whysoserious
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Okay, so then we have you on record saying that the influence of Confucianism, particularly the parts that emphasize education and elder respect, on Asian society have ZERO impact on the success of Asians today. Can we also have you go on record that the Enlightenment has ZERO effect on current American society? I'd also like to know if you could sign your name under the statement, "Older generations don't pass down values to younger generations."bull ****ing ****. if you are a failure in today's society, you have no one to blame but yourself. what? because your great great grandfather was a slave, that makes you too lazy to apply for a scholarship from the united negro college fund? because your grandmother had to ride on the back of the bus, you can't be bothered to do your homework or pay attention in class?
spare me the excuses and pity party
Thank you for realizing that effort on one's own part is the most important factor in success and then actually taking action. Far too many want to make excuses for poor planning and/or lack of true effort.
Okay, so then we have you on record saying that the influence of Confucianism particularly the parts that emphasize education and elder respect have ZERO impact on the success of Asians today. Can we also have you go on record that the Enlightenment has ZERO effect on current American society? I'd also like to know if you could sign your name under the statement, "Older generations don't pass down values to younger generations."
I said that your question isn't worth considering without proof that's a valid question.
Let's not muddy the waters. You imply that my question isn't even worth considering. That's unwise.
Okay, so then we have you on record saying that the influence of Confucianism particularly the parts that emphasize education and elder respect have ZERO impact on the success of Asians today.so because they were once slaves....blacks have poor values? say it isn't so......
I find it rather humorous that an African American whom is of my own ideawith a higher IQ than any of us which could be Wakecould be reading this thread right now and thinking, "WTF?".
You tell me. Better yet, draw a line on this color chart of where yellow starts and stops:
Define the color yellow.
The racial IQ gap does not exist because race does not exist in any meaningful scientific form.
I said that your question isn't worth considering without proof that's a valid question.
Now, show me where I said I wouldn't consider the question even if there was proof. And show me where I said that I wasn't open to proof from "both sides of the question."
Word of advice: Don't try to figure out what you think people mean, just address what people actually say. I'm waiting for the proof or the retraction.
This is what is called a non-sequitur. I agree that the concept of race doesn't really have any substance when it comes to scientific validity. But the IQ gap is still there. What's troubling is many people seem content with the theory that this means that somehow blacks are inherently stupider.
Do you concieve the notion that said black man could be a hard-working conservative who hates the very idea of a political and educational system catering to the needs of the incompetent?
Do you concieve the notion that said black man could be a hard-working conservative who hates the very idea of a political and educational system catering to the needs of the incompetent?
Here's the quote - again. I'm over this conversation.And I'm saying I disagree with your refusal to consider such philosophical questions.
I never said you wouldn't consider the question even if there was proof. Show me exactly where I said that because I didn't. Furthermore, I never said you weren't open to proof from "both sides of the question" My prognosis is that you're trying to look too hard into things. Show me where I said that cause' as it stands you probably misunderstand something I said.
So you don't even consider the question?
Even if there was proof?
Odd. I thought the scientifically minded were to be open to proof from both sides of a question.
RiverDad said:So are you admitting that there is no such thing as the color yellow?
If there is no such thing as race because the boundaries cannot be precisely defined
Race, like color, has fuzzy boundaries. Yellow exists and is defined within fuzzy boundaries and so too does race exist and it too exists within fuzzy boundaries.
It's odd that in all of this coincidental clustering no one has taken a red headed, blue eyed person and randomly assigned them to the social constructed category of being a black person.
Okay, so then we have you on record saying that the influence of Confucianism particularly the parts that emphasize education and elder respect have ZERO impact on the success of Asians today.
If you understand this sentence, then you'll understand my point. If you don't...well surprise.
Yes I agree. Race as a social construct can be used to make such statements; race as a biological classification, however, cannot.
This is like arguing that height doesn't exist as a biological feature and only exists as a social feature and then sorting people by height into different groups but saying that those groups don't represent anything to do with biology, only how we perceive people to be tall or short or in between.
Okay, so we have you on record that blacks are the only group of people whose actions are completely uninfluenced by their history?okay, so we have you on record throwing in strawmen and avoiding the real issue. is anyone surprised?
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A clustering of populations that does correspond to classical continental "races" can be acheived by using a special class of non-functional DNA, microsatellites. By selecting among microsatellites, it is possible to find a set that will cluster together African populations, European populations, and Asian populations, etc. These selected microsatellite DNA markers are not typical of genes, however, but have been chosen precisely because they are "maximally informative" about group differences. Thus, they tell us what we already knew about the differences between populations of the classical "races" from skin color, face shape, and hair form. They have the added advantage of allowing us to make good estimates of the amount of intermixture that has occurred between populations as a result of migrations and conquests.
The every-day socially defined geographical races do identify groups of populations that are somewhat more closely similar to each other genetically. Most important from the standpoint of the biological meaning of these racial categories, however, most human genetic variation does not show such "race" clustering. For the vast majority of human genetic variations, classical racial categories as defined by a combination of geography, skin color, nose and hair shape, an occasional blood type or selected microsatellites make no useful prediction of genetic differences. This failure of the clustering of local populations into biologically meaningful "races" based on a few clear genetic differences is not confined to the human species. Zoologists long ago gave up the category of "race" for dividing up groups of animal populations within a species, because so many of these races turned out to be based on only one or two genes so that two animals born in the same litter could belong to different "races."
It would be similar, yes, if height wasn't biological or scientific. The ability to "sort" different people into races depends entirely on the social environment.
No, but I find it hard to believe that a hard-working conservative who happens to be black would find it comforting to know that at least 2 or 3 people on this thread think that his race is inferior and that he probably lacks the same intelligence as other races. There is an air of arrogance in this thread, where some seem to think they are clearly better than others. That was the point of my post. There are people discussing the intelligence of African Americans (negatively), and more than likely an African American who is more intelligent than any of us will read this thread at some point.
i'm pretty damned sure she wasn't referring to you.
Here's the quote - again. I'm over this conversation.
That isn't exactly true (re: my above post).
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