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You're right. Which is why it shouldn't be taught in schools. It's a religious question at best.
ID may or may not be crap. There is no way to prove that one way or another.
It depends upon how you mean the question.I believe it is creationism and religious doctrine should not be taught in our schools.
Even then, only so far as subscription is universal.Define "truth". Certainly, there is absolute fact.
"If it's truth you're looking for, Dr. Tyree's philosophy class is right down the hall."Based on that, let me ask you a very simple question. I will be honest and warn up-front that if you are an irrational human being, your answer will reveal this fact about you. Now, here is the question:
Does absolute truth exist?
It is a very simply question, and the answer you give will reveal a lot about you. It also just might set you on a course that you had no idea you'd be on today! The beautiful thing about this question is that there is no cunning way around it. It is not a question that can be out witted. There's really no way to dance around the question, either.
You might find that it is one of the most beautiful questions you could ever ask an atheist!
lulz ......................"If it's truth you're looking for, Dr. Tyree's philosophy class is right down the hall."
- Indiana Jones
According to this definition ID could well be a scientific theory.
Systematic ideational structure of broad scope, conceived by the human imagination, that encompasses a family of empirical (experiential) laws regarding regularities existing in objects and events, both observed and posited. A scientific theory is a structure suggested by these laws and is devised to explain them in a scientifically rational manner.
Scientific theory | Define Scientific theory at Dictionary.com
Even then, only so far as subscription is universal.
It was once a 'fact' that the earth was flat.
ID is not a scientific theory as it cannot be tested, observed, or replicated.
According to this definition ID could well be a scientific theory.
Systematic ideational structure of broad scope, conceived by the human imagination, that encompasses a family of empirical (experiential) laws regarding regularities existing in objects and events, both observed and posited. A scientific theory is a structure suggested by these laws and is devised to explain them in a scientifically rational manner.
Scientific theory | Define Scientific theory at Dictionary.com
Guess you missed the part where I said "according to this definition". The definition I posted said nothing about tested or replicated. ID does fit this definition, it is conceived by human imagination and it observes regularities, it also puts forth a structure to explain these regularities in a scientific manner. The bar for meeting the standards of scientific theory is really rather low.
that encompasses a family of empirical (experiential) laws regarding regularities existing in objects and events, both observed and posited.
is devised to explain them in a scientifically rational manner.
Looks like you didn't comprehend your own definition, sawyer.
And hence exterior to even consciousness? I think not. Such facts as exist, are ones defined both by ourselves, and the means we contrive to both measure and label them. A belief becomes more than that, where it goes goes uncontested. Especially where no one believes otherwise.No, it was never a fact, it was a belief and it was wrong. Facts exist outside of human belief.
ID is not a scientific theory as it cannot be tested, observed, or replicated.
Guess you missed the part where I said "according to this definition". The definition I posted said nothing about tested or replicated. ID does fit this definition, it is conceived by human imagination and it observes regularities, it also puts forth a structure to explain these regularities in a scientific manner. The bar for meeting the standards of scientific theory is really rather low.
You're right. Which is why it shouldn't be taught in schools.
I comprehend it just do so differently than you do. Here is more things to consider on this, it's really an interesting subject.
LAW
1) An empirical generalization; a statement of a biological principle that appears to be without exception at the time it is made, and has become consolidated by repeated successful testing; rule (Lincoln et al., 1990)
2) A theoretical principle deduced from particular facts, applicable to a defined group or class of phenomena, and expressible by a statement that a particular phenomenon always occurs if certain conditions be present (Oxford English Dictionary as quoted in Futuyma, 1979).
3) A set of observed regularities expressed in a concise verbal or mathematical statement. (Krimsley, 1995).
THEORY
1) The grandest synthesis of a large and important body of information about some related group of natural phenomena (Moore, 1984)
2) A body of knowledge and explanatory concepts that seek to increase our understanding ("explain") a major phenomenon of nature (Moore, 1984).
3) A scientifically accepted general principle supported by a substantial body of evidence offered to provide an explanation of observed facts and as a basis for future discussion or investigation (Lincoln et al., 1990).
4) 1. The abstract principles of a science as distinguished from basic or applied science. 2. A reasonable explanation or assumption advanced to explain a natural phenomenon but lacking confirming proof (Steen, 1971). [NB: I don't like this one but I include it to show you that even in "Science dictionaries" there is variation in definitions which leads to confusion].
5) A scheme or system of ideas or statements held as an explanation or account of a group of facts or phenomena; a hypothesis that has been confirmed or established by observation or experiment, and is propounded or accepted as accounting for the known facts; a statement of what are held to be the general laws, principles or causes of something known or observed. (Oxford English Dictionary, 1961; [emphasis added]).
6) An explanation for an observation or series of observations that is substantiated by a considerable body of evidence (Krimsley, 1995).
Scientific Laws and Theories
Neither can the big bang or solar system formation be "tested, observed, or replicated," I sure hope nobody tries to replicate it, GOOD GOD!
Neither can the big bang or solar system formation be "tested, observed, or replicated," I sure hope nobody tries to replicate it, GOOD GOD!
Guess you missed the part where I said "according to this definition". The definition I posted said nothing about tested or replicated. ID does fit this definition, it is conceived by human imagination and it observes regularities, it also puts forth a structure to explain these regularities in a scientific manner. The bar for meeting the standards of scientific theory is really rather low.
In science a theory is a testable model of the manner of interaction of a set of natural phenomena, capable of predicting future occurrences or observations of the same kind, and capable of being tested through experiment or otherwise verified through empirical observation.
I believe it is creationism and religious doctrine should not be taught in our schools.
That's how I feel about poetry.
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