Is it OK to publicly state whome you dis-like?

[Flea]

Is it OK to publicly state whome you dis-like?

It is obvious that people hate each other. This stems from former NBA star Tim Hardaway and his recent comments stating how vehemetly he is disgusted by and has nothing to do with homosexuals, and his subsequent "Apology" that was essentially a joke (not literally) and made for ONLY P.C. reasons. It was obvious that he did not mean a word of his apology, but people seem to accept it.

Well, can you publicly state that you dis-like Blacks or Whites, or Gays or Red Necks, or Women, or Men, or the French?

If you do not intend violence or harm, is this form of Public Statement within a person's rights of Free Speech and why does the P.C. Machine roll over those that don't conform.

Also, might the Real Issues that we are faced with be better served by open discussion rather than to supress and avoid?

Your thoughts?

 

[Adrian]

Well, can you publicly state that you dis-like Blacks or Whites, or Gays or Red Necks, or Women, or Men, or the French?

Unless they are directly causing you some kind of harm, why would you want to?

 

[Flea]

Originally Posted by Adrian
Unless they are directly causing you some kind of harm, why would you want to?

Good question. People do though, I hope that we will get some differing opinions that might help explain this.

 

[Willow]

You should be able to state that you dislike anyone you want. However if you state that you hate a particular group, homosexuals or blacks or whatever then you need to face the ramifications that comes from stating that. Even if you apologize, the statement cannot be retracted and bad feelings will linger as will the suspicion that the apology was not sincere. People who make comments that others will dislike should know that by now. (I'm using "you" as a general term not a personal "you" directed at anyone here)
I'm all for Freedom of Speech but I'm also for personal responsibility. Knock yourself out, say what you want, but expect and accept the consequences.

 

[Goobieman]

You absolutely have the right to publicly state that you hate anyone.
Gays, blacks, whites, President Bush - anyone.

And you can do so in whatever terms you want - n**ger, f*gg*t, cracker, dumbass, etc.

You may not like the reaction, but you absolutely have the right to nake such statements.

 

[BodiSatva]

I love everybody, except anybody that is against what I say...

Well, can you publicly state that you dis-like Blacks or Whites, or Gays or Red Necks, or Women, or Men, or the French?

"F" the French!

As long as people are not advocating violence, go for it. Sissies beware, this is gonna get rough.

 

[Thelost1]

Say what you want.

Don't expect people to like you.

 

[1069]

Is it OK to publicly state whome you dis-like?

If you're referring to an individual, I feel it's uncivil, uncouth, immature, unprofessional (if in the workplace) and unnecessary to publicly state that you "don't like" someone.
Telling them privately is another matter. Really, who's business is it, besides yours and theirs?
But that's me, talking from my perspective as a 30+-year-old; as a teen and an early-20-something, I'm sure I did my share of running around in public talking sh!t about people, although I don't have too much recollection of it.
In general, I lacked confidence socially when I was younger, and was more concerned that people didn't like me than I was about announcing that I didn't like them.

It is obvious that people hate each other. This stems from former NBA star Tim Hardaway and his recent comments stating how vehemetly he is disgusted by and has nothing to do with homosexuals, and his subsequent "Apology" that was essentially a joke (not literally) and made for ONLY P.C. reasons. It was obvious that he did not mean a word of his apology, but people seem to accept it.

Well, can you publicly state that you dis-like Blacks or Whites, or Gays or Red Necks, or Women, or Men, or the French?

If you do not intend violence or harm, is this form of Public Statement within a person's rights of Free Speech and why does the P.C. Machine roll over those that don't conform.

Also, might the Real Issues that we are faced with be better served by open discussion rather than to supress and avoid?

Your thoughts?

Well, now it becomes obvious that you aren't in fact asking whether it is "OK to publicly state whome you dis-like?", but asking whether bigotry is okay.
To this, my answer would be no. No, it's not okay.

 

[BodiSatva]

TheLost

Say what you want.

Don't expect people to like you.

OK...thank you. Everybody who actually knows me likes me. But feel free to not know me if you like...!

 

[BodiSatva]

1069
Well, now it becomes obvious that you aren't in fact asking whether it is "OK to publicly state whome you dis-like?", but asking whether bigotry is okay.

I agree. But publicly stating whom you dislike IS bigotry. The question, however you want to look at it is...is this OK?

 

[1069]

I agree. But publicly stating whom you dislike IS bigotry. The question, however you want to look at it is...is this OK?

Well, now it becomes obvious that you aren't in fact asking whether it is "OK to publicly state whome you dis-like?", but asking whether bigotry is okay.
To this, my answer would be no. No, it's not okay.

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[Hatuey]

I agree. But publicly stating whom you dislike IS bigotry.

Bigotry is defined as being intolerant intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, or identities differing from his or her own. So technically speaking. Unless you're Jesus(Son of God, not your local mexican.). You're probably a bigot. However bigotry as an adjective is ussually used for people who hold on to the prejudice even when their beliefs are proven to be without merit.

 

[BodiSatva]

Perhaps I am looking too deeply 1069, but aren't we saying the same thing there? That is what I was trying to point out...

 

[Thelost1]

TheLost



OK...thank you. Everybody who actually knows me likes me. But feel free to not know me if you like...!

oh, um. I was actually responding to the OP. Sorry.

 

[BodiSatva]

Ha-HA! :rofl

No sweat Thelost1! Misunderstandings happen and I am sure that I just missed what you were saying...my bad. Talk to you some more in a bit...

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

One can say what one wants to say. It is important to remember that words have consequences. If you say something, and you don't like the consequences, don't say it again. It's that personal responsibility thing...

 

[The Mark]

It is my opinion that anyone should be able to say anything they want.

It is also my opinion that those same persons should not be surprised if they encounter some negative ramifications as a result of their actions.

 

[Dezaad]

If you do not intend violence or harm, is this form of Public Statement within a person's rights of Free Speech and why does the P.C. Machine roll over those that don't conform.

Absolutely it is within someone's right of free speech. But, what you seem to be questioning is whether someone should be able to be boycotted, fired, shunned etc. for exercising their freedom of speech. Is it not the right of people who are offended to encourage other people to be offended and to act on their rejection of bigotry by boycotting, firing, shunning, etc.? And it is certainly your right to question those activist's effectiveness at broadening the general level of civility through their encouragements.

Also, might the Real Issues that we are faced with be better served by open discussion rather than to supress and avoid? Your thoughts?

I think this is a very good question, and really is the best part of your post. It raises the issues that determine the effectiveness of any strategy to do away with bigotry. Another question that restates and adds to what you are asking is: Does bigotry spread less if those who are bigots are shamed into silence? Or perhaps an even better question would be: Do the consequences of bigotry spread less over the long term if those who are bigots are shamed into silence?


I think that each situation should be considered according to its social context:

For example, you bring up the very public situation where a celebrity says something bigotted, and it is quoted widely by the press. IMO, this is a valid instance where bigotry should result in a reaction that tries to encourage silence rather than outspokenness. It would be a great world if wilfully ignorant people were not encouraged in their views by a celebrity happening to agree with them. Such ignorant people very often are emboldened into real life action that will be harmful to people who don't deserve to be harmed.​

Workplaces are another example. You don't have as much freedom of association in workplaces as you do in your daily life. Is it right to make people have to listen to bigotted people and ideas in the workplace? Targets of bigotry are in especially uncomfortable situations here, but most decent people are affected to some degree.​

I think a situation where bigotry should be socially tolerated are some semi-private situations where people have the freedom to get away from it. People should be encouraged to generously afford the speaker (undeserved) respect, and meet the bigotry with rational dialogue.​

Note: People should always be reminded that social intolerance for bigotry should generally not lead to legal intolerance.​

Well, even though my response is rather long, its still only worth 2 cents.

 

[FallingPianos]

do you have the right to say such things? yes.

is it ok? generally not. if you have a problem with someone, keep it between you and them.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

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Poll added per request.

 

[ptsdkid]

I think that by holding back what you think of someone, does a disservice to them and to anyone else that you might come in contact with. Because I happen to dislike certain individuals, does not make me a racist per se; more times than not its the leaders of particular groups that I dislike. The problem with people voicing an opinion in public is that the political correctness police can and often does ruin their careers by getting the individual fired or in making them feel like a leper.

I have a great disdain for certain moderators here (because of their partisan suspensions of me, and because of their myopic views pertaining to the actions of myself and others. Here, just like with name calling in public--will have its consequences regardless of the venue. If you have someone that needs to get an earful of rageful taunting--may I suggest you do it in the basement. You may learn how to do it in the basement by using my choice threads as an example.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by pstdkid:
I think that by holding back what you think of someone, does a disservice to them and to anyone else that you might come in contact with. Because I happen to dislike certain individuals, does not make me a racist per se; more times than not its the leaders of particular groups that I dislike. The problem with people voicing an opinion in public is that the political correctness police can and often does ruin their careers by getting the individual fired or in making them feel like a leper.

I have a great disdain for certain moderators here (because of their partisan suspensions of me, and because of their myopic views pertaining to the actions of myself and others. Here, just like with name calling in public--will have its consequences regardless of the venue. If you have someone that needs to get an earful of rageful taunting--may I suggest you do it in the basement. You may learn how to do it in the basement by using my choice threads as an example.

I don't know if this is racist or not,
but your avatar might look like that on your end,
but on my end, it looks like this...

 

[PoliticalActivist]

I voted ... Yes. We have the rights to speak up about anything that we do
not like, and we have the rights to speak out against racism,crime,rights violations,etc,etc,etc. Its okay as long as you voice your concern directly to
the individual, and not become a backstabber or coward by talking behind someones back...say it to their face. To speak publicly is to talk openly,and
what's so confusing about that?

 

[DeeJayH]

I would believe that this falls under freedom of speech
and has the benefit of showing the world how ignorant some people are
i would imagine these comments will cost Hardaway some jobs in the future (spokesman, commercial, etc...)

 

[DeeJayH]

I voted ... Yes. We have the rights to speak up about anything that we do
not like, and we have the rights to speak out against racism,crime,rights violations,etc,etc,etc. Its okay as long as you voice your concern directly to
the individual, and not become a backstabber or coward by talking behind someones back...say it to their face. To speak publicly is to talk openly,and
what's so confusing about that?

maybe i am looking to closely
but it seems like you are saying that
freedom of speech is ok, but only when you say it to the persons face?