Is cutting education a good idea???

[presluc]

So?

..............

That's a lot of time.

Accomplishments?????eace

 

[presluc]

Actually, I'm more concerned with Republicans AND Democrats cutting PUBLIC school funding, than I am a college (community or otherwise).

Folks have a choice over which college they attend and which classes they take.

Public school children do not.


Next.

Nobody is a grown College applicant, everybody must go to school first.

Not everybody gets to go to private schools or prep schools some come up the hard way.
That would be public schools.

 

[washunut]

Nobody is a grown College applicant, everybody must go to school first.

Not everybody gets to go to private schools or prep schools some come up the hard way.
That would be public schools.

What makes public schools the hard way. Is it harder to get good grades in a public school?

 

[mac]

That's a lot of time.

Accomplishments?????eace

You want to talk in general or about education?

 

[maquiscat]

What makes public schools the hard way. Is it harder to get good grades in a public school?

No it's harder to get a good actual education, instead of a glossed over one that is geared towards the lowest denomination, instead of trying to raise the lower up higher. Thus they are less prepared for college and the world in general.

 

[maquiscat]

Nobody is a grown College applicant, everybody must go to school first.

Not everybody gets to go to private schools or prep schools some come up the hard way.
That would be public schools.

So what if they did have a choice....or rather their parents since they are minors that is.

 

[iamitter]

Nobody is a grown College applicant, everybody must go to school first.

Not everybody gets to go to private schools or prep schools some come up the hard way.
That would be public schools.

I went to a fantastic public school in lower manhattan. Not sure what hard way you're talking about - I turned out fine.

 

[presluc]

What makes public schools the hard way. Is it harder to get good grades in a public school?

The name of this thread is "is cutting education a good idea"?

Now a lot of people may look at the waste of taxpayer dollars that is spent on education.
That I agree with.

However a good teacher, one that has an interest in helping children learn, that is the one thing education needs.
You can not keep good teachers by cutting benefits and salaries, you can't outsource this job.
So you cut teachers salaries too much they will move to another job leaving the gap to be filled by others that are untrained.

When I was in grade school I thank my lucky stars I had good teachers, patient teachers understanding teachers, and a home that took interest in P.T.A.

The teachers of America are already looseing students, people with kids today are working two jobs to stay off welfare and balance the budget, and those are the lucky ones they simply do not have the time.
So in my humble opinion in todays society America needs good teachers.eace

 

[presluc]

You want to talk in general or about education?

Cutting teachers salaries and benifits won't make a dent in the so cal;led wasteful taxpayer dollars of education.

I can't understand why everytime the government wants to cut something to get more taxes they start at the bottom , where the least money is.
Check out the salaries and benifits at the top of the education spending that's where the big money is.

 

[presluc]

So what if they did have a choice....or rather their parents since they are minors that is.

When parents had godd jobs with fair wages then they have a choice you won't be sending your kids to college on a lower paying job.
Nor will a kid fresh out of High school is going to be able to work his way through college, as for student loans ?
Doesn't matter how intelligent your kid is or how good a person he/she is, or how bad they want to learn more..eace

 

[presluc]

I went to a fantastic public school in lower manhattan. Not sure what hard way you're talking about - I turned out fine.

Sounds like you know New York.

Do you think your school wuld have been so fantastic in say , Harlem, how about Queens???

That's just 2 examples you want more.
The tradgedy is of these schools that there are students who are there to learn, they want to learn.eace

 

[iamitter]

Sounds like you know New York.

Do you think your school wuld have been so fantastic in say , Harlem, how about Queens???

That's just 2 examples you want more.
The tradgedy is of these schools that there are students who are there to learn, they want to learn.eace

Oh, hey, you're going to try and be smart with me now?

I lived in Queens until I left for college and went to public school until 6th grade there.
Went to a middle school in midtown manhattan and a high school in lower manhattan (all while living in queens).

As for harlem, my college was in morningside heights, right below harlem. I went to grad school there, too.


Did I prove your point? Because every school I went to was great (although my college was a private one)

 

[maquiscat]

When parents had godd jobs with fair wages then they have a choice you won't be sending your kids to college on a lower paying job.
Nor will a kid fresh out of High school is going to be able to work his way through college, as for student loans ?
Doesn't matter how intelligent your kid is or how good a person he/she is, or how bad they want to learn more..eace

No by this I mean what if you could choose the school you child went to. Like Europe where the money follows the kid instead of the kid simply going where (s)he is told because of where they live.

 

[ElCid]

Lansing Community College,
The state of Michigan has notified LCC, that tey will cut 9 programs and 17 degrees from LCC.
Rumors say it is part of the new governors plan to save money.
Yet the new governor wants to build a new bridge from Michigan to Canada.
I got nothing against bridges or Canada our good neighbor to the north, but there is a time to spend money on bridges we don't need and now is not the time.
What is it with these Republicans and their bridges, first a bridge to nowhere now a bridge we don't need.
What we in Michigan do need are more intellectual people from college with new ideas.
Now some of you posters may think well that's Michigan's problem, I don't live there.
I remind you of a saying that was quoted in the 40's during Hitler's reign.
"First they came for the unions ,but I belonged to no union it did not concern me"
"Then they came for the communist, but I was no communist it did not concern me"
"Then they came for the Jews ,but I was not Jewish it did not concern me"
" Then they came for me"
Might want to keep an Eye on the university that you plan on going to or sending someone to especialy if it's partly state funded.

America is dangerously confused. It wants more scientists and mathematicians, yet plans to slash and burn public education. It can't have both.

 

[Mayor Snorkum]

Lines like this are BS! I was registered Republician for many years before I found the LP. But not once did I ever look at the letter behind the name of the canidate. I voted for the Democrat or even the independant/3rd party many times because I believe that person to be the better choice.

Democrats are different.

 

[Mayor Snorkum]

So you are saying that all in the Congress lied, CNN lied, MSNB lied even Fox news lied.

I see the right wing has moved up,or should I say down.
It used to be the reason we lost the surplus is the bubble burst in 2000, now it's alright lieing??

You really have to focus.

"There is no spoon."

 

[Salty]

Lansing Community College,

The state of Michigan has notified LCC, that tey will cut 9 programs and 17 degrees from LCC.

Rumors say it is part of the new governors plan to save money.
Yet the new governor wants to build a new bridge from Michigan to Canada.
I got nothing against bridges or Canada our good neighbor to the north, but there is a time to spend money on bridges we don't need and now is not the time.
What is it with these Republicans and their bridges, first a bridge to nowhere now a bridge we don't need.

What we in Michigan do need are more intellectual people from college with new ideas.

Now some of you posters may think well that's Michigan's problem, I don't live there.

I remind you of a saying that was quoted in the 40's during Hitler's reign.

"First they came for the unions ,but I belonged to no union it did not concern me"
"Then they came for the communist, but I was no communist it did not concern me"
"Then they came for the Jews ,but I was not Jewish it did not concern me"
" Then they came for me"

Might want to keep an Eye on the university that you plan on going to or sending someone to especialy if it's partly state funded.

As long as it's accompanied with healthy tax revenues, cut, cut , cut. imho

 

[Mayor Snorkum]

I can not speak for others as for me ,I like to keep extra money in the bank.

That tight rope budget can be a bitch.

If the U.S. government only paid what needs to be paid today we would be broke.

If we had a surplus at least we would have something to bulid on

The "surplus" should be kept in the hands of those who earned it. For short term financing, the goverment can SELL BONDS. People buy bonds voluntarily.

 

[Mayor Snorkum]

Every day families are sitting at the kitchen table pulling their hair out over how to make ends meet. They're cutting out restaurants, vacations and upgrades to the family car. The one thing they're holding onto as long as they can is their children's education. They know that's where the future is. It would be foolish of our leaders to do anything less.

Are you referring to the people wealthy enough to afford private schools for their children? Are those the people "pulling their hair out" trying to pay the bills who are "holding onto" their children's education? This is the argument you're using for not cutting public education funding?

Or are you referring to the people who are sending their kids to a public school, and who are not "holding onto" their children's education because, well, they're not paying for it in the first place?

College is a luxury, and no one going to college should ever expect strangers to help them out with the bills. In fact, if the federal government wasn't there to pump up the money supply, college tuitions would never have been able to reach the ridiculous levels they're at now. Tuition has been sailing into the stratosphere at rates two and three times that of inflation for over three decades now. It's way past time to put an end to that nonsense.

 

[maquiscat]

Democrats are different.

Could you expand on that a little more. Different from what?

 

[Slartibartfast]

Different from what?

Jelly Beans.

 

[Catawba]

Are you referring to the people wealthy enough to afford private schools for their children? Are those the people "pulling their hair out" trying to pay the bills who are "holding onto" their children's education? This is the argument you're using for not cutting public education funding?

Or are you referring to the people who are sending their kids to a public school, and who are not "holding onto" their children's education because, well, they're not paying for it in the first place?

College is a luxury, and no one going to college should ever expect strangers to help them out with the bills. In fact, if the federal government wasn't there to pump up the money supply, college tuitions would never have been able to reach the ridiculous levels they're at now. Tuition has been sailing into the stratosphere at rates two and three times that of inflation for over three decades now. It's way past time to put an end to that nonsense.

Spoken like a person who wants the US to be a future third world nation.

 

[washunut]

Oh, hey, you're going to try and be smart with me now?

I lived in Queens until I left for college and went to public school until 6th grade there.
Went to a middle school in midtown manhattan and a high school in lower manhattan (all while living in queens).

As for harlem, my college was in morningside heights, right below harlem. I went to grad school there, too.


Did I prove your point? Because every school I went to was great (although my college was a private one)

I went to public school in Brooklyn and then went to what may have been the last free university in the nation. That seemed to work out fine as well.

BTW- The college I know around Harlem is Columbia, is that where you went?

 

[presluc]

Oh, hey, you're going to try and be smart with me now?

I lived in Queens until I left for college and went to public school until 6th grade there.
Went to a middle school in midtown manhattan and a high school in lower manhattan (all while living in queens).

As for harlem, my college was in morningside heights, right below harlem. I went to grad school there, too.


Did I prove your point? Because every school I went to was great (although my college was a private one)

Not trying to be smart.

My point is quite simple.

There are some grade schools in America today that are "shal we say" not up to par.
That doesn't mean that some students don't want to learn.

Unless you can garantee that all schools in America are as "fantastic" as the one you went to, and all teachers are as good as the ones you had WELL???

 

[presluc]

No by this I mean what if you could choose the school you child went to. Like Europe where the money follows the kid instead of the kid simply going where (s)he is told because of where they live.

Sounds like a promising idea.
However in America everything is tied to one thing economics, and right now are economy is not good.

The education systeme in America could use a refinement.
There are many examples of wasteful education spending.
However , as I have said in a previous post refinement should not be done with a chainsaw.
If somebody just starts cutting the money they might be like a surgean taking out an appendix with a claw hammer some neccessary organs might be damaged as well.
Education needs a closer inspection than somebody saying we got xxx amount of dollars going into education we're going to cut xx amount of dollars no questions no investigation???