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Is Hatred of Bigotry Bad?

Which statement is not true.

  • It's okay to hate bad people.

    Votes: 9 30.0%

  • Bigotry is bad.

    Votes: 9 30.0%

  • People who practice Bigotry are bad people

    Votes: 6 20.0%

  • White supremacists practice bigotry.

    Votes: 7 23.3%

  • White supremacists are bad people.

    Votes: 5 16.7%

  • It's okay to hate white supremacists.

    Votes: 7 23.3%

  • Hatred of white supremacists is not bad.

    Votes: 3 10.0%

  • Hatred of white supremacists is not bigotry.

    Votes: 4 13.3%

  • These statements are all true.

    Votes: 14 46.7%
  • Total voters
    30
MrWonka said:
First, you didn't bolden the most important part.
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Yes I did. It's not my fault you lack the proper reading comprehension skills.

So I did it for you.
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No you didn't and its cute you think you did.

Second, I have displayed no prejudice.
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Your labeling President Trump supporters as bigots.

Just because you don't understand why there is sufficient information available to judge a person effectively does not make me the problem.
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You're a hateful and highly judgmental bigot. IDK how your unable to understand that you and people like you are the problem.
 
MrWonka said:
That may actually be the first thing you got right.
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I've gotten everything right, you just don't like it because I refuse to buy into your excuses for violent political oppression.
 
If you think the saying MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN is akin to a swastika?.....you might be a bitter, raging, angry, unhinged LIB
 
Ikari said:
I can buy that Trump will go down as one of the worst and least liked Presidents we've ever had. But he is nowhere close to being in the same league as Hitler, Mussolini, or Stalin. That's just dumb.
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You're comparing results. I'm more concerned about intent. Trump is one button push away from a Nuclear Holocaust that would make Hitler look like a schoolboy. If randomly decided to launch a nuclear attack on Tehran virtually every single solitary person wearing a MAGA hat in public today would cheer at the top of their lungs. There would be memes posted all over Facebook just like this one...

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If you don't understand that then you are radically underestimating the disturbing nature of his most adamant supporters. If and when that day comes you'll want to do a hell of a lot more than punch someone in a MAGA hat. I'm just trying to stop him before we get there.
 
Is the poll trying to claim that hatred of an ideology and those who practice is bigotry?

Hatred of the ideology is certainly not bigotry because the ideology is not a person.

Hatred of white nationalists is not bigoted because it's not intolerance. It's reasoned objection.
 
ecofarm said:
Hatred of the ideology is certainly not bigotry because the ideology is not a person.
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In order for something to be bigotry, it has to be directed at the ideology. You have that exactly backward.
 
MrWonka said:
In order for something to be bigotry, it has to be directed at the ideology. You have that exactly backward.
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Black people are an ideology? Women are an ideology?
 
All those LIBs that side with Palestinians....they are all Jew Haters. Anti-Semites who want Palestine to overrun Israel. That's bigotry
 
Liberals hatred of Russia.....clearly bigotry of the worst kind.
 
MrWonka said:
They are the textbook definition.
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You don't even know these people and you're already judging them as bigots, because they voted for president Trump. That is the textbook definition of prejudice.

At a minimum, they are perfectly okay with his bigotry.
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We love what you people(individuals suffering from TDS) consider to be "his bigotry".
 
ecofarm said:
Bigotry targets people. Period.
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People are the end targets sure, but the hatred is directed at the group they are a member of not the individual. That is the point. You see what makes a hate crime worse than a regular crime is the fact that when you know that a crime was committed against a person for absolutely no other reason than the pure and simple fact that you share a genetic trait with someone you now have to fear a similar crime happening to you with the knowledge that there's no choice you could really make that would remove you as a target.

If you hear that a man murdered his wife and is now on the loose it's tragic, but it doesn't really give you cause to believe that your life is in danger. It's likely that his decision to kill his wife was based entirely on his anger towards her, and it seems unlikely that he would randomly be out looking for you. But if you hear that a man killed a black guy for absolutely no other reason than that he was black, and he is still at large it means that every black person in the area now has to wonder if they could potentially be the next victim.
 
MrWonka said:
People are the end targets sure, but the hatred is directed at the group they are a member of not the individual. That is the point. You see what makes a hate crime worse than a regular crime is the fact that when you know that a crime was committed against a person for absolutely no other reason than the pure and simple fact that you share a genetic trait with someone you now have to fear a similar crime happening to you with the knowledge that there's no choice you could really make that would remove you as a target.

If you hear that a man murdered his wife and is now on the loose it's tragic, but it doesn't really give you cause to believe that your life is in danger. It's likely that his decision to kill his wife was based entirely on his anger towards her, and it seems unlikely that he would randomly be out looking for you. But if you hear that a man killed a black guy for absolutely no other reason than that he was black, and he is still at large it means that every black person in the area now has to wonder if they could potentially be the next victim.
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That's why cop killers must be apprehended immediately and at all cost.

Nonetheless, bigotry targets people (yes, a group) and not an object. Marginalizing an object doesn't make sense because an object does not seek realization.
 
MrWonka said:
You're comparing results. I'm more concerned about intent. Trump is one button push away from a Nuclear Holocaust that would make Hitler look like a schoolboy. If randomly decided to launch a nuclear attack on Tehran virtually every single solitary person wearing a MAGA hat in public today would cheer at the top of their lungs. There would be memes posted all over Facebook just like this one...

If you don't understand that then you are radically underestimating the disturbing nature of his most adamant supporters. If and when that day comes you'll want to do a hell of a lot more than punch someone in a MAGA hat. I'm just trying to stop him before we get there.
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Pffft, Trump isn't going to nuke anyone. If you can't understand that, than you are too far gone to your hate to see it. Trump is a narcassistic egomaniac, that's true. But he's not Hitler, he's not Stalin, he's not trying to be either. He is a Corporatist. Part of the Corporate State. He is trying to remove all the hurdles, regulations, and oversight on mega corporations so he and his buddies can make more money. They don't want a nuclear war, they want a Trade War. Trade War will crush small business and leave the Corporations remaining when the dust clears.

Trump is just part of the new Aristocracy, pushing the Corporate State. A nuclear war does not benefit that. It's absurd to sit here and think that Trump's going to nuke everyone, so punching a kid in a MAGA hat will fix that. That's dumb.

Intent....Trump has no intent or ambitions towards the tyranny of Stalin or Hitler. He's just trying to make a buck and spin a Reality-TV show when it's all said and done.
 
CitizenBasehead said:
You don't even know these people and you're already judging them as bigots because they voted for president Trump. That is the textbook definition of prejudice.
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False. Donald Trump is such an overt and glaringly obvious bigot that the pure and simple fact that someone would be willing to vote for him demonstrates that at a minimum they don't see his bigotry as that big of a problem. They don't see his love for Nazis and Klan members as a reason to vote for him. They don't see his treatment of undocumented children as an inherently bad thing. They firmly believe that refugees from Muslim countries should be left there to die rather increase the likelihood that one of them gain citizenship.

You see back in WWII there were all kinds of Germans who supported Hitler not because they wanted to murder the Jews. They just thought he'd strengthen the economy, restore Germany's status in the world as a great and powerful nation. They knew he was treating Jews horribly, but that was of secondary concern and not a big enough deal to worry about. You know what we called those Germans? Nazis. It didn't matter why they supported Hitler they still did, and they're still scum. Now there may have been levels to their scum. Some might have actually worked prison camps and killed Jews personally compared to those who only voted for him, and wore the swastika with pride, but they're all scum. They were all terrible people, and there's nothing wrong with judging them that way.

The same is true of Trump's supporters. What excuse they give for why they let this scum back gain access to nuclear weapons doesn't matter. What matters is they did, and they're still proud of it. That means they're all scum, and that is a perfectly fair assessment of them.
 
Vladimir Putin said:
Liberals hatred of Russia...
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Actually, we hate Putin but given that at best maybe 55% of Russians actually want him to be their President it wouldn't be fair to judge all Russians negatively. Only the ones who love Putin.
 
Ikari said:
Pffft, Trump isn't going to nuke anyone.
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It's not a question of if Trump nukes somebody, it's a question of when. Trump has already been reported to have asked why he can't use nuclear weapons in Syria. His generals had to convince him that would be a war crime.

Ikari said:
If you can't understand that then you are too far gone to your hate to see it.
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On the day you realize you were wrong I will not accept your apology.
 
MrWonka said:
It's not a question of if Trump nukes somebody, it's a question of when. Trump has already been reported to have asked why he can't use nuclear weapons in Syria. His generals had to convince him that would be a war crime.
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It's beyond the pale to even think Trump will actually nuke anyone. It's so dumb, so absurd that it's nothing more than delusional. You want to excuse and justify violent political oppression based on some hallucination that Trump wants to nuke some place. There is no reason, logic, or intelligence in such a claim.

Trump is doing what he wants to do, he's installed his own swamp, he's neigh destroyed the EPA, he's gotten America so divided that we cannot think rationally anymore, he's starting Trade Wars designed to stifle small business. Everything he does, he does for the Corporate State. The end. Not some fantasy of nuking the world. Absolutely absurd.

MrWonka said:
On the day you realize you were wrong I will not accept your apology.
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Your acceptance of anything means nothing to me. You are so off base on this that it's not even funny. Some complete absurd delusion you concocted in order to justify violent political oppression. When Trump does eventually leave office and has nuked no one, you won't even try to seek an apology because you'll have dreamed up some other delusion to try to explain it away.

Meanwhile in the real world, at this time, your advocating violent political oppression. That's real. And violent political oppression is not compatible with a Free Republic.
 
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