Biden ****ed it up but you're still clicking to your dumb**** false narrative.

Biden got people killed, Afghani civilians and US Service members, because of his poor execution. If there weren't enough resources there to make it happen, it was on him to remedy it.

 

[MAGAnificent]

So you admit you were lying when you claimed it was Biden and not Trump who negotiated with the Taliban?

Try thinking just a bit deeper. Both through channels negotiated with the Taliban.

 

[Fledermaus]

Gd your posts are so ****ing dumb. You know Biden was the President at that time, right? Not Trump? You know what, right? You're trying to blame someone who was not the CiC for what the actually CiC did. The funny thing is that even a lot of the left understand the Biden ****ed it up but you're still clicking to your dumb**** false narrative.

Biden got people killed, Afghani civilians and US Service members, because of his poor execution. If there weren't enough resources there to make it happen, it was on him to remedy it.

Who pulled out the majority of the troops leaving only a token force?

 

[Fishking]

Who pulled out the majority of the troops leaving only a token force?

Who was the CiC that executed the pullout?

 

[Fledermaus]

Who was the CiC that executed the pullout?

With less troops than was needed thanks to the prior CiC.

 

[bullseyelqcs]

Gd your posts are so ****ing dumb. You know Biden was the President at that time, right? Not Trump? You know what, right? You're trying to blame someone who was not the CiC for what the actually CiC did. The funny thing is that even a lot of the left understand the Biden ****ed it up but you're still clicking to your dumb**** false narrative.

What false narrative? What have I said that isn't factually correct? Lets recap, shall we?

Who pulled the 13K troops out of Afghanistan in December of the prior year and didn't have them take the equipment left behind with them? Trump, right?

Who negotiated the withdrawal with the Taliban and didn't include the Afghanis' in those discussions? Trump, right?

Who is on record saying that if he won the election, he would have begun pulling everyone else out of country in April of that year, not September? Trump, right?

So, what we have above is a long line of **** ups that Biden had absolutely NOTHING to do with. Those **** ups predicated what followed, which was the absolute goatrope that it turned into. All that said, unless its your belief that Biden should have further damaged our reputation around the world by not adhering the schedule Trump negotiated, then its not like he had all that many other options.

Biden got people killed, Afghani civilians and US Service members, because of his poor execution. If there weren't enough resources there to make it happen, it was on him to remedy it.

Biden didn't get anyone killed. If anyone did, it was the previous guy. When your hands are tied, you make the best out of a bad situation.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Who pulled out the majority of the troops leaving only a token force?

That so called token force was a repeat of Obamas plan and had things well in hand compared to the utter chaos brought on by Biden. The Afghan army at that point was doing the brunt of the fighting with the US troops primarily providing air support. There were only in the neighborhood of 12 hostile deaths of US troops in Trumps last 18 months. 13 were killed in one day in Biden's chaotic hasty withdrawal.

 

[bullseyelqcs]

Who was the CiC that executed the pullout?

You do realize that the pullout had begun almost a full ****ing year before wheels up in September, right? So the answer to your question would be the guy who started the whole thing ****ed up.

 

[bullseyelqcs]

That so called token force was a repeat of Obamas plan and had things well in hand compared to the utter chaos brought on by Biden.

What chaos was that, exactly? All he did was follow the huckabuck ass plan Trump set up with the Taliban. I mean, we might be able to find some common ground if you are admitting that the plan itself was bullshit and would have failed regardless of who was running shit at the time.

The Afghan army at that point was doing the brunt of the fighting with the US troops primarily providing air support. There were only in the neighborhood of 12 hostile deaths of US troops in Trumps last 18 months. 13 were killed in one day in Biden's chaotic hasty withdrawal. 13 were killed in one day in the execution of Trumps withdrawal plan.

I fixed that last line for you.

 

[MAGAnificent]

There is no universe in which C-130’s and Blackhawks are “high tech” in 2022.

Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! The Blackhawks are not huigh tech? they very much are. And so are the modern versions of the C-130s.

You realize every single one of our enemies already has aircraft that equal or superior to all the equipment we sold the Afghanis, yes?

Competitors to, not equal

We’re not talking about the Taliban getting F-35’s.

So you think only the F-35s are high tech?

 

[MAGAnificent]

What chaos was that, exactly?

Are you for real?

I fixed that last line for you.

Since I can't take your statement quoted above seriously I did not bother to read whatever you claim you fixed.

 

[Questerr]

Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! The Blackhawks are not huigh tech? they very much are. And so are the modern versions of the C-130s.

Competitors to, not equal

So you think only the F-35s are high tech?

Blackhawks are 50 year old technology. They aren’t high tech. And the C-130’s the Afghanis got weren’t the latest versions.

Nothing the Afghanis had was high tech.

 

[bullseyelqcs]

Are you for real?

Hell yeah I was for real.

I was asking you to explain what chaos Biden himself created that wouldn't have been present in the execution of the plan Trump set up with the Taliban. The question still stands.

Since I can't take your statement quoted above seriously I did not bother to read whatever you claim you fixed.

You should have, it was a valid question. If you are scared or incapable of answering, just say so. I won't think less of you.