Is Condi Rice A Failure as Sec. of State? (1 Viewer)

[26 X World Champs]

Here's my premise...Condi Rice is the Sec. of State and has fairly good approval ratings (compared to her boss at least). But think about it?

As America's #1 Diplomat how would you rate her? With whom has she had successful diplomatic results? Iraq? Palestine? Lebanon? Russia? North Korea? Syria? Iran? I for one cannot think of one diplomatic success since she became the SOS. Can you?

Consider Iraq. James Baker and the Iraq Study Group is formulating diplomatic suggestions, not Condi Rice. It is James Baker who is being touted as a Special Envoy to the Middle East to seek a diplomatic solution, not Condi Rice.

I think she's a total failure at her job. She doesn't come across as an independent voice like Powell did, she's simply Bush's bitch who parrots everything he says and at the end of the day, very unsuccessfully at that.

Here's my poll question:

Is Condi Rice a Failure as Secretary of State - Please Grade Her?

 

[Deegan]

Why blame this woman Champs, grow up sir, it's the duty of the SOS to do the administrations bidding, direct your anger ther..................oh, you have, I guess you're just not satisfied yet!:roll:

 

[26 X World Champs]

Why blame this woman Champs, grow up sir, it's the duty of the SOS to do the administrations bidding, direct your anger ther..................oh, you have, I guess you're just not satisfied yet!:roll:

I see, so the Sec. of State is not accountable for her actions? According to you she's a puppet, nothing more.

Funny thing is if you look at American history you'll find the best SOS's were those who were independent thinkers and stood on their own two feet. The weak ones were like Condi Rice, they never accomplished anything and were unable to have a voice in their own jobs.

 

[Deegan]

I see, so the Sec. of State is not accountable for her actions? According to you she's a puppet, nothing more.

Funny thing is if you look at American history you'll find the best SOS's were those who were independent thinkers and stood on their own two feet. The weak ones were like Condi Rice, they never accomplished anything and were unable to have a voice in their own jobs.

I never said that, settle down my hysterical friend, of course she is accountable, but only for the Bush policy, for her to venture too far away from that, this would be counter productive.

 

[26 X World Champs]

I never said that, settle down my hysterical friend, of course she is accountable, but only for the Bush policy, for her to venture too far away from that, this would be counter productive.

So what grade would you give her?

 

[CurrentAffairs]

I think she's a total failure at her job. She doesn't come across as an independent voice like Powell did, she's simply Bush's bitch who parrots everything he says and at the end of the day, very unsuccessfully at that.

Who can debate with this frothing partisan drivel? Nothing here is adult enough to discuss.

 

[Deegan]

So what grade would you give her?

I gave her a B, for those dominatrix boots she wore once, too sexy for a SOS!:lol:

 

[Stupiderthanthou]

I think she's a total failure at her job. She doesn't come across as an independent voice like Powell did, she's simply Bush's bitch who parrots everything he says and at the end of the day, very unsuccessfully at that.

Here's my poll question:

Is Condi Rice a Failure as Secretary of State - Please Grade Her?

I rather think that she's a capable woman who's had both hands firmly tied behind her back by the Administration's all-important Loyalty Requirement. If that be the case, it's impossible to know how she would employ them if she had their use, so it's difficult to rate her in terms of capability. In light of that, I answered this question as though it were an up/down vote on Bush foreign policy - I went with a D. Overall, it's been abysmal, but no one with an entire department of professional bureaucrats under him can screw things up completely in that area, especially given how much is beyond his (or, in Condi's case, her) control.

All that being said, it's the actual freedom of her voice rather than how free it sounds that matters, yes?

 

[26 X World Champs]

Who can debate with this frothing partisan drivel? Nothing here is adult enough to discuss.

:rofl Explain to the masses what is partisan about grading the Sec. of State's job performance? What grade would you give her...and WHY?

Can you name any diplomatic successes since she became SOS? Name three, please.

 

[DeeJayH]

:rofl Explain to the masses what is partisan about grading the Sec. of State's job performance?

did you miss this?

she's simply Bush's bitch

Who can debate with this frothing partisan drivel? Nothing here is adult enough to discuss.

this is what he clearly was refering to
your typical partisan hacksmanship
try again champs
or should i call you aquapub (i only use his name because of the utter contempt you have for him, for the 'same' reasons)

 

[26 X World Champs]

did you miss this?


this is what he clearly was refering to
your typical partisan hacksmanship
try again champs
or should i call you aquapub (i only use his name because of the utter contempt you have for him, for the 'same' reasons)

Instead of attacking me why not address the subject of this thread?

So far no one has been able to mention even one successful diplomatic accomplishment by Rice....can you?

 

[CurrentAffairs]

Instead of attacking me why not address the subject of this thread?

Because your thread is laced with the normal yankee venom and the typical baised hate speech you always post. No adult would bother debating it with you.

 

[DeeJayH]

Instead of attacking me why not address the subject of this thread?

So far no one has been able to mention even one successful diplomatic accomplishment by Rice....can you?

Because your thread is laced with the normal yankee venom and the typical baised hate speech you always post. No adult would bother debating it with you.

does that answer your question?

 

[26 X World Champs]

does that answer your question?

Then why are you wasting everyone's time by clicking on "reply"?

Or is it that you cannot admit in public that Rice and Bush have failed in every attempt they've made in diplomacy? Actually, they've mostly avoided even trying to be diplomatic, haven't they?

 

[26 X World Champs]

Because your thread is laced with the normal yankee venom and the typical baised hate speech you always post. No adult would bother debating it with you.

The poll is extremely fair, you can say she stinks or you can say she's the best or anything in between.

I think you're unable to defend her at all, cannot come up with any successes that she's responsible for and therefore you resort to a typical tactic for you, attack the messenger and the thread instead of debating your point of view.

 

[CurrentAffairs]

Then why are you wasting everyone's time by clicking on "reply"?

Or is it that you cannot admit in public that Rice and Bush have failed in every attempt they've made in diplomacy? Actually, they've mostly avoided even trying to be diplomatic, haven't they?

I'd like nothing more than to have a discussion on Rice's successes and failures, but you're not capable of it.

You may now return to phrases like Bush's bitch and Bush's parrot. Good luck finding anyone to join you. Have fun.

 

[DeeJayH]

I'd like nothing more than to have a discussion on Rice's successes and failures, but you're not capable of it.

You may now return to phrases like Bush's bitch and Bush's parrot. Good luck finding anyone to join you. Have fun.

ummm
ditto

maybe if you only put up your poll and left out your nonsensical partisan rantings, some might actually engage you
not those that know you
but i am sure there are some newbies who will fall into your 'trap'

 

[Real Korimyr #9]

Rice has been very effective when she isn't being straitjacketed by Cheney. The problem is, this administration only rarely allows diplomacy to be attempted, and then undermines the attempts through belligerent press conferences.

I dislike her because she shares the same dangerous neoconservative agenda as the President, but I have to admit that she's at least competent in pursuing it.

 

[26 X World Champs]

Rice has been very effective when she isn't being straitjacketed by Cheney. The problem is, this administration only rarely allows diplomacy to be attempted, and then undermines the attempts through belligerent press conferences.

I dislike her because she shares the same dangerous neoconservative agenda as the President, but I have to admit that she's at least competent in pursuing it.

Since she has been Sec. of State what has she accomplished, specifically? Sincerely I cannot come up with three things that she's done in the name of diplomacy.

 

[jfuh]

She's definitely not a complete total disaster. But she's neither a diplomat either. "We will not reward bad behavior". Sorry madame secretary, but these are nation states you are addressing, that's hardly the etiquette or protocol for addressing another nation state regardless of - they are not little kids in kindergarten as you have made them out to be and it is why Rice has been quite a very ineffective diplomat.
When contrasted with Madame Albright or Powell, Rice doesn't even come close the the bar. Those two figures were indeed diplomats and had the respect of the international community that Rice is far from gaining.

BTW, who's the coward that voted an A and doesn't have their name revealed?

 

[26 X World Champs]

She's definitely not a complete total disaster. But she's neither a diplomat either. "We will not reward bad behavior". Sorry madame secretary, but these are nation states you are addressing, that's hardly the etiquette or protocol for addressing another nation state regardless of - they are not little kids in kindergarten as you have made them out to be and it is why Rice has been quite a very ineffective diplomat.
When contrasted with Madame Albright or Powell, Rice doesn't even come close the the bar. Those two figures were indeed diplomats and had the respect of the international community that Rice is far from gaining.

BTW, who's the coward that voted an A and doesn't have their name revealed?

Powell was a Diplomat, Rice seems like a parrot. Even today Powell was qoted as saying that Iraq is in a Civil War while Bush and Rice continue to lie to the world and themselves about the reality in Iraq.

I've still not seen one post here that has listed even one accomplishment Rice can take credit for since becoming Sec. of State almost three years ago.

Can't anyone think of anything?

 

[jfuh]

Powell was a Diplomat, Rice seems like a parrot. Even today Powell was qoted as saying that Iraq is in a Civil War while Bush and Rice continue to lie to the world and themselves about the reality in Iraq.

I've still not seen one post here that has listed even one accomplishment Rice can take credit for since becoming Sec. of State almost three years ago.

Can't anyone think of anything?

She got China, Russia and all the EU on board to agree that Iran's nuke problem is not a good thing. Just the fact she god France back in on agreeing with us in itself I think it quite the accomplishment.

 

[DeeJayH]

She got China, Russia and all the EU on board to agree that Iran's nuke problem is not a good thing. Just the fact she god France back in on agreeing with us in itself I think it quite the accomplishment.

guess Champs is busy chewing a hole in his pillow
since a member of his own party has brought up an example
'grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr IT must be the end of the world'
Champs must feel like Godzilla in Manhattan right now :lol:

 

[Mr.Clover]

Champs.....you're a child.

I give her a grade B, its unfair to say she is doing a bad job. You have to remember, Bush makes all calls on foreign policy, not her. Condi is just a cabinet member(or, advisor, if you will), and looking at some of the interviews, a very sophisticated cabinent member at that. Only problem is.......Bush don't listen to advice from his cabinet.

 

[26 X World Champs]

She got China, Russia and all the EU on board to agree that Iran's nuke problem is not a good thing. Just the fact she god France back in on agreeing with us in itself I think it quite the accomplishment.

I actually wrote a reply earlier tonight but it was swallowed up by the problem with the site we've had the last 24 hours.

Thank you for naming one thing she's done...but I think it's very minor and the type of accomplishment that was automatic rather than through real diplomacy.

Let's talk about what she's done in North Korea, Palestine, Israel, Lebanon, Syria, Sudan, Darfur etc.?

Have you read "State of Denial"? Woodward has several quotes from co-workers clearly stating that as National Security Advisor she was considered a dismal failure, ineffective and actually BAD at doing the actual job.

Now, as SOS America's diplomatic efforts have digressed since she took over for Colin Powell and the world is less safe and there's less diplomacy today than anytime in recent or perhaps in long term history.

Consider your point? Has there been any actual sanctions or joint actions that have prevented Iran from making nukes? Has there been any dialog between Rice and Iran, Syria or North Korea?

She's a bright woman who has allowed her principles to be compromised as she serves Bush, same as what happened to Powell.

Her legacy as SOS will be recorded as a dismal failure IMHO.