Glad for the response. However, why don't you consider the possibility of the criminal reforming and as a result, ultimately benefit society?
Little Jimmy is innocent the criminal is not.How different is taking away the criminal's life from taking away little Jimmy's life?
Not every murderer is a chainsaw-wielding-serial-child-rapist, what if the crime was circumstantial?
It is indeed unfortunate that Jimmy didn't have a choice before he was killed but who are you to take that choice away from the criminal?
(Just an opposing view, I did vote the same way you did, FYI.)
-Alex
IMO, the government should not be killing it's citizens for any reason. The only logical reason for capital punishment is as revenge. The Government is not in the revenge business.
I sure that kind of reasoning can be applied to life sentences, fines, parole and other forms of punishment not just the death penalty. Some victims and their loved ones want scum to rot behind bars for their rest of their life.
What the victim and their loved one's want is irrelevant to my logic.
Everybody who disagrees with you is a nut. They're not fellow citizens with a different opinion. They're just nuts. :roll:Of course they are irrelevant to you anti-death penalty nuts, you guys have as much compassion for victims and their loved ones as the scum on death row do. Which is why the scum on death row are there and why you and others like you advocate that we should not execute these scum. You advocate that the victims loved ones and honest law abiding citizens should be forced to support these scum for the rest of their lives that we should pay for their room, food, medical care, security, entertainment, libraries, rat lawyers to help them weasel out of their punishment, sex change operation and drugs(in some states) and many other things.
Of course they are irrelevant to you anti-death penalty nuts, you guys have as much compassion for victims and their loved ones as the scum on death row do. Which is why the scum on death row are there and why you and others like you advocate that we should not execute these scum. You advocate that the victims loved ones and honest law abiding citizens should be forced to support these scum for the rest of their lives that we should pay for their room, food, medical care, security, entertainment, libraries, rat lawyers to help them weasel out of their punishment, sex change operation and drugs(in some states) and many other things.
Killing someone for killing someone makes you look like an asshole.
Valid point, but who are we to pressure countries to abolish CP? We are assuming that total civil liberty is what everyone wants (which isn't always true) and that the whole world thinks that democracy and liberty has the moral highground over a more authoritarian mode of governance (which again, is not always true). In fact, it is hypocritical of a nation boasting to facilitate civil and individual liberty while blackmailing another nation into adapting a similar policy through economic sanctions.
AKLee said:I did read an article showing the statistical difference between black executions and white executions awhile back, lemme source for it. Again, this supports the idea of social bias influencing the decision to exercise the death penalty.
-Alex
InterestingI support the death penalty being completely abolished world-wide, in all circumstances, and wish there was some way to exert international pressure on nations that still practice it - a reduced willingness to trade with them perhaps, more reluctance shown in allowing them to participate in internatial debates, with the UN being a good mechanism to do this through.
It's awful in practice - it's disproportianetely applied to black/Hispanic offenders, it's hideously expensive to carry out when you factor in all the appeals and the time spent housing inmates prior to them being killed, and most importantly, the danger of executing innocent people, what with a fair few for Death Row inmates being exonerated.
And it's barbaric and idiotic in practice - the state going into the murder business doesn't bring the victims of crime back, it doesn't appear to function as a deterent in any meaningful sense, and it reflects poorly on any nation that practices it. It priorities vegenance above all else, and bloodies our hands. How can we claim to have the moral authority to punish anyone while we kill our own for no good reason?
Interesting
not only do you have blacks & hispanics in Scotland but they are also disproportionately prosecuted like in America
Amazing
I support the principle, but having seen numerous reports that Life imprisonment is cheaper, I am opposed to it on economic factors only
not to mention life in prison is horrible, thats a bonus
Presume a right to life: one for the victim, and one for the perpetrator.IMO, the government should not be killing it's citizens for any reason. The only logical reason for capital punishment is as revenge. The Government is not in the revenge business.
"Opting Out"
Presume a right to life: one for the victim, and one for the perpetrator.
When the perpetrator removes the right to life for the victim, in double entendre, the right to life for the perpetrator is removed.
The argument is procedural, not revenge.
It is given that it is more expensive to implement the death penalty than to implement life in prison.
Yet, death penalty proponents are forsaken resolve.
Death penalty proponents would feel more at ease if life in prison meant until death, without parole.
It is sometimes said, "A miserable life is better than no life at all."
It is sometimes said, "The best revenge is living well."
If the perpetrator is able to conclude that "A miserable life is better than no life at all.", the perpetrator still retains "The best revenge of living well."
Yet, that is often the condition the non-death penalty proponents offer -- a prison system of earned priviledges.
Why else would death row inmates fight so hard to stay alive, if prison were not a sufferable lifestyle?
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