Is diversity a threat to America? (1 Viewer)

[DA60]

Oh yea, the progress caused by diversity in the last 50 years has allowed us stalemate in government,
things that ought to be done can't be done. How many congressional caucuses were there before Johnson's
administration probably none: While today every little minority group seeks sell satisfaction damaging the whole.

1) The Congressional Black Caucus for African-Americans

2) Congressional Asian Pacific American Caucus

3) 2 Hispanic caucuses

4) American Sikh Congressional Caucus

5) The Congressional Asian Pacific American Caucus

6) Freedom Caucus

All thanks to the diversity of the last 50 years.

Lol...thanks for proving my point.

Oh, you might wanna call your dry cleaners and see if you they got all the stains out of your white hood.


Bu bye now.

 

[slick]

Lol...thanks for proving my point.

Oh, you might wanna call your dry cleaners and see if you they got all the stains out of your white hood.


Bu bye now.

Being your as WASP as it gets here is a bit of diversity we can agree on. How about a Protestant
on the SUPREME COURT! For the first 40 years of the court every justice was protestant & it wasn't
until the Obama administration 210 years later when there came a time that the court had exactly
zero protestant justices.

Let's get Judge Neil M. Gorsuch confirmed & fast.

 

[radcen]

You didn't answer my question.

I believe in the constitutional right to self determination, which entails the right to freely determine one's political, cultural, or social identity. I have absolutely no problem with any flag whatsoever. Likewise I have absolutely no problem with being a hyphenated American. It's a constitutional right to hyphenate and to fly any flag on US soil. We have the right to be individuals.

I am consistent.

Are you consistent?

You were trying to lead me into a "got'cha" with the Confederate flag aspect. And I believe I did answer your question, though maybe not as directly as you were hoping. I said, a flag is a flag is a flag. Maybe it's just me, but I think that's pretty clear that it is consistent. Not to mention the rest of my answer. It's all-inclusive.

I do not believe in *-American, for anyone, because that is divisive and counterproductive to assimilation. Note the "for anyone". That is consistent, as well. I will defend all who say, "I am of *-heritage.", but not the divisive *-American label. "*-American" is almost hostile because it purposely segregates in a "You people go over there and MY people will stay over here.", way. That's not good.

 

[radcen]

I have listened to people argue about "cultural appropriation," and I have reached much of the same conclusion as you. Cultural appropriation is wrong and unacceptable, and it also tends to be a white person taking something from another ethnic group... dressing like a geisha, dressing in Indian clothing, etc. Then when I hear all this pressure of assimilation, it sounds like the only culture acceptable to appropriate is white culture. Acting white or being "westernized" is acceptable for everybody.

Cultural appropriation. There's a rabbit hole with no exit.

And you are at least somewhat correct that it tends to be whites "appropriating" the culture of others. That's the direction the accusations tend to go.

But is it really predominantly a one-way street, or has "cultural appropriation" been devised as another figurative hammer to further divide and segregate people into separate subgroups? We're all supposed to get along and intermingle and stuff like that... but don't you (usually white) people dare do what we do! That's insulting. WTF? Really?

I've seen the cultural appropriation label been used for things like hair styles. A white person blamed of cultural appropriation for doing their hair in dreadlocks or corn rows, for example. Ok. Is it then also cultural appropriation for a black person to dye their hair blond?

 

[TheGoverness]

Cultural appropriation. There's a rabbit hole with no exit.

And you are at least somewhat correct that it tends to be whites "appropriating" the culture of others. That's the direction the accusations tend to go.

But is it really predominantly a one-way street, or has "cultural appropriation" been devised as another figurative hammer to further divide and segregate people into separate subgroups? We're all supposed to get along and intermingle and stuff like that... but don't you (usually white) people dare do what we do! That's insulting. WTF? Really?

I've seen the cultural appropriation label been used for things like hair styles. A white person blamed of cultural appropriation for doing their hair in dreadlocks or corn rows, for example. Ok. Is it then also cultural appropriation for a black person to dye their hair blond?

From what I've gathered from this "Cultural Appropriation" nonsense, it is something that it's proponents apply only to white people. But even complaining about "cultural appropriation" is just dumb. I mean we live in America for Christ's sake: it is a melting pot. Are certain cultures not allowed to blend together here, or what?

Should I be condemned for liking Rap and R&B music because I'm not black? Should I be condemned for being an anime fan even though I'm not Japanese?

 

[radcen]

From what I've gathered from this "Cultural Appropriation" nonsense, it is something that it's proponents apply only to white people. But even complaining about "cultural appropriation" is just dumb. I mean we live in America: it is a melting pot. Are certain cultures not allowed to blend together here, or what?

It's usually done by the more hypocritical extremes. "I am not part of your group, but I want what your group has and to be accepted into your group. But my group will remain separate and you are not allowed in and you can't have what we have."

 

[Harry Guerrilla]

Cultural appropriation. There's a rabbit hole with no exit.

And you are at least somewhat correct that it tends to be whites "appropriating" the culture of others. That's the direction the accusations tend to go.

But is it really predominantly a one-way street, or has "cultural appropriation" been devised as another figurative hammer to further divide and segregate people into separate subgroups? We're all supposed to get along and intermingle and stuff like that... but don't you (usually white) people dare do what we do! That's insulting. WTF? Really?

I've seen the cultural appropriation label been used for things like hair styles. A white person blamed of cultural appropriation for doing their hair in dreadlocks or corn rows, for example. Ok. Is it then also cultural appropriation for a black person to dye their hair blond?

Could you imagine the world, if we logically "reappropriated" all the "culture" back to it's originators?
So many moaning and crying people there would be.

"Dreadlocks" is not really a Black or any one cultural thing.
Neanderthals have been shown to have platted hair and are ancestors of European and Asian people.

 

[TheGoverness]

Could you imagine the world, if we logically "reappropriated" all the "culture" back to it's originators?
So many moaning and crying people there would be.

"Dreadlocks" is not really a Black or any one cultural thing.
Neanderthals have been shown to have platted hair and are ancestors of European and Asian people.

Why some people are so petty that they give a **** about a random white dude wearing dreadlocks, I'll never understand.

 

[Harry Guerrilla]

Why some people are so petty that they give a **** about a random white dude wearing dreadlocks, I'll never understand.

It's Sayre's law in full effect.

"In any dispute the intensity of feeling is inversely proportional to the value of the issues at stake."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayre's_law

If they wish to keep their dreadlocks, that's cool, but I get to keep my steam engine and have electricity in my home.
It's only fair.

 

[TheGoverness]

It's Sayre's law in full effect.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayre's_law

If they wish to keep their dreadlocks, that's cool, but I get to keep my steam engine and have electricity in my home.
It's only fair.

Going by that logic, that would make total sense. And it just shows why this "cultural appropriation" BS is just that: BS.

 

[radcen]

Could you imagine the world, if we logically "reappropriated" all the "culture" back to it's originators?
So many moaning and crying people there would be.

"Dreadlocks" is not really a Black or any one cultural thing.
Neanderthals have been shown to have platted hair and are ancestors of European and Asian people.

You mean it was already appropriated???

:2razz:

 

[Harry Guerrilla]

Going by that logic, that would make total sense. And it just shows why this "cultural appropriation" BS is just that: BS.

You mean it was already appropriated???

:2razz:

It's such an idiotic premise.
Information sharing is one of the corner stones of human progress and to think that people should hoard it away, because of their skin color or ethnicity is the height of retardation.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Going by that logic, that would make total sense. And it just shows why this "cultural appropriation" BS is just that: BS.

Everybody seems to be so touchy anymore.

Many forgot how to have fun.

Not me though!

 

[radcen]

It's such an idiotic premise.
Information sharing is one of the corner stones of human progress and to think that people should hoard it away, because of their skin color or ethnicity is the height of retardation.

I guess we should discourage black men from marrying white women. They might start eating sandwiches on white bread with mayonnaise.

You have to have seen the movie Undercover Brother to get the reference.

 

[Harry Guerrilla]

I guess we should discourage black men from marrying white women. They might start eating sandwiches on white bread with mayonnaise.

You have to have seen the movie Undercover Brother to get the reference.

:lol:

Good one.

 

[SheWolf]

You were trying to lead me into a "got'cha" with the Confederate flag aspect. And I believe I did answer your question, though maybe not as directly as you were hoping. I said, a flag is a flag is a flag. Maybe it's just me, but I think that's pretty clear that it is consistent. Not to mention the rest of my answer. It's all-inclusive.

I do not believe in *-American, for anyone, because that is divisive and counterproductive to assimilation. Note the "for anyone". That is consistent, as well. I will defend all who say, "I am of *-heritage.", but not the divisive *-American label. "*-American" is almost hostile because it purposely segregates in a "You people go over there and MY people will stay over here.", way. That's not good.

But people have a right to hyphenate. It is their right to hyphenate as much as it is fly a flag other than the US flag.

 

[SheWolf]

Cultural appropriation. There's a rabbit hole with no exit.

And you are at least somewhat correct that it tends to be whites "appropriating" the culture of others. That's the direction the accusations tend to go.

But is it really predominantly a one-way street, or has "cultural appropriation" been devised as another figurative hammer to further divide and segregate people into separate subgroups? We're all supposed to get along and intermingle and stuff like that... but don't you (usually white) people dare do what we do! That's insulting. WTF? Really?

I've seen the cultural appropriation label been used for things like hair styles. A white person blamed of cultural appropriation for doing their hair in dreadlocks or corn rows, for example. Ok. Is it then also cultural appropriation for a black person to dye their hair blond?

My point is that we are kind of all pressured to assimilate to white culture.... anything else is appropriation. That's the way I view it. I have never heard anybody attacked for appropriating white people.

 

[radcen]

But people have a right to hyphenate. It is their right to hyphenate as much as it is fly a flag other than the US flag.

You are absolutely correct. They have the right to. So? Does a right automatically equal it being a wise choice?

Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

 

[SheWolf]

You are absolutely correct. They have the right to. So? Does a right automatically equal it being a wise choice?

Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

I don't care about small things. I don't care about cultural appropriation either... :lol:

If somebody prefers being called African-American, I will call them that. It doesn't offended me, upset me, or cause me to feel guilty about slavery or anything.

We just celebrated Saint Patricks Day in America. He is the patron Saint of Ireland. Is that wrong? I know a lot of people with Irish ancestry, and they were having a blast with "kiss me, I am Irish" stuff and all the cultural traditions. One girl I know even has a four leaf clover tattoo, because she identifies as Irish.

Not offended, not one bit. Thinking that I should be offended by any of it really doesn't make any sense to me.

 

[radcen]

My point is that we are kind of all pressured to assimilate to white culture.... anything else is appropriation. That's the way I view it. I have never heard anybody attacked for appropriating white people.

And you probably won't. It's not a proverbial verbal "weapon" of whites. (They have others.)

And, for good or for bad, for right or for wrong, the country and society IS predominantly a white western European culture. Sorry, it just is. I'm pretty sure that if any of us were to emigrate to any other country we would be expected to assimilate into whatever their dominant culture is, too. No one is going to change their whole society just for us, nor should they.

It's a fair question to ask: If the dominant culture is so offensive to you to begin with, why are you going there at all?

Don't mistake that to mean that newer infusions of culture can't come in and be assimilated into the current dominant culture. That's fantastic. I love when that happens. But it's also usually a fairly slow process. It doesn't happen quickly and it doesn't happen because it's demanded.

 

[radcen]

I don't care about small things. I don't care about cultural appropriation either... :lol:

If somebody prefers being called African-American, I will call them that. It doesn't offended me, upset me, or cause me to feel guilty about slavery or anything.

We just celebrated Saint Patricks Day in America. He is the patron Saint of Ireland. Is that wrong? I know a lot of people with Irish ancestry, and they were having a blast with "kiss me, I am Irish" stuff and all the cultural traditions. One girl I know even has a four leaf clover tattoo, because she identifies as Irish.

Not offended, not one bit. Thinking that I should be offended by any of it really doesn't make any sense to me.

Somebody calling them self "*-American" doesn't offend me, per se, but I do feel that they are doing themselves a serious long-term disservice by doing so. I do not rail against it, but in a forum like this, if asked like this thread does, I will give my opinion and state why I see it as a bad idea.

And actually, the St Pat's example is a good one. People... including all non-Irish ethnicities... all over the place wearing green, "acting Irish" with all the drunken and promiscuous stereotypes and everything else that goes with it. Imagine Kwanzaa being treated a similar way. White people dressing in traditional African garb, and stuff. That would be roundly denounced as insulting, racist, cultural appropriation, and so on. Why the difference in standards, if not hypocrisy?

 

[radcen]

I don't care about small things. I don't care about cultural appropriation either... :lol:

If somebody prefers being called African-American, I will call them that. It doesn't offended me, upset me, or cause me to feel guilty about slavery or anything.

We just celebrated Saint Patricks Day in America. He is the patron Saint of Ireland. Is that wrong? I know a lot of people with Irish ancestry, and they were having a blast with "kiss me, I am Irish" stuff and all the cultural traditions. One girl I know even has a four leaf clover tattoo, because she identifies as Irish.

Not offended, not one bit. Thinking that I should be offended by any of it really doesn't make any sense to me.

Rachael Dolezal identifies as black. Is she?

 

[SheWolf]

And you probably won't. It's not a proverbial verbal "weapon" of whites. (They have others.)

And, for good or for bad, for right or for wrong, the country and society IS predominantly a white western European culture. Sorry, it just is. I'm pretty sure that if any of us were to emigrate to any other country we would be expected to assimilate into whatever their dominant culture is, too. No one is going to change their whole society just for us, nor should they.

It's a fair question to ask: If the dominant culture is so offensive to you to begin with, why are you going there at all?

Don't mistake that to mean that newer infusions of culture can't come in and be assimilated into the current dominant culture. That's fantastic. I love when that happens. But it's also usually a fairly slow process. It doesn't happen quickly and it doesn't happen because it's demanded.

I think there is a difference between assimilation and diversity, and using hyphens helps explains diversity in a historical and factual way. For example, the cast of Jersey Shore are Italian-Americans from the Jersey Shore. They call themselves "guidos." They represent Italian-American culture in and around the Jersey Shore. They have lived in America for generations. They are fully assimilated into American society, and they assimilated into their community where guido subculture is popular.

During WWII there were German-Americans who identified as Nazis and started Nazi organizations in America. They held the same Nazi philosophical beliefs about Germans being a superior race, etc.

Even our concept of foreign food like Chinese, Mexican, and Italian is unique to American influence. I have had Turkish meat served with saurkraut and potatoes. We fuse cultures like that.

Analyzing groups of people as it relates to their heritage helps explain a lot about how America's uniqueness. You're also better informed if you recognize things like people of Irish and Italian backgrounds tend to be Catholic, the Amish came from Switzerland, etc.

 

[SheWolf]

Somebody calling them self "*-American" doesn't offend me, per se, but I do feel that they are doing themselves a serious long-term disservice by doing so. I do not rail against it, but in a forum like this, if asked like this thread does, I will give my opinion and state why I see it as a bad idea.

And actually, the St Pat's example is a good one. People... including all non-Irish ethnicities... all over the place wearing green, "acting Irish" with all the drunken and promiscuous stereotypes and everything else that goes with it. Imagine Kwanzaa being treated a similar way. White people dressing in traditional African garb, and stuff. That would be roundly denounced as insulting, racist, cultural appropriation, and so on. Why the difference in standards, if not hypocrisy?

I was have a party, but I am not Irish whatsoever... I don't see myself as "acting Irish."

We are in America but we have Irish holiday. Is it wrong?

As for Kwanzaa, I really think if you wanted to celebrate it in a respectful way, you would and should be treated with respect. If you had a friend celebrating it and wanted to participate, why not? There would be a huge difference if a bunch of white people got together, put on black face, and made fools out of themselves and called it their Kwanzaa celebration. Yes, I would find that offensive. Can white people actually do it in a respectful way, yes, I think so.

 

[SheWolf]

Rachael Dolezal identifies as black. Is she?

The difference is my friend is descended from Irish immigrants. She has a four leaf clover tattooed on herself and has been to Ireland and met family. She is proud of her Irish background for whatever reason. I don't judge her for it, and she is not hurting anybody by claiming her Irish ancestry.

Seriously, what American doesn't ever talk about their ancestry in some way? Americans looking into your ancestry and background is very, very common.