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Is having sex with transgender women gay?

Yelling MAD LIB MAD LIB MAD LIB doesn't do anything to help your denial.
Is this you saying this?
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We're done here, this has become boring.
Thanks for highlighting your sad misconception. "Getting transferred to women's prisons" intrinsically implied that the subjects were originally in men's prisons, and they would have got there because some court originally considered them males guilty of a crime. Not that they committed crimes so that they could get into women's prisons. I don't blame you for doing a fast fade after such a blunder.
 
Lisa's quote from 348:


Eye and hair color are determined genetically. Lisa asserted in previous posts her commitment to the idea that trans identity was the result of epigenetic factors. But I don't think that it has been conclusively proven that these epigenetic factors are comparable to genetic ones. It's a theory that can be investigated, but I wanted to see if Lisa would make any distinctions between the two, which she has so far chosen not to do. Before you Galahad someone, read what they actually wrote over time.

It's a valid comparison. As I noted before, whether the source is genetic or epigenetic, it is not a choice. Comparing a non-choice with a non-choice is not automatically claiming the same source. You are the one engaging in the conflation fallacy here.
 
It's a valid comparison. As I noted before, whether the source is genetic or epigenetic, it is not a choice. Comparing a non-choice with a non-choice is not automatically claiming the same source. You are the one engaging in the conflation fallacy here.
I'm not so sure it's a choice to have issues with your sex. But it is a choice to identify as the opposite sex for some incoherent nonsense like non-binary.
 
I'm not so sure it's a choice to have issues with your sex. But it is a choice to identify as the opposite sex for some incoherent nonsense like non-binary.
There is no choice that is made to be transgender or nonbinary. You have no evidence otherwise, despite your opinions.

Myth #4: Social pressure can make kids trans or nonbinary​

Given the harassment, threats, denial of rights, inaccessibility of healthcare and more that gender-diverse people face, the likelihood of someone saying they are trans or nonbinary due to social pressure or because they think it’s “trendy” is extremely low.

In fact, there is considerable social pressure to be straight and cisgender, which is what keeps so many people from coming out in the first place, says Dr. Mariebeth Velasquez, clinical assistant professor in the Department of Family Medicine at the UW School of Medicine and a faculty advisor for the Qmedicine student organization.

“Understanding that you’re trans, nonbinary or queer often involves needing to unlearn what we’ve been socialized to learn with Western civilization, where we have all these labels and binaries,” she says.
 
Well non-binary is based strictly on stereotypes so yes there is regarding that. And you can have gender dysphoria without being transgender so yes again

Prove it, with linked sources.

If you have gender dysphoria then you are automatically transgender. There is no other way.
No. Just common sense
See above, You have an opinion but not objective evidence.
 
Prove it, with linked sources.
No.
If you have gender dysphoria then you are automatically transgender.
That's bigotry.
There is no other way.
Again your bigotry
See above, You have an opinion but not objective evidence.
Again no and it's your bigotry.

People are allowed not to be transgender even if they have some sort of gender dysphoria you're not the dictator of transgenderism.
 
It's a valid comparison. As I noted before, whether the source is genetic or epigenetic, it is not a choice. Comparing a non-choice with a non-choice is not automatically claiming the same source. You are the one engaging in the conflation fallacy here.
Absolute garbage on your part. I maintain that epigenetic factors are not as determinative as genetic ones and that Lisa's comparison remains fallacious, as does your defense of it.
 
No.

That's bigotry.

Again your bigotry

Again no and it's your bigotry.

People are allowed not to be transgender even if they have some sort of gender dysphoria you're not the dictator of transgenderism.

Hitchens Razor;

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence
 
Absolute garbage on your part. I maintain that epigenetic factors are not as determinative as genetic ones and that Lisa's comparison remains fallacious, as does your defense of it.
Irrelevant. Are you claiming that epigenetic factors do not have an effect on people, or that their effects are somehow chosen by the person? I am not going to disagree that genetic effects are most likely stronger than epigenetic effects. But that doesn't make epigenetic effects any less non-choice. Nor does it mean that there is an actual genetic effect that would override a given epigenetic effect.
 
Irrelevant. Are you claiming that epigenetic factors do not have an effect on people, or that their effects are somehow chosen by the person? I am not going to disagree that genetic effects are most likely stronger than epigenetic effects. But that doesn't make epigenetic effects any less non-choice. Nor does it mean that there is an actual genetic effect that would override a given epigenetic effect.
But Lisa did not simply state that both genetic and epigenetic factors were "non-choice," she compared the less prevalent epigenetic factors to the factors produced dominantly by genetic ones, eye and hair color. Transgender ideology wants to assert that the former set of factors trumps the latter, but that's an assertion based in ideology first and science second.
 
But Lisa did not simply state that both genetic and epigenetic factors were "non-choice," she compared the less prevalent epigenetic factors to the factors produced dominantly by genetic ones, eye and hair color. Transgender ideology wants to assert that the former set of factors trumps the latter, but that's an assertion based in ideology first and science second.
You are reading far too much into it. You can compare two things as long as they have a commonality with regards to what you are comparing them for. We hear the saying that one is comparing apples to oranges. That is legitimate in the framework of comparing fruits. We can compare apples to broccoli if we're doing so in the framework of grown foods. Nothing of what she said indicates the epigenetics trumps genetics. That's you inserting the idea in there, effectively making a strawman argument. Nor is there any indicator that there is a genetic factor that would override the claimed epigenetic factor. Any assertion of such is based on ideology first and science second. The true science of it, is it is not known what the actual cause is. Personally, I think part of the reason, at least, is that there is no one cause, just like there is no one virus or germ that causes the common cold. We can talk about some of the results such as intersex conditions, or variant brain structures, but that would not be the ultimate cause.
 
But Lisa did not simply state that both genetic and epigenetic factors were "non-choice," she compared the less prevalent epigenetic factors to the factors produced dominantly by genetic ones, eye and hair color. Transgender ideology wants to assert that the former set of factors trumps the latter, but that's an assertion based in ideology first and science second.
1.)There is no transgender ideology or trans agenda. They don't exist.

2.) I was not trying to compare/contrast epigenetics and genetics. I was comparing two different characteristics that are not a choice. You are trying to read something into what I said that is just not there.

3.) Annoy someone else.
 
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But Lisa did not simply state that both genetic and epigenetic factors were "non-choice," she compared the less prevalent epigenetic factors to the factors produced dominantly by genetic ones, eye and hair color. Transgender ideology wants to assert that the former set of factors trumps the latter, but that's an assertion based in ideology first and science second.
Epigenetics is also based in biology.
In biology, epigenetics is the study of changes in gene expression that happen without changes to the DNA sequence. The Greek prefix epi- in epigenetics implies features that are "on top of" or "in addition to" the traditional genetic mechanism of inheritance. Epigenetics usually involves a change that is not erased by cell division, and affects the regulation of gene expression.
Wiki'
 
You are reading far too much into it. You can compare two things as long as they have a commonality with regards to what you are comparing them for. We hear the saying that one is comparing apples to oranges. That is legitimate in the framework of comparing fruits. We can compare apples to broccoli if we're doing so in the framework of grown foods. Nothing of what she said indicates the epigenetics trumps genetics. That's you inserting the idea in there, effectively making a strawman argument. Nor is there any indicator that there is a genetic factor that would override the claimed epigenetic factor. Any assertion of such is based on ideology first and science second. The true science of it, is it is not known what the actual cause is. Personally, I think part of the reason, at least, is that there is no one cause, just like there is no one virus or germ that causes the common cold. We can talk about some of the results such as intersex conditions, or variant brain structures, but that would not be the ultimate cause.
You are reading Lisa's statement as a simple comparison and choosing to ignore the ideological underpinnings that she has continually voiced. That's your strawman argument and you're free to remain married to it.
 
1.)There is no transgender ideology or trans agenda. They don't exist.

2.) I was not trying to compare/contrast epigenetics and genetics. I was comparing two different characteristics that are not a choice. You are trying to read something into what I said that is just not there.

3.) Annoy someone else.
(1) If no trans ideology or agenda exists, what do trans advocates use to justify their positions? I hope you do not plan to say "science," because you still have not answered my original question as to whether you are regarding epigenetic factors as determinative of gender (as opposed to sexual) identity.
(2) I asked a legitimate question based on your statements here and you have dodged the question.
(3) You first.
 
Social Interpretations of scientific data are organized by ideology. If it helps, I'm not claiming that (say) Clax is any less ideological in his posts than you are.

Science is objective and so are the results. There is not social or ideological about interpreting the results, unless someone is trying to spin the results to an ignorant audience.
If this was supposed to be a link it didn't work.
 
Simple

If you have a penis and they have a penis and you play with it it is most likely gay

If you have a vagina and they have a vagina and you play with it, it is most likely gay

Or who the heck cares
 
(1) If no trans ideology or agenda exists, what do trans advocates use to justify their positions? I hope you do not plan to say "science," because you still have not answered my original question as to whether you are regarding epigenetic factors as determinative of gender (as opposed to sexual) identity.
(2) I asked a legitimate question based on your statements here and you have dodged the question.
(3) You first.
There are no such thing as trans advocates except for those fighting for equal rights. There is no such thing as trans ideology unless you also believe there is a cancer, diabetes or depression ideology. This is purely a medical condition defined by psychological factors.

 
There are no such thing as trans advocates except for those fighting for equal rights.
What rights do trans people not have?
There is no such thing as trans ideology unless you also believe there is a cancer, diabetes or depression ideology. This is purely a medical condition defined by psychological factors.
Then how do people like lilly Tino get away with mocking trans people like he does?
 
Equal service in a puiblic business.
That's not a right anyone has nobody has the right to business
Equal access to necessary healthcare.
This is also not a right anyone has.

So you want to invent new rights. Which is fine but explain why they're necessary.
Who is that?
When you crawl out from under your rock maybe you'll know.
 
This thread is proof that MAGAs priorities are completely ****ed up as they watch Trump burn the country to the ground and burn the economy to the ground and defund cancer research and make it harder to get vaccines. They're still stuck on gay people and what happens in others people's bedrooms and who sticks their dick in who.

I've been saying this for decades but there's something seriously wrong with a lot of people's brains that they just can't let other people be who they are. They're either born messed up, trained to be messed up, repressed or just hiding something.
 
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