Is it possible that US weapons end up in Russian control?

[MAGAnificent]

Again, what was Biden supposed to do, demand the Afghan Army turn in their equipment?

Biden was warned that the Afghan Army was likely to fold and he simply did not care. he negoatiated with the Taliban, not the Afghan Army if we were going to go for a complete and rapid withdrawal, we should have pulled the miliarty hardware as well. Now murderous terrorists are in possession of blackhawk helicopters, C130s, etc.

 

[Fledermaus]

Biden was warned that the Afghan Army was likely to fold and he simply did not care. he negoatiated with the Taliban, not the Afghan Army if we were going to go for a complete and rapid withdrawal, we should have pulled the miliarty hardware as well. Now murderous terrorists are in possession of blackhawk helicopters, C130s, etc.

And who is going to maintain and support those assets?

 

[MAGAnificent]

And who is going to maintain and support those assets?

Not the point. It will only be a short term advantage for them, however it is still 7 billion worth of high tech military equipment that they can sell to some of our more technically gifted enemies.

 

[Tigerace117]

Biden was warned that the Afghan Army was likely to fold and he simply did not care. he negoatiated with the Taliban, not the Afghan Army if we were going to go for a complete and rapid withdrawal, we should have pulled the miliarty hardware as well. Now murderous terrorists are in possession of blackhawk helicopters, C130s, etc.

What was he supposed to do? Demanding the weapons back would have made them collapse effectively instantaneously before the withdrawal could even start, as it would have been a colossal show of the US’ complete lack of belief in the government we spent twenty years propping up.

Nor is there any reason to believe they would have agreed to give us the weapons in the first place.

And as for the last.....so what? The Taliban owning Blackhawks means essentially nothing. What do you fantasize they are going to do with these aircraft?

 

[Antiwar]

You didn't read the thread.

Yet claimed you did.

Got it.

And the citation does NOT support the claim of 80 billion dollars worth of US weapons (original claim). Nor 73 billion. Nor 7 billion in US weapons.

As if me supposedly claiming to have read this entire thread is important: I don't read most of your nor @LetsGoBrandon's comments, so there are two good reasons for why I didn't notice you were going back and forth about Afghanistan in a Ukraine thread. Now that he's posted a $7B citation, you're quibbling about that. $2T is estimated to have gone into the failed (<= considering the purported mission) US militarism effort in Afghanistan.

 

[bullseyelqcs]

Baloney.

How so, and DO try to come with some facts to back up your point?

From what right wing media kept telling us, there was no plan in place for the pullout. Now, if we take them at face value, the part that didn't get said is that that means when Donald had plans for us to be out in April, THERE WAS NO PLAN TO GET IT DONE. That means that 6 months earlier, there was no plan for how to do it, but there was a plan for doing it anyway. That makes it about 10 times more likely that the goatrope that happened would have been significantly worse had Donald pulled the trigger on HIS original plan and desires.

Ball in your court. Explain how it would have miraculously been different. Keep in mind that "because Trump would have been in charge" on its own is not proof of shit.

 

[Fledermaus]

I don't read most of your nor @LetsGoBrandon's comments, so there's two good reasons for why I didn't notice you were going back and forth about Afghanistan in a Ukraine thread. Now that he's posted a $7B citation, you're quibbling about that. $2T is estimated to have gone into the failed (,= considering the purported mission) US militarism effort in Afghanistan.

His link does not support the claim of 7 billion IN WEAPONS claimed by Brandon.

Claim debunked.

 

[MAGAnificent]

What was he supposed to do? Demanding the weapons back would have made them collapse effectively instantaneously before the withdrawal could even start, as it would have been a colossal show of the US’ complete lack of belief in the government we spent twenty years propping up.

Nor is there any reason to believe they would have agreed to give us the weapons in the first place.

You seem confused. the weapons that we left behind were not in enemy hands. They were primarily left behind the remaining US military airbase. They were in the hands of the remaining 2500 US troops before the withdrawal.

And as for the last.....so what? The Taliban owning Blackhawks means essentially nothing. What do you fantasize they are going to do with these aircraft?

They have already crashed one, however they have managed to fly another. On their own, the Taliban will not be able to do much with them or at least for very long, however they can sell them to some of our more capable enemies, which would in the least be an intelligence win for say China or Russia?

 

[Antiwar]

His link does not support the claim of 7 billion IN WEAPONS claimed by Brandon.

Claim debunked.

An exact accounting of weapons left behind within an estimated $7B in "military equipment" wouldn't change what seems to be your blind support of US militarism and its utter stupidity.

 

[bullseyelqcs]

Biden was warned that the Afghan Army was likely to fold and he simply did not care. he negoatiated with the Taliban, not the Afghan Army if we were going to go for a complete and rapid withdrawal, we should have pulled the miliarty hardware as well. Now murderous terrorists are in possession of blackhawk helicopters, C130s, etc.

So lets try to get this straight....

You want to hold Biden responsible for the deal that Trump struck with the Taliban (and only the Taliban, the Afghanis weren't included in those discussions)? How the hell do you say this shit with a straight face given the fact that all of this stuff is basically public record?

We couldn't pull the hardware because Trump pulled 87% of the troops in country BEFORE his desired exit time of April. So explain to us how the hell HE planned on getting our equipment out of the theatre? Simple fact of the matter is he DIDN'T and he damn well knew it.

The end result was going to be the same. The only difference would be the circumstances surrounding it....on the one hand, you would have had an unfortunate situation that was basically impossible to avoid, and on the other hand, you would have had this being the desired result. For all of our sakes, Trump lost and we didn't have to actually question if our President was setting us up for failure intentionally.

 

[Fledermaus]

An exact accounting of an estimated $7B in "miiltary equipment" wouldn't change what seems to be your blind support of US militarism and its utter stupidity.

US militarism

EVERYBODY DRINK!

 

[MAGAnificent]

You want to hold Biden responsible for the deal that Trump struck with the Taliban

Biden did not follow the deal Trump struck with the Taliban. When you get straight on that, get back to me.

 

[Tigerace117]

You seem confused. the weapons that we left behind were not in enemy hands. They were primarily left behind the remaining US military airbase. They were in the hands of the remaining 2500 US troops before the withdrawal.

They have already crashed one, however they have managed to fly another. On their own, the Taliban will not be able to do much with them or at least for very long, however they can sell them to some of our more capable enemies, which would in the least be an intelligence win for say China or Russia?

Not really considering the fact China has owned civilian versions of the Blackhawk since 1984. Thanks, Reagan!

 

[bullseyelqcs]

You seem confused. the weapons that we left behind were not in enemy hands. They were primarily left behind the remaining US military airbase. They were in the hands of the remaining 2500 US troops before the withdrawal.

You seem confused as well. Explain to the class how the remaining 2500 troops were supposed to get all of that equipment out of the country. Or do you think that just anyone can fire up a Blackhawk and pilot it out of the theatre.

They have already crashed one, however they have managed to fly another. On their own, the Taliban will not be able to do much with them or at least for very long, however they can sell them to some of our more capable enemies, which would in the least be an intelligence win for say China or Russia?

You should be asking Trump why he didn't have the troops that he pulled in December of the prior year take that stuff with them when THEY left.

 

[Antiwar]

US militarism

EVERYBODY DRINK!

The VFW probably isn't serving alcohol this early in the morning, even if it (your church) is open.

 

[bullseyelqcs]

Biden did not follow the deal Trump struck with the Taliban. When you get straight on that, get back to me.

Correct.....because he stayed in country 6 MONTHS longer than Trump told the Taliban we would be there. Had he followed the deal Trump struck, we would have had 6 months LESS to plan than we did. Anything else is just superfluous bullshit.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

First on CNN: US left behind $7 billion of military equipment in Afghanistan after 2021 withdrawal, Pentagon report says | CNN Politics

Approximately $7 billion of military equipment the US transferred to the Afghan government over the course of 16 years was left behind in Afghanistan after the US completed its withdrawal from the country in August, according to a congressionally mandated report from the US Department of Defense...

www.cnn.com

Not all of us spend 24 hours a day on the talkboards.

I don’t gather facts/information from “talkboards”.
Are “talkboards” where you get all of your idiotic disinformation from?

I am more concerned with the 80 billion dollars worth of US weapons ….

Trump had no intention to impose such aa rapid chaotic withdrawal.

You don't consider blackhawk helicopters high tech weapons?

No need to answer the question. The answer is obvious.

 

[Fishking]

It was the Afghan military’s equipment. The majority of it simple trucks and small arms. The stuff like helicopters are going to be grounded due to lack of maintenance and spare parts.

There was an asston of regular small arms and such as well.

 

[Fishking]

Correct.....because he stayed in country 6 MONTHS longer than Trump told the Taliban we would be there. Had he followed the deal Trump struck, we would have had 6 months LESS to plan than we did. Anything else is just superfluous bullshit.

Nothing about following any previous deal necessitated the utter logistics failure of the Biden pullout.

 

[Fledermaus]

There was an asston of regular small arms and such as well.

Yep. No where near 7 billion though.

 

[Fledermaus]

Nothing about following any previous deal necessitated the utter logistics failure of the Biden pullout.

Please share how the troops left from the Trump pullout was going to rectify the issue.

 

[iguanaman]

I am more concerned with the 80 billion dollars worth of US weapons Dementia Joe gifted to the Taliban in that hasty pull out.

LOL Like this?

 

[Fishking]

Please share how the troops left from the Trump pullout was going to rectify the issue.

What do you mean by "rectify the issue"? What issue do you think I'm talking about, because I don't think we're talking about the same thing.

 

[Fledermaus]

What do you mean by "rectify the issue"? What issue do you think I'm talking about, because I don't think we're talking about the same thing.

The issue YOU brought up.

The "utter logistics failure".

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Not the point. It will only be a short term advantage for them, however it is still 7 billion worth of high tech military equipment that they can sell to some of our more technically gifted enemies.

Lying, or didn’t read your own CNN reference?

The U.S. didn’t leave $7B worth “high tech military equipment”.