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Is due process a human right? (from a moral perspective)

Is due process a human right?

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aociswundumho said:
No, my alternative is private enforcement. It's not a radical idea, as there are already more people working for private security firms than there are cops, and private arbitration is a rapidly growing industry because of the failure of government-run courts.
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So whoever can afford the biggest possie gets to tell you what to do. Yeah can't see anything wrong going there...
:ROFLMAO:(y)(y)
 
ataraxia said:
I guess the question then is why anyone would think the concept exists somewhere in nature outside of human societies and just being a social construct. It's like thinking the concept of civil law or fairness exists in nature waiting to be found. It seems to me this is all just stuff we humans make up, rather than find- like our systems of language, laws of grammar, currency systems, etc...
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Outside of human society, there is no concept of "good vs evil." The lions are not evil when they seek out a gazelle to be their prey. They are simply seeking food to survive, as all 'predators' do.
 
aociswundumho said:
No, my alternative is private enforcement.
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Clan warfare. If you have the resources to hire mercenaries, they will enforce your 'claims.'
aociswundumho said:
It's not a radical idea, as there are already more people working for private security firms than there are cops, and private arbitration is a rapidly growing industry because of the failure of government-run courts.
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Private arbitration is a tool of the powerful to deny access to the courts by the small and weak.
 
Stealers Wheel said:
Outside of human society, there is no concept of "good vs evil." The lions are not evil when they seek out a gazelle to be their prey. They are simply seeking food to survive, as all 'predators' do.
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Elephants mourn their dead and help injured members of the herd. Rats also demonstrate empathy:

www.livescience.com

Empathetic Rats Help Each Other Out

Rats are empathetic enough to help other rats in distress, say scientists who found the rodents freed their cage-mates from containers even if no reward was given.
www.livescience.com www.livescience.com
 
aociswundumho said:
No,
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Why not? If I can afford a bigger possie than you, what's to keep me from imposing my will on you?
aociswundumho said:
that's what we have now.
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No- the current system still has some accountability and checks and balances- even to you, since we're still sort of a democracy. You get a say. That's how you close the loop.
 
aociswundumho said:
Elephants mourn their dead and help injured members of the herd. Rats also demonstrate empathy:

www.livescience.com

Empathetic Rats Help Each Other Out

Rats are empathetic enough to help other rats in distress, say scientists who found the rodents freed their cage-mates from containers even if no reward was given.
www.livescience.com www.livescience.com
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Yes. We all know that humans treat each other perfectly when left free... :ROFLMAO: (y)
 
Stealers Wheel said:
Not a big fan of civil juries, eh?
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See I told you it was going to revert to this argument that everyone will behave perfect if just left alone. So funny. It's like these folks have never been out in the real world.
 
ataraxia said:
Why not? If I can afford a bigger possie than you, what's to keep me from imposing my will on you?
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Violence is costly - economically, socially, even personally - which is why only a small fraction of people are actually violent. Governments however promote violence. Politicians can start a wars without bearing the consequences, because someone else pays the price, usually in blood or taxes.
 
aociswundumho said:
Violence is costly - economically, socially, even personally - which is why only a small fraction of people are actually violent. Governments however promote violence. Politicians can start a wars without bearing the consequences, because someone else pays the price, usually in blood or taxes.
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Mob bosses order their possies to do their dirty work.
 
aociswundumho said:
Elephants mourn their dead and help injured members of the herd. Rats also demonstrate empathy:

www.livescience.com

Empathetic Rats Help Each Other Out

Rats are empathetic enough to help other rats in distress, say scientists who found the rodents freed their cage-mates from containers even if no reward was given.
www.livescience.com www.livescience.com
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Many higher mammals are known to grieve. Elephants are also known to collectively destroy entire villages if they believe the villages prevent their access to food or are a threat to the herd. Nothing evil about it.
 
Stealers Wheel said:
Fellow citizens are just too unreliable.
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No, they are simply too incompetent. You've got to be able to focus, evaluate arguments, weigh evidence, etc. Just look at some of the "debates" in this forum, and imagine someone's life depending on the same kind of people.
 
Stealers Wheel said:
And you would prefer that the Bill of Rights not even be a factor in neighborly disputes. Might makes right is always much preferable, according to aociswundumho.
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That's actually how cops operate, in case you haven't noticed.
 
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