Is it just me......????

[911Sparky]

You're absolutely right. We need more Jew hate in the world! The damned Jews run everything and keep all the rest of us REAL people poor! It's high time for a new Hitler, somebody that really cares about humanity! I'm with you brother!!!

One of your more intelligent posts. /s

 

[Fearandloathing]

Is it just me who is tiring of Israeli officials, including Netanyahu, responding ad nauseam to any criticism of anything Israel does as being antisemitic or pro-Hamas?

Fair dinkum, given recent events involving Australia and Israel, it seems to have gotten to the stage where if a Jew robbed a bank and shot muslim security guards, to prosecute him would be condemned with howls of antisemitism.

It is just bizarre, no, disgraceful ~ but.....the ploy is used because they know it works despite smacking of coat-tailing on the Holocaust, milking the very last drop out of it.

"You are only making that criticism of what happened because you are a Jew hater, not because what you have said has merit."

Is it just me?

No.

I grew tired and disinterested while living in Montreal during the six day war.

you'd have thought the end of times had begun! People were holding out begging cups at street lights to raise money for the Israeli defense fund.

I was almost mugged when I innocently and stupidly asked about the people who had been living there.....

Since then I have come to know that the bible is fiction and there is no such thing as a "holy" land. Certainly not THAT land which has absorbed more blood than Africa and South America combined.

What can be more insane that going to war over a "loving god"?

It is because of these wars, in part, that I have become an atheist. "God" has in any form has always been a tool to control people's behavior.

NO GOD would tolerate the abuse carried out in his name..........in any religion especially christian

 

[Fearandloathing]

During WWII, I've seen reports, the Zionists admired, partnered with, and learned from the Nazis. After WWII, they treated Holocaust survivors terribly. Apparently in the 1960's, they realized the world horror at the Holocaust gave them a great propaganda tool, and that they could call any critics 'anti-Semitic' and it was very powerful. They weaponized the term into a lie to allow their war crimes.

So you spread the rumor.....?

 

[Craig234]

Can you tell me who passed a Bill equating anti-zionism with antisemitism?

311 members of Congress. 14 no's, 92 present.

 

[Bush Lawyer]

311 members of Congress. 14 no's, 92 present.

Got a Link to this Bill?

 

[Bush Lawyer]

311 members of Congress. 14 no's, 92 present.

Found a Link.

House passes bill to expand definition of antisemitism amid growing campus protests over Gaza war

The legislation would broaden the legal definition of antisemitism to include the "targeting of the state of Israel, conceived as a Jewish collectivity."

www.pbs.org

Did that crap get through the Senate and into Law????

 

[Craig234]

Did that crap get through the Senate and into Law????

No, it was a 'statement' by the House that they 'firmly' claim anti-Zionisism is anti-Semitism and similar things, but it's not a law. For the Senate, look at their votes on Bernie's bills to end funding of weapons. The last one got 27 Democratic votes and no Republican votes.

 

[Bush Lawyer]

No, it was a 'statement' by the House that they 'firmly' claim anti-Zionisism is anti-Semitism and similar things, but it's not a law. For the Senate, look at their votes on Bernie's bills to end funding of weapons. The last one got 27 Democratic votes and no Republican votes.

Good, and I reckon that 'statement' was made for political appeasement to Netanyahu, and I note it was some years ago. Later events have over-shadowed it. The suggestion that being a critic of Zionism (which I understand is the circumstances in which the State of Israel was creation and even its very creation) = being anti-semetitc is sheer propaganda bullshit.

If that were the case, then Ben Gurion, the very first PM of the newly created State of Israel, the "Father if Israel" is anti-semetic.

 

[Apocalypse]

Garbage but let's drill down.

"Reward antisemitic terrorists." Again, the very rubbish Goebel's quality propaganda my OP refers to. In what way does 'This' (whatever that is??) 'reward terrorism.' Recognising, per se, a State of Palestine has zero connection with rewarding terrorists!

A 'wave of antisemitism???' Simply not factual and is an appeal to emotion.

How on Earth can you justify the absurd comment that Albanese is attemting to profit from antisemitism? Go ahead and tell me.

How can you not?
It's a clear attempt to reward terrorism and grant a state in return for Hamas invading Israel and murdering, raping and kidnapping hundreds of Israeli civilians in the most brutal manner possible.
It plays towards the wave of antisemitism that Australia is going through (which you're here to downplay in a manner of support). The burning of synagogues, the burning of Jewish owned restaurants, the harassment of Jews, calls in demonstrations to gas the Jews, etc.
If anything is reminiscent of Goebbels and his party it is the atmosphere in places like Australia where Jew hatred becomes a priority over even internal issues.
And your politicians are playing on that.

 

[Apocalypse]

Good, and I reckon that 'statement' was made for political appeasement to Netanyahu, and I note it was some years ago. Later events have over-shadowed it. The suggestion that being a critic of Zionism (which I understand is the circumstances in which the State of Israel was creation and even its very creation) = being anti-semetitc is sheer propaganda bullshit.

If that were the case, then Ben Gurion, the very first PM of the newly created State of Israel, the "Father if Israel" is anti-semetic.

Why, you're trying to claim that Ben Gurion was against the formation of Israel? That would be stupid.

 

[Bush Lawyer]

How can you not?
It's a clear attempt to reward terrorism and grant a state in return for Hamas invading Israel and murdering, raping and kidnapping hundreds of Israeli civilians in the most brutal manner possible.
It plays towards the wave of antisemitism that Australia is going through (which you're here to downplay in a manner of support). The burning of synagogues, the burning of Jewish owned restaurants, the harassment of Jews, calls in demonstrations to gas the Jews, etc.
If anything is reminiscent of Goebbels and his party it is the atmosphere in places like Australia where Jew hatred becomes a priority over even internal issues.
And your politicians are playing on that.

Tosh! While it is not a contest and none of it ought happen just like attacking any place should not happen, more mosques get attacked here than any synagogue etc. The moron or two who did attack Jewish places have swallowed the pill the State of Israel created itself, i.e. Synagogue/Jew = the State of Israel.

Detail this alleged WAVE with actual events.

No-one is rewarding terrorism, but it is true that the entire World is bristling with outrage that the State of Israel has created an environment where people are now starving to death. It has every right to defend itself, but in typical fashion, it has over egged its reaction. A bridge too far the World seems unwilling to accept. I suspect it is that which has led to a perhaps earlier recognition of the State of Palestine than otherwise might have occurred. Israel is its own victim, if you like.

 

[Bush Lawyer]

Why, you're trying to claim that Ben Gurion was against the formation of Israel? That would be stupid.

No, I am saying that Gurion acknowledged the right of Arabs to reject the State of Israel and to resist it. He acknowledged their Lands were being stolen from them.

 

[Apocalypse]

Tosh! While it is not a contest and none of it ought happen just like attacking any place should not happen, more mosques get attacked here than any synagogue etc. The moron or two who did attack Jewish places have swallowed the pill the State of Israel created itself, i.e. Synagogue/Jew = the State of Israel.

Detail this alleged WAVE with actual events.

CAM conducted a survey among Australian Jews. The results speak for themselves.

One in five young Australians aged 18 to 34 reported witnessing or hearing about antisemitic incidents in their area, with the situation the worst in New South Wales, the most populous of Australia’s six states, CAM says.

Australia’s 120,000-strong Jewish community has been hit hard by antisemitism since the Hamas terror group launched its war against Israel on October 7, 2023.

In recent months, Jews there have experienced synagogues, schools, and homes firebombed, two nurses threatening to kill Jewish patients in their hospital, and the discovery of a trailer filled with explosives said to have been intended to cause a mass-casualty event at a Sydney synagogue.

In early July, a pair of attacks in Melbourne targeted a synagogue and an Israeli-owned restaurant. “Australia used to be thought of as a safe haven for Jews, but that image has unfortunately been shattered over the last two years,” says CAM CEO Sacha Roytman Dratwa.

Australians expect stronger response to antisemitism, survey shows

* * *

www.timesofisrael.com

No-one is rewarding terrorism, but it is true that the entire World is bristling with outrage that the State of Israel has created an environment where people are now starving to death. It has every right to defend itself, but in typical fashion, it has over egged its reaction. A bridge too far the World seems unwilling to accept. I suspect it is that which has led to a perhaps earlier recognition of the State of Palestine than otherwise might have occurred. Israel is its own victim, if you like.

One can support Israel defending itself while expecting more care to be placed over the lives of civilians in Gaza or elsewhere.
That's not what's happening, the demand is for Israel to lay down its arms and for Hamas to prevail, due to a situation that Hamas itself has created.

The attempt to reward the Palestinians with a state from which they can carry out more terrorism the way Hamas did in its very own regime that it controlled in Gaza is nothing but reward for terrorism as it is a direct result of Hamas' decision to invade and murder and rape and kidnap hundreds of Israelis on October 7 and the brutality that was witnessed that day. It is only motivation for Islamist terrorism and nothing else.

 

[Apocalypse]

No, I am saying that Gurion acknowledged the right of Arabs to reject the State of Israel and to resist it. He acknowledged their Lands were being stolen from them.

There are a lot of quotations of Ben Gurion on the internet. Many either taken out of context or made up entirely to promote anti-Israeli propaganda. I'd suggest you not to believe that the first PM of the state of Israel is someone who thought that Jews are foreigners in their own homeland or that Arabs had their lands "stolen", it's ridiculous. The Jewish state was formed in the one and only Jewish homeland through diplomacy and nothing was stolen, Jews paid for the lands they gained during the 19th and early 20th centuries.

 

[Bush Lawyer]

CAM conducted a survey among Australian Jews. The results speak for themselves.

Australians expect stronger response to antisemitism, survey shows

* * *

www.timesofisrael.com

One can support Israel defending itself while expecting more care to be placed over the lives of civilians in Gaza or elsewhere.
That's not what's happening, the demand is for Israel to lay down its arms and for Hamas to prevail, due to a situation that Hamas itself has created.

The attempt to reward the Palestinians with a state from which they can carry out more terrorism the way Hamas did in its very own regime that it controlled in Gaza is nothing but reward for terrorism as it is a direct result of Hamas' decision to invade and murder and rape and kidnap hundreds of Israelis on October 7 and the brutality that was witnessed that day. It is only motivation for Islamist terrorism and nothing else.

That, Sir, is totally untrue and regrettably is so so tragically typical of the rubbish propaganda coming from Netanyahu and his pals.

 

[Bush Lawyer]

There are a lot of quotations of Ben Gurion on the internet. Many either taken out of context or made up entirely to promote anti-Israeli propaganda. I'd suggest you not to believe that the first PM of the state of Israel is someone who thought that Jews are foreigners in their own homeland or that Arabs had their lands "stolen", it's ridiculous. The Jewish state was formed in the one and only Jewish homeland through diplomacy and nothing was stolen, Jews paid for the lands they gained during the 19th and early 20th centuries.

Yes there are, many in fact, and they all support what I have posted. If you wish to assert lack of context or confection, let's see your evidence.

 

[Bush Lawyer]

For anyone interested in what people Down Here are doing. See the link. This after about 300,000 turned up on Sydney Harbour Bridge and surrounds a week or so ago. Israel has gone the infamous "Bridge too Far."

It's lack of appropriate response, particularly watching a famine take place, has turned people so much so they are on the streets Down Here, and that is a pretty high bar as we are usually a lazy, laid back lot when it comes to this sort of stuff.

Today:

Thousands march in nationwide action against war in Gaza — as it happened

Thousands of protesters have taken part in a nationwide day of action against the ongoing war in Gaza.

www.abc.net.au

 

[snakestretcher]

Is it just me who is tiring of Israeli officials, including Netanyahu, responding ad nauseam to any criticism of anything Israel does as being antisemitic or pro-Hamas?

Fair dinkum, given recent events involving Australia and Israel, it seems to have gotten to the stage where if a Jew robbed a bank and shot muslim security guards, to prosecute him would be condemned with howls of antisemitism.

It is just bizarre, no, disgraceful ~ but.....the ploy is used because they know it works despite smacking of coat-tailing on the Holocaust, milking the very last drop out of it.

"You are only making that criticism of what happened because you are a Jew hater, not because what you have said has merit."

Is it just me?

It's not only bizarre but it's the only defense they have left. Sadly for them the rest of the world isn't as gullible or as stupid as they are. There's a certain poster here who calls anyone critical of Israel either an anti-Semite or a Hamas supporter, and has never once acknowledged Israel's war crimes. Showing him evidence makes him run away. That's as simplistically stupid as it gets. Best thing to do is laugh at the idiots-they're scared of the truth. No, it's not just you mate.

 

[snakestretcher]

Thank you for this link. The full text of Netanyahu's letter is important for understanding exactly what he meant with his statement, "Your call for a Palestinian state pours fuel on this antisemitic fire."

Netanyahu clearly presents numerous examples of antisemitism in Australia and Australia's call for a Palestinian state can certainly have the effect of intensifying that antisemitism. Netanyahu wasn't saying that Albanese was antisemitic. He was saying that Albanese's ill-advised support for Palestine will fuel antisemitism.

Instead of pushing back against Netanyahu's rhetoric, perhaps Albanese could do more to address the antisemitism in your country. Supporting Palestine...and by extension, Hamas...is not the way to address these clear cases of antisemitism.

After reading the letter, I have to answer your thread title question with, yes...it's just you. In your OP, you appear to engage in hyperbole and spin.

Why do you conflate ("...by extension..."), supporting the State of Palestine with supporting Hamas? I love America and most Americans I've met, but I hate Trump and his excuse for an administration, viscerally. Does that make me anti-Christian because the majority of Americans self-identify as Christian? Oh and a Trump supporter whining about hyperbole and spin is the height of irony.

 

[Mycroft]

Why do you conflate ("by extension..."), supporting the State of Palestine with supporting Hamas?

Because the Palestinian people support Hamas,

Let me know when the Palestinian people send Hamas packing.

I love America and most Americans I've met, but I hate Trump and his excuse for an administration, viscerally. Does that make me anti-Christian because the majority of Americans self-identify as Christian?

You are irrelevant.

 

[snakestretcher]

Garbage but let's drill down.

"Reward antisemitic terrorists." Again, the very rubbish Goebel's quality propaganda my OP refers to. In what way does 'This' (whatever that is??) 'reward terrorism.' Recognising, per se, a State of Palestine has zero connection with rewarding terrorists!

A 'wave of antisemitism???' Simply not factual and is an appeal to emotion.

How on Earth can you justify the absurd comment that Albanese is attemting to profit from antisemitism? Go ahead and tell me.

In my experience with the poster in question, expecting a coherent response is futile. You've been labelled an anti-Semite now and he's a happy chappie who thinks he scored a winning goal. I lost count of the accusations of Hamas support and anti-Semitism he threw at me. Best ignore him and he'll go away.

 

[snakestretcher]

Because the Palestinian people support Hamas,

Let me know when the Palestinian people send Hamas packing.


You are irrelevant.

How do you know; have you run a poll in Palestine recently? These did...

Gazans increasingly back a two-state solution, as support for Hamas drops

Support for a two-state solution nearly doubled in Gaza, as fewer back “armed struggle” for an independent Palestinian state.

www.nbcnews.com

We asked the people of Gaza how they saw their future – this is what we found | Nils Mallock

Support for Hamas is declining – no obvious alternative has emerged, but our poll shows there are reasons to be hopeful, says Nils Mallock, a research fellow at King’s College London

www.theguardian.com

Hamas faces dissent in Gaza as heavy toll weakens support for war, a year on

Samira, a mother of two, yearns for her old life when she was an Arabic teacher and had a comfortable home - before the attack by Hamas on Israel a year ago plunged Gaza into suffering and chaos.

www.reuters.com

And in case you conveniently forgot...

‘Buying Quiet’: Inside the Israeli Plan That Propped Up Hamas (Published 2023)

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu gambled that a strong Hamas (but not too strong) would keep the peace and reduce pressure for a Palestinian state.

www.nytimes.com

 

[snakestretcher]

Why, you're trying to claim that Ben Gurion was against the formation of Israel? That would be stupid.

"They [Arabs} see but one thing; we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" David Ben Gurion.

"If I were an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural; we have taken their country" David Ben Gurion.

 

[Perotista]

Is it just me who is tiring of Israeli officials, including Netanyahu, responding ad nauseam to any criticism of anything Israel does as being antisemitic or pro-Hamas?

Fair dinkum, given recent events involving Australia and Israel, it seems to have gotten to the stage where if a Jew robbed a bank and shot muslim security guards, to prosecute him would be condemned with howls of antisemitism.

It is just bizarre, no, disgraceful ~ but.....the ploy is used because they know it works despite smacking of coat-tailing on the Holocaust, milking the very last drop out of it.

"You are only making that criticism of what happened because you are a Jew hater, not because what you have said has merit."

Is it just me?

I say first, few Americans are paying attention to the Israeli/Hamas war. About the only time I hear or see anything dealing with it is here on DP. I view the on goings over there as the Israeli/Hamas war. A war Hamas started by attacking Israel and taking hostages, killing civilians, not military in their attack. That Hamas started the war, hence they’re the aggressors, the bad guys. Hamas is also officially recognized as a terrorist organization, so it’s Israel against the terrorists.

Hamas in my opinion is using the deaths of their own civilians to gain worldwide recognition as a nation. That was their goal when they started this thing. Hamas is willing to sacrifice as many civilians as needed to obtain their political goal of being recognized by the world as an official state. They have said this several times. It seems that Hamas which will lose the war militarily, will win it politically. Canada, the UK, France are now all set to recognize Gaza as a nation. Being the aggressor, starting a war, being willing to sacrifice however may thousands, tens of thousands of their own people in a war they knew they couldn’t win, will end up, at least political being a winner with their own Hamas run state or nation.

For me Semitism, anti-Semitism has nothing to do with this or how I view that war. It’s simply a war of Israel against Hamas, the terrorist organization, the aggressors who attacked Israel starting this war.

 

[snakestretcher]

For anyone interested in what people Down Here are doing. See the link. This after about 300,000 turned up on Sydney Harbour Bridge and surrounds a week or so ago. Israel has gone the infamous "Bridge too Far."

It's lack of appropriate response, particularly watching a famine take place, has turned people so much so they are on the streets Down Here, and that is a pretty high bar as we are usually a lazy, laid back lot when it comes to this sort of stuff.

Today:

Thousands march in nationwide action against war in Gaza — as it happened

Thousands of protesters have taken part in a nationwide day of action against the ongoing war in Gaza.

www.abc.net.au

But Netanyahu says there's no famine in Gaza. There are some here so wilfully blind to the reality staring them in the face it would be laughable were it not an unfolding tragedy. I suspect they're quite happy seeing film of starving Arab children, wasting away because of the deliberate actions of the criminal regime they support.