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Is Fascism Right Wing?

Is fascism left or right wing?

  • Left

    Votes: 18 20.2%
  • Right

    Votes: 46 51.7%
  • Neither

    Votes: 16 18.0%
  • Description sucks

    Votes: 9 10.1%

  • Total voters
    89
Public financing of elections.

Make political ad time a condition of fcc liscensing under existing PSA structure. Include the top three parties, distribute time by lottery.

Nice, so only the "top 3 parties" are allowed to have a voice. This is your solution to people picking our candidates for us? Having....people pick our candidates for us? Try again.


That's false by definition because under a libertarian system the government wouldn't have favors to sell in the first place. It's your system, statism, that is to blame for the current corporate state.
 
In socialism the government owns all the business and makes sure that everyone is paid equally, and in communism the gov't owns everything and makes sure that everyone has everything they need.




"Communism means, 'Everyone wearing glasses gets their heads staved in with rifle butts,' while Socialism means, 'Drinks and smokes on the middle class'!" ~ Steve Mayer
 


Damn Stillballin, you were right on the mark.
 
Everything you just mentioned are perfect reasons why we need to reduce the government's power.

How do you get that out of what he said? He said corporations are running the Govt. and your answer it to weaken the govt. further so Corporations can take even more control?
The Govt. needs to protect us from Corporate greed so all of us can benefit from prosperity. That requires a STRONGER Govt.
 
Fascism is historically much closer to plutocracy ( corporatism ) than it is to democracy, making it much more akin to modern republicanism.

fascism [ˈfæʃɪzəm]
n (sometimes capital)
1. (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) any ideology or movement inspired by Italian Fascism, such as German National Socialism; any right-wing nationalist ideology or movement with an authoritarian and hierarchical structure that is fundamentally opposed to democracy and liberalism
2. (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) any ideology, movement, programme, tendency, etc., that may be characterized as right-wing, chauvinist, authoritarian, etc.
3. prejudice in relation to the subject specified body fascism
[from Italian fascismo, from fascio political group, from Latin fascis bundle; see fasces]

Interesting that the OP made it sound like Fascism was a German invention... That is wrong. It is Italian in origin.
 

No, if corporations are getting their power from government, then the obvious solution is to reduce the power of government. A stronger government just means more opportunity for lobbying the government.
 
No, if corporations are getting their power from government, then the obvious solution is to reduce the power of government. A stronger government just means more opportunity for lobbying the government.

The weaker our Govt. gets the more influence that corporations will have over it. Corporations are now "people" for God's sake. How can the Govt. let that happen?
 
The weaker our Govt. gets the more influence that corporations will have over it. Corporations are now "people" for God's sake. How can the Govt. let that happen?

That's what happens when you let an appointed panel of nine judges change what the laws mean.
 
The weaker our Govt. gets the more influence that corporations will have over it. Corporations are now "people" for God's sake. How can the Govt. let that happen?

Not true. The more our government spends and taxes, the more corporations have the incentive corporations have to lobby it.
 
Obama's ACA legislations shows us that it is left wing, forced commerce by a government, sound familiar?
 
It sounds like an insane interpretation of a government action.
 

Just because it's right-wing doesn't mean it's comparable to the United States. Fascism is second only to communism when it comes to sociopolitical policies that Americans don't understand at all, but hate it anyway.
 


Not exactly. It is the upper class wealth seizing the gov't with bribes, collusion, mutual benefits and I identified those beneficiaries. It's the Republican wet dream.
 

Make it 4 or 5, whatever.

But the govts current owners will never allow the libertarian govt they have convinced you is ideal.
 
Not exactly. It is the upper class wealth seizing the gov't with bribes, collusion, mutual benefits and I identified those beneficiaries. It's the Republican wet dream.

No, it's really not. Nazism and Italian Fascism were never movements driven by the "upperclass." To the contrary, they were both highly populist in nature, and actually made use of a great deal of the same "social justice" and "class warfare" rhetoric endemic to Communist movements and the modern political Left.

More traditional elites usually tended to despise both groups as they posed a threat to the existing status quo.

Rather than entice collusion, Fascists generally use the power of state bureaucracy to conquer the private sector and force it to do their bidding. If their approach to economic policy can be seen as being similar to any American political party, it would frankly be the DNC.

As a matter of fact, in historical reality, FDR's economic and social directives were dangerously similar to European-style fascism. Many of the Roosevelt Administration's policies, like the New Deal, massive Keynesian spending, and the authoritarian tarifs, regulations, and state directives laid upon the private sector during WW2, would've been right at home in either Nazi Germany or Fascist Italy. The FBI under Hoover was also about half a step away from being a full-on Gestapo style secret police force.

This honestly shouldn't be surprising, considering that FDR was a close personal friend of Mussolini, and often expressed great respect for his ideas and government before the war.
 
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Make it 4 or 5, whatever.

But the govts current owners will never allow the libertarian govt they have convinced you is ideal.

That's ironic. If we had a libertarian "government" then there wouldn't be one to own, much less buy and sell.
 
Coke vs Pepsi. Both soda, and neither are anywhere near as good for you as natural orange juice. And that's the scam, as long as you think the whole world is Pepsi vs Coke, they don't care, as long as you don't seriously consider any alternatives.

Left and right both seek to control the people with their own ideas and claim jurisdiction over people who don't vote for them. Fascism at its finest.
 
Is Fascism Right Wing?
No, like communism it is an extreme leftist ideology.
 
Really depends on the fascist. Like, the Nazi's would be considered centrists by American standards, but they were right wing by German Standards. Fascism can be either right wing or left. Authoritarian all the way, however.

I think that is key, authoritarianism. Do the oppressed who have their rights stripped and subjected to the whims of Jose in charge care whether they're being oppressed for party or profits? I don't think so.

Authoritarians, whether leaders or followers, value order, obedience, and conformity over liberty or individual rights and people can, and do, vote to have societies of this nature. Communism is the authoritarian left and fascism is the authoritarian right. On the bottom of the spectrum are libertarian extremes such as anarchy on the left and anarcho-capitalism on the right. In these, the government doesn't oppress, but there is no government to prevent oppression, so basically oppression is just privatized.

Somewhere in the middle is us, swinging left and right and more and less authoritarian, depending on the mood of the country and the effectiveness of various messengers. These days we fall in the center of the upper right quadrant, well to the right of the industrialized world and significantly more authoritarian as well.

It's ironic that some call Obama a socialist or communist, considering he would likely be the far right candidate in most of the world and differs from his opposition here only marginally (but folks sure make a big deal of those small differences)
 
That's ironic. If we had a libertarian "government" then there wouldn't be one to own, much less buy and sell.

And how do you propose to get there from here?

What path do you suggest?
 

I would argue that "corporatism" is simply an output of far right economics. The accumulation of wealth and power into the hand of a minority is the logical outcome of Capitalism. It hasn't been messed around with all that much, the tenants are still the same: Profits, Markets, Private Ownership. I would argue that the corporatism is simply an output of this system that leads to this system.
 
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