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Is Elon Musk spending $ 44 Bazillion on Twitter a sign of Late Stage Capitalism?

If modern capitalism produces an Elon Musk, what does it say about the economic system?


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If modern capitalism is functioning well, and it produces an Elon Musk, who can effectively burn $44 billion dollars and disrupt countless lives / businesses 'for the lols', what does this say about the system?

When I said 'modern capitalism', I'm referring to the choices that the government makes that allows single people or small families to accrue more wealth than some countries. Capitalism, of course, does not exist in any real capacity without government.
 
If modern capitalism is functioning well, and it produces an Elon Musk, who can effectively burn $44 billion dollars and disrupt countless lives / businesses 'for the lols', what does this say about the system?
That's a big "if.' Musk doesn't suggest he's doing it "for the lols." And his motivation does not appear to be less than the motivation of Twitter's previous owners.
When I said 'modern capitalism', I'm referring to the choices that the government makes that allows single people or small families to accrue more wealth than some countries. Capitalism, of course, does not exist in any real capacity without government.
Capitalism can exist without government, as capitalism is an economic system in which property is chiefly held by private individuals and private associations of individuals, as opposed to the State or governments.

To function well, any economic system requires a set of laws and a government to enforce them. Society cannot exist in any real capacity without a government., which is the word we use to describe the governing entity of any group of individuals. A private organization adopts rules of governance and a government within itself. A State adopts a government and rules of governance applicable to the collection of private individuals and associations which are part of that State.
 
If modern capitalism is functioning well, and it produces an Elon Musk, who can effectively burn $44 billion dollars and disrupt countless lives / businesses 'for the lols', what does this say about the system?

When I said 'modern capitalism', I'm referring to the choices that the government makes that allows single people or small families to accrue more wealth than some countries. Capitalism, of course, does not exist in any real capacity without government.
What a drama...
and whose lives did he destroy?
 
That's a big "if.' Musk doesn't suggest he's doing it "for the lols."

That's actually the defense of Musk that some of his supporters put forth. That it's 'his now, he can do what he wants with it' and there doesn't appear to be any business model in mind. He needs to generate ~1.2 billion just to break even, and his Blue Checks model brought in... what, a million dollars? If that.

And his motivation does not appear to be less than the motivation of Twitter's previous owners.

You mean his motivation isn't to burn it to the ground? His motivation is actually to turn a profit? So you're saying my opinion of Musk is correct, that he's among the worst businessmen on the planet, and that he amassed such a fortune is more a function of a fake-meritocracy than intellect or skill.

Even if Musk didn't do this for the 'lols' (and it just turned out that way), it doesn't really change the nature of my question. Seems like a fair question to me. Governments, through policy, allows individuals to attain more wealth than ever before, which amounts to political influence, as well as the ability to shape human history in the hands of a few. Is that healthy for an economic system?

Capitalism can exist without government, as capitalism is an economic system in which property is chiefly held by private individuals and private associations of individuals, as opposed to the State or governments.

Okay, so which currency do you use? Trading in beaver pelts and sheep skins seems more like barter to me.

To function well, any economic system requires a set of laws and a government to enforce them. Society cannot exist in any real capacity without a government., which is the word we use to describe the governing entity of any group of individuals.

Hey, you actually understand the purpose of government. You're way ahead of the people I usually engage with. There are people on these forums who think that we don't need government.

A private organization adopts rules of governance and a government within itself. A State adopts a government and rules of governance applicable to the collection of private individuals and associations which are part of that State.

Seems like you have a decent grasp of the basics.
 
Maybe, but it's not characteristically different than Bezos buying The Washington Post.


LMAO... Bezo's paid $250M over 10 years ago for the Washington Post and it's been profitable till this year... Yeah, one is a colossal blunder and the other is Bezos getting a great deal on the Washington Post...
 
LMAO... Bezo's paid $250M over 10 years ago for the Washington Post and it's been profitable till this year... Yeah, one is a colossal blunder and the other is Bezos getting a great deal on the Washington Post...
I have no opinion on what is or isn't a "blunder" and who got a good deal. Lots of people open lots of businesses every day and they are high risk propositions that many other people would consider a "blunder." The point is that people didn't start calling this a problem, whether a sign that capitalism is dying or a political issue where it's some threat to democracy, until Musk bought Twitter. If Bezos bought Twitter, the same idiots railing about Musk's purchase would be creaming their pants over Bezos taking Twitter to the next level.
 
Capitalism, of course, does not exist in any real capacity without government.

Of course that's completely false. There are countless examples of capitalism and markets working to get goods and services to people even with the state actively trying to destroy them.
 
What a drama...
and whose lives did he destroy?

I didn't say destroy. I said disrupt. Many businesses use Twitter to function and communicate effectively, many organizations use Twitter to organize and communicate, and even governments used it to spread a message. It was always a right-wing cesspool, with an algorithm that demonstrably favored the right-wing (despite the right-wing diaper-whining that they're being censored), but now it's kind of a hate sewer with no redeeming value, with no real rules or terms of service beyond the mood of a rich weirdo.
 
I have no opinion on what is or isn't a "blunder" and who got a good deal. Lots of people open lots of businesses every day and they are high risk propositions that many other people would consider a "blunder." The point is that people didn't start calling this a problem, whether a sign that capitalism is dying or a political issue where it's some threat to democracy, until Musk bought Twitter. If Bezos bought Twitter, the same idiots railing about Musk's purchase would be creaming their pants over Bezos taking Twitter to the next level.

Many people think billionaires (especially Bezos) buying the Washington Post a problem. What are you talking about here? Bezos isn't a so-called lib, and there are no good billionaires.
 
Many people think billionaires (especially Bezos) buying the Washington Post a problem. What are you talking about here? Bezos isn't a so-called lib, and there are no good billionaires.

But there are some very, very good millionaires, correct?
 
But there are some very, very good millionaires, correct?

'First they came for the billionaires, but I didn't act because I wasn't a billionaire. Then they came for the millionaires.'

#NeverAgain
 
That's actually the defense of Musk that some of his supporters put forth. That it's 'his now, he can do what he wants with it' and there doesn't appear to be any business model in mind. He needs to generate ~1.2 billion just to break even, and his Blue Checks model brought in... what, a million dollars? If that.
Well, just because we don't know his business plan, doesn't mean he doesn't have one. And, he has run successful businesses before. So, I'll reserve judgment until he's had some time to restructure it. Plainly, what Twitter was before needed revamping, IMO. We shall see if it turns out to be a good deal.
You mean his motivation isn't to burn it to the ground? His motivation is actually to turn a profit? So you're saying my opinion of Musk is correct, that he's among the worst businessmen on the planet, and that he amassed such a fortune is more a function of a fake-meritocracy than intellect or skill.
Your conclusion doesn't follow from your premise. Sure, his motivation is to turn a profit, and he also has a motivation to do good in terms of a fair public square platform that doesn't work for one party over another. He has had failed businesses, but he's also had very successful ones. He's had control of Twitter for a few weeks. It's too early to tell if his revamp will work.
Even if Musk didn't do this for the 'lols' (and it just turned out that way),
It hasn't "turned out" any way. There is no reasonable support for any allegation that Musk should have magically restructured Twitter in a month or two. Shit, just dealing with the payroll issue is taking him 3-6 months. He has to cut large severance checks to a huge percentage of the company's employees, and he's working to restructure how Twitter operates. That doesn't happen in a few weeks.
it doesn't really change the nature of my question. Seems like a fair question to me. Governments, through policy, allows individuals to attain more wealth than ever before,
This is not accurate, as in the past there has been huge fortunes amassed by individuals. Carnegie, Rockefeller, Morgan, Frick, Flagler, Vanderbilt, Hunt, Mellon, DuPont, Getty, etc. etc etc.
which amounts to political influence, as well as the ability to shape human history in the hands of a few. Is that healthy for an economic system?
Perhaps not, but that problem is worse in non-capitalist systems. There are suspected trillionaires in the fascist and monarchical regimes of the middle east. In Communist countries, all the wealth was and is held by the very few (party leaders). In the capitalist West, the economic freedom allows for very wealthy people, yes, but it also allows for the greater good for the greater number.
Okay, so which currency do you use? Trading in beaver pelts and sheep skins seems more like barter to me.
Money existed, and then governments took it over by backing it with governmental promises, rather than independent value. Money was created by people. There are many advantages to a single money system operated by a government, yes. But that is not the same thing as suggesting that money can't exist without a government. It can, and has.
Hey, you actually understand the purpose of government. You're way ahead of the people I usually engage with. There are people on these forums who think that we don't need government.
"Need" is a loaded term. And, humans can exist without governments. Life would be very different if we had no government, and government serves a very good purpose -- that's why "governments are instituted among men." They aren't natural things, they are creations of people.
Seems like you have a decent grasp of the basics.
LOL - thanks, I guess.
 
I didn't say destroy. I said disrupt. Many businesses use Twitter to function and communicate effectively, many organizations use Twitter to organize and communicate, and even governments used it to spread a message. It was always a right-wing cesspool, with an algorithm that demonstrably favored the right-wing (despite the right-wing diaper-whining that they're being censored), but now it's kind of a hate sewer with no redeeming value, with no real rules or terms of service beyond the mood of a rich weirdo.
You don't even realize how frivolous this is.
I am watching this "tragedy" from the side and... how much you are spoiled by life. It is important to you who is in charge on Twitter, left or right. A global problem, needless to say...
over the past six months, I have already buried three colleagues, two of whom I have known for more than 20 years. Unfortunately, and maybe fortunately, I don't understand your troubles... where lives are "disrupt".
 
But there are some very, very good millionaires, correct?
All depends on one's moral milieu. LOL. What is "good?"

Can a billionaire do good? Can a millionaire do good? Sure.

What makes a "good person" other than his or her pattern of doing "good" things?

Hasn't Musk done good? Hasn't Bezos?
 
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If modern capitalism is functioning well, and it produces an Elon Musk, who can effectively burn $44 billion dollars and disrupt countless lives / businesses 'for the lols', what does this say about the system?

When I said 'modern capitalism', I'm referring to the choices that the government makes that allows single people or small families to accrue more wealth than some countries. Capitalism, of course, does not exist in any real capacity without government.
Of course it means that you should remind Mildred not to forget the can opener when you head to the bunker.

The end is nigh.
 
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