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Yeah, any one using any government service should not be allowed to vote. You drive on a government funded road, you do not get to vote. Just ****ing brilliant.
And yes, I do realize you mean just those people you don't like who get benefits from the government...
The problem here is that you're assuming voting to be a right. This is incorrect.
Really? Do you think that its mention, as a right, in the constitution (including numerous amendments) was simply a mistake?
Yes, There Is A Right To Vote In The Constitution | Constitutional Accountability Center
What Does the US Constitution Say about Voting and Punishment? - Felon Voting - ProCon.org
no, those who take take take and don't' give give give
you having served in the military have paid your dues so I am not talking about yanking your ability to vote
Every one takes, every one gives. Trying to pick and chose who is the right kind of giver and who is the right kind of taker is a sad, vile little plan.
actually nothing actually requires a right to vote. The 17th amendment is an abomination and we need to get rid of it. But the point I was making is that former felon status doesn't mean much to me
True, but is it constitutional to give you the right to vote but tell people who are likely to vote differently than you, "there's no constitutional right for anyone to vote. Go home."?
What does a social contract mean if voting rights are withheld? Upon release, suspension of rights must be rescinded with immediate effect, or there's an argument for why they should henceforth be bound by the laws of the land.
I'm assuming you're referring exclusively to instances where either status or contravention renders the point moot.Actually the laws of the land are binding on all those who reside in it, regardless of whether they can vote or not. But I agree that citizens of a country should not be deprived of their right to vote solely on the basis of a criminal conviction.
First, let me say I have traditionally opposed felons having the right to vote. However, in 2012 with what seemed to ME to be deliberate efforts to create obstacles for certain people to vote based on how they are likely to vote, I began to ponder the legality to restrictions and hindrances to voting and the one man one vote concept. I might be missing something, admittedly, but I see nothing in the constitution that justifies stripping an an American citizen of their civil rights with the exception of involuntary servitude specifically limited to the duration of their sentance. This means, if I'm correct felons have a right to vote after their incarceration. I also believe, not based on any personal desire or agenda but objective understanding of what US citizenship affords, specifically equal protection under the law; felons currently incarcerated also have a right to vote no different than their rights to access to the courts.
Have fun responding.
...and every single other right restored as well.I could see the argument for forbidding felons who are still serving their time from voting but I feel that once you finish your prison time you should have every single right to vote.
I think it's purely punitive, and mostly for show. Most criminal types aren't exactly concerned thoughtful citizens who would want to vote anyway.I dont know if there is Constitutional justification or not but IMO convicted felons should regain their right to vote after they are released. I'm not sure they should lose it upon conviction either.
Is it just a punitive measure or is there some other foundation for it?
Once their time is served all rights and I mean all rights need to be restored to them.
First, let me say I have traditionally opposed felons having the right to vote. However, in 2012 with what seemed to ME to be deliberate efforts to create obstacles for certain people to vote based on how they are likely to vote, I began to ponder the legality to restrictions and hindrances to voting and the one man one vote concept. I might be missing something, admittedly, but I see nothing in the constitution that justifies stripping an an American citizen of their civil rights with the exception of involuntary servitude specifically limited to the duration of their sentance. This means, if I'm correct felons have a right to vote after their incarceration. I also believe, not based on any personal desire or agenda but objective understanding of what US citizenship affords, specifically equal protection under the law; felons currently incarcerated also have a right to vote no different than their rights to access to the courts.
Have fun responding.
After the punishment phase is completed to the satisfaction of the courts (this would include probation), ALL rights and liberties of the individual should once again recognized.
Yea, because we need to extent back to them their gun rights. Once they have already proved they cant live in civil society.
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