It's as much of a choice as heterosexuality.
Correct. Now please offer studies that support the idea that homosexuality is a choice. I have plenty more examples for you in the post below this one.
Navy Pride liked this post. That was...unexpected.
Go ahead. Go for it. You go right ahead and then let us know how that works out.
Gay men have straight sex without being attracted to women. Many do before they come out as gay. The same is true for lesbians. Research is leaning in the direction that homosexuality is not a choice, and there is simply no logical reason to think otherwise--especially when homosexuals themselves explicitly tell people that their sexuality is not a choice, and especially when you have homosexuals committing suicide because they cannot choose to be straight.I don't believe that someone could like gay sex without being attracted to men. At the least, someone would find sex with men pleasurable and seek men out to achieve that pleasure. Is that not attraction? I don't have any studies that support the idea that homosexuality is a choice. I do have studies that say that the cause of orientation is not definitively known. I'm arguing what I believe, as I said before. If the APA ever says that homosexuality is not a choice, that will go a long way towards persuading me. I favor the APA because it presents an aggregate view, as opposed to a study here or a study there. Still, individual studies do indeed represent a small sliver of reality, provided they are valid and replicated.
If homosexuality is not a choice, then no one has ever made the choice to be homosexual. -That's hard to prove, in my opinion.
Here's what i have:
American Psychological Association. (2008). Answers to your questions: For a better
understanding of sexual orientation and homosexuality. Retrieved from
http://www.apa.org/topics/sexuality/sorientation.pdf
Frankowski, B. L. (2004). Sexual orientation and adolescents. Pediatrics, 113(6), 1827-1832.
Retrieved from Sexual Orientation and Adolescents
Johnson, R. D. (2003). Homosexuality: Nature or nurture. AllPsych Journal. Retrieved from
Homosexuality: Nature or Nurture in AllPsych Journal
If homosexuality is not a choice, then no one has ever made the choice to be homosexual. -That's hard to prove, in my opinion.
Go ahead. Go for it. You go right ahead and then let us know how that works out.
Gay men have straight sex without being attracted to women. Many do before they come out as gay. The same is true for lesbians. Research is leaning in the direction that homosexuality is not a choice, and there is simply no logical reason to think otherwise--especially when homosexuals themselves explicitly tell people that their sexuality is not a choice, and especially when you have homosexuals committing suicide because they cannot choose to be straight.
It can't be. It isn't a testable hypothesis. Just switch one word in it, and see how absurd it is to even try. "If heterosexuality is not a choice, then no one has ever made the choice to be heterosexual."
Furthermore, there is the possibility that some people do choose to be gay, probably because they are bisexual or are inclined enough to make the choice, but that does not mean ALL people who are gay choose to be gay or that ALL people who are gay could choose not to be gay. Those absolutes are unfounded.
I hear what you are saying. What are the ... the... mechanisms, if you will, that allow a gay man to have sex and achieve orgasm with a woman before coming out? In other words, how does he get to orgasm without being attracted to the woman? Is it simply a matter of enjoying the friction? That would require him to ignore the thoughts that say "yuck, a woman!" and focus more intently on the physical feedback. This requires that a choice be made. He chooses to suppress his ... distaste, disgust, whatever term.. and focus on the friction, perhaps to ficus on the mental picture of a man. That takes mental power. It starts with a choice.
I sympathize with homosexuals who committed suicide.
I disagree that they cannot choose to be straight.
If one can Choose to end their life, against all instincts to survive, and preferences to survive, surely one can choose to be gay or straight, which doesn't have (seemingly) as dire consequences as suicide.
I know through experience that it isn't a choice. I didn't want to be gay, I choose heterosexuality for years, it never really worked. You can choose to be a horse, it isn't going to make you into a horse. Yes you can choose to deny your nature and "be heterosexual", but it is an illusion.
I agree. Wait, no I don't. I don't agree. -necessarily. If some people can choose their orientation and some people can not, what is the difference that exists between the two? A gene?
Sick people don't choose to be sick, example serial killers. Homosexuality is a mental defect, they can't help it.
And what you think about during sex can be far more arousing than what you are doing while having sex.
That puts you at odds with just about every major medical and mental health organization in the country...but okay.
That view puts you in an extreme minority in this country.
Your reasoning is backwards. They CAN choose to end their life, against all instincts to survive, and preferences to survive and they do so in some cases entirely because they CAN"T choose not to be gay.
Do you get that? It is is so hard for people to change their sexual orientation that it is EASIER for them to kill themselves.
Unfounded. There is no evidence that homosexuality is a "mental defect". It, in and of itself, does not cause loss of functionality in day to day living or distress and those are generally requirements for something to be classified as a mental health problem.
My guess is epigenetics.
http://www.the-scientist.com/?artic...title/Can-Epigenetics-Explain-Homosexuality-/
Of course you think that. Because you are convinced that people can not choose to be gay. All you did was re-word our argument. Perhaps after I re-worded it. *shrugs*
ok. i just looked up epigenetics. my understanding is that the gene expresses a different trait without a fundamental change in the DNA. It expresses a different trait because it has been acted on by a protein. My first question... what caused this protein to act on it? next, if this same protein acts on this same gene in different people, does it produce the same result? If not, why? If not, then this protein-gene relationship is unpredictable. more questions later.