Is atheism a religion?

[new coup for you]

It's hard for your ego to be inflated when you are smarter and more enlightened and more evolved than 95% of the world. Christians would have us back in the dark ages. Atheists would have us move forward to an age of light. I think it's clear which is the better, superior and far more intelligent group.

i love it when proof for my statements manifests itself.

when atheists compare themselves to the religous in terms of intelectual capacity they usually choose both easy and obvious targets; slack jawed evangelist yokels thank can barely read- Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, etc.

read Thomas Aquinas, there is no doubt in my mind that he could spank you academically.

 

[sissy-boy]

i love it when proof for my statements manifests itself.

when atheists compare themselves to the religous in terms of intelectual capacity they usually choose both easy and obvious targets; slack jawed evangelist yokels thank can barely read- Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, etc.

read Thomas Aquinas, there is no doubt in my mind that he could spank you academically.

You gotta admit, he's got a very valid point. The scientific community certainly is not 'Christian'. And neither is the arts community. Can you name a modern christian evangelist that IS smart?? Name a few Christian fundamentalist evangelists off to me who's names everyone would know and is alive today who is smarter than somone like Noam Chomsky.

 

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did you read my post or blindly hit the quote button? i addmitted evangelist fundamentalists are inbred white trash.

Many, many great scientists were men who had faith play a role in their lives.

I used to feel the same way as you about religion but then i turned 15.

 

[SHodges]

i love it when proof for my statements manifests itself.

when atheists compare themselves to the religious in terms of intellectual capacity they usually choose both easy and obvious targets; slack jawed evangelist yokels thank can barely read- Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, etc.

read Thomas Aquinas, there is no doubt in my mind that he could spank you academically.

Robertson and Falwell are the religious leaders of the majority of Christians, they're targets because they are the cream of the religious crop, which speaks more to the sad state of affairs of Christians than anything else. As for Aquinas, I assure you that I am smarter, though using 1 man as an example in an argument about generalities isn't a very good tactic. A simple "I said most" get out of jail free card kind of ruins that for you.

 

[SHodges]

did you read my post or blindly hit the quote button? i admitted evangelist fundamentalists are inbred white trash.

Many, many great scientists were men who had faith play a role in their lives.

I used to feel the same way as you about religion but then i turned 15.

You forgot to admit that evangelists are the religious leaders of most, and represent their beliefs perfectly. Therefore, most of the religious are "inbred white trash".

And many, many great scientists were men who also saw themselves trying harder and harder to reconcile their faith with their data. Being religious because you were raised that way doesn't really matter, at all. The scientists that you refer to stopped acting religious the second they tried to give the world an explanation of it's workings beyond "God did it".

And I find your assumption that atheism is simply teenage rebellion offensive. Like you can't accept that some see past the veil of superstition that makes up your religion or something. Almost like you're worshiping your own inflated ego in assuming that our differing beliefs can only be explained this way...

 

[sissy-boy]

did you read my post or blindly hit the quote button? i addmitted evangelist fundamentalists are inbred white trash.

Many, many great scientists were men who had faith play a role in their lives.

I used to feel the same way as you about religion but then i turned 15.

I think you ARE correct about the scientists, BUT most of the scientists who DID have a 'faith' were from a time long gone and I doubt that in the age we have today that these same thinkers would still have a belief in a Supreme BEING. I am not an atheist though, and you seem to think that I am. What made you join a church at 15 of all ages???

 

[new coup for you]

Robertson and Falwell are the religious leaders of the majority of Christians, they're targets because they are the cream of the religious crop, which speaks more to the sad state of affairs of Christians than anything else. As for Aquinas, I assure you that I am smarter, though using 1 man as an example in an argument about generalities isn't a very good tactic. A simple "I said most" get out of jail free card kind of ruins that for you.

i'm Catholic, they don't represent me or my faith.

Read the Summa Theologica or any of his other works, he's a rhetorical and theological genuis.

some other great Catholic scientists:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Catholic_Scientists

 

[kal-el]

I agree with all your wrote about religion. I see the evidence of evolution being factual almost every time I watch a show about nature. Science shows present it as fact in almost every instance. They don't do that because it is CONVENIENT -- they do it because it is the truth. But about the random chance theory: you forget the most important of all. That we live in an INFINITE Universe. That means that 'random chance' is infinite as well. My idea of the Universe is that since there are infinite ways in which celestial bodies collided and mixed throughout our Universe and the INFINITE numbers of Universes out there, that there must be infinite life out there as well. Doesn't that make sense?? I'd much rather be part of the 'Mystery' of the Univserse than part of some group that PRETENDS to know all the answers OF it.

I definetly I am Not one to forget that we live in an INFINITE universe. All those elderly people, encrusted in their dusty old traditions, space exploration proves them wrong.

Long ago, when everyone beleived that the world was flat and was the center of the universe, with the sun and stars circleing around like subjects obediently adoring their king, it was very easy to beleive in a "God" with a white beard sitting in a cloud, who created it all in one week.

Now we know the world is'nt flat. And we know it rotates on its own axis, and around the sun- which is nothing but itself a shooting star around our galaxy. And we know that our little planet is not even the biggest in our own solar system, and our solar system is'nt in the downtown area of our galaxy- its in the sticks. We also know that our universe is composed of an infinite number of galaxies.

As Giordano Bruno said, there is an infinite number of inhabited planets like ours. And because of this, he was burned by the Vatican. We have checked the clouds (people go there all the time by plane), and so far there is no white-bearded "God" anywhere. We have went another step further to the moon, and noone found a white-bearded "God". And now, our deep-space telescopes can see even more distant in the universe, but there is still no white-bearded "God" in sight. Space exploration, along with Biology, is helping to destroy this dangerous myth of "God"- a myth responsible for so many wars, torturings and crimes.

 

[new coup for you]

I think you ARE correct about the scientists, BUT most of the scientists who DID have a 'faith' were from a time long gone and I doubt that in the age we have today that these same thinkers would still have a belief in a Supreme BEING. I am not an atheist though, and you seem to think that I am. What made you join a church at 15 of all ages???

I can't name any modern scientists, religious or not. Modern scientific methodology rewards far less personal notoriety then in past ages. Scientists work in large well coordinated teams funded by universities and corporations. Science is no longer the product of inspired individuals.

The Catholic church gave us some of mans greatest monuments, perserved western civilizations durring its darkest era and gave us one of the finest education systems known to man. Don't beleive me? Ask a Jesuit a question. About anything. Do it.

What did atheism and modernism give us?

The murder factory known communism.

 

[SHodges]

i'm Catholic, they don't represent me or my faith.

Read the Summa Theologica or any of his other works, he's a rhetorical and theological genuis.

some other great Catholic scientists:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Catholic_Scientists

They represent all of Christianity. They may not represent you, but you're in the minority, and having read some of your posts, I believe they in fact do represent your beliefs, whether you'd like to admit it or not. And I'm afraid it's impossible to be both theological and a genius at the same time, just as it's impossible to be a truly religious and truly great scientists. Religion hates science and the progress it brings, as it erodes the myths on which it bases it's power.

 

[new coup for you]

hardcore evenaglists hate Catholics, and don't even consider them Christian. It's just unbeleivably stupid and ignorant to say psycho televevangelists represent all Christians. No more then Micheal Moore represents all leftists, or Marx represents all atheists.

The differences between Protestantism and Catholicsm and many and distinct.

 

[SHodges]

Hardcore evangelists spend their time hating gays and episcopalian, they hardly ever mention catholics. And what the televangelist considers "Christian" is irrelevant, it's the fact that Catholics consider themselves Christian and that these same televangelists decide what "modern" Christian beliefs are that matters. As for your last two examples, for the most part, that's very true. Most liberals agree with Moore, and most atheists agree with Marx, insofar as religious matters go. Saying "1 liberal/atheist disagrees with Moore/Marx, you're wrong!!" doesn't work chief.

 

[new coup for you]

All liberals agree with Moore
All atheists are Marxists
This is what you're putting forward. I'm not rebutting it, i'll let passing years and the development of your maturity do it for me.

But i can't resist on the Catholic part. You are aware that the Church has a vast and ancient hierarchy? That it predates the modern eveangelical movement by more then 1500 yearss? That the POPE and the Vatican, by canon law, dictates the Church not Jerry Farwell?

 

[SHodges]

Still with the assumption that differing view points only arise from lack of maturity. Not very intelligent of you. I can only hope that the passing years and the development of your maturity imbue with better debating skills.

Yes, I know that. You clearly do not know what I am talking about. Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson and those like him have far more influence with the people than Ratzinger could hope to have. How many people ever hear the Pope speak, via television or other means? Very, very few. These guys? Virtually everyone in the civilized world at least once. Your 1500 hierarchy that has been swamped with controversy and accusations of inaction have very little power with the people themselves when compared to the ones that I've listed. I only hope this fact isn't as lost on you as the irony of telling someone they must be immature for having the sheer audacity to disagree with you...

And as an aside, I do believe that I said most and not all when I made my statements about Moore and Marx. Do try to read that which you argue with. Thanks a million.

 

[new coup for you]

Still with the assumption that differing view points only arise from lack of maturity. Not very intelligent of you. I can only hope that the passing years and the development of your maturity imbue with better debating skills.

Yes, I know that. You clearly do not know what I am talking about. Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson and those like him have far more influence with the people than Ratzinger could hope to have. How many people ever hear the Pope speak, via television or other means? Very, very few. These guys? Virtually everyone in the civilized world at least once. Your 1500 hierarchy that has been swamped with controversy and accusations of inaction have very little power with the people themselves when compared to the ones that I've listed. I only hope this fact isn't as lost on you as the irony of telling someone they must be immature for having the sheer audacity to disagree with you...

And as an aside, I do believe that I said most and not all when I made my statements about Moore and Marx. Do try to read that which you argue with. Thanks a million.

you deny even the existence of differing view points

"Saying "1 liberal/atheist disagrees with Moore/Marx, you're wrong!!" doesn't work chief."

 

[SHodges]

Hardly. I simply deny their foundation in logic and observable facts, seeing as that foundation is simply...missing. It's obvious however that differing view points do exist. Not everyone can be as enlightened as I'd like afterall.

 

[sissy-boy]

I can't name any modern scientists, religious or not. Modern scientific methodology rewards far less personal notoriety then in past ages. Scientists work in large well coordinated teams funded by universities and corporations. Science is no longer the product of inspired individuals.

The Catholic church gave us some of mans greatest monuments, perserved western civilizations durring its darkest era and gave us one of the finest education systems known to man. Don't beleive me? Ask a Jesuit a question. About anything. Do it.

What did atheism and modernism give us?

The murder factory known communism.

Uhhm...let's see. Where do I begin to explain to you that you suffer from DEMENTIA!??

The Catholic church has brought us MUCH more murder, plunder plillage and death and destruction than the 3rd REICH for chrissakes! When previously only sadists and sociopaths were committing crimes against humanity, the catholic church did the same thing as 'duty' or 'justice'!!

How about we start at the Crusades and Inquisition? Do you realize how many people were murdered simply because they didn't believe the same perversion of Paganism that the Catholic Church did!?! And STILL it is Catholic missions that go to remote parts of the world to create missions for cultures that all along have been doing just FINE! Yet the catholics have to spread their DISEASE like a virtual tsunami, enveloping every country they deem worthy of 'civilization' and with it they bring disease and plague and 'JESUS' who never did anything for ANYONE other than FORCEFEED them the image of a nude and bloody man who willingly accepts the torture in a Supreme act of sado-masochism!

No one wants IN on the teachings of the catholic church -- a cultural 'elite' that only seeks to convert others to thier own perverted 'truth'. The whole church itself is built around LIES and it's injustice towards others. If you are a Catholic, you have blood on your hands by surrounding yourself with the blood that IS the Catholic Church and it's hoodlum elite of pedophile protecting, murderous thugs who don't give a crap about anyone except those it can trick into handing over their life savings.

 

[new coup for you]

many, many more people died in the Great Terror, collectivization, the five year plans, The Great Leap Forward, The Cultural Revolution, and Pol Pots reign of murder.

 

[sissy-boy]

All liberals agree with Moore
All atheists are Marxists
This is what you're putting forward. I'm not rebutting it, i'll let passing years and the development of your maturity do it for me.

But i can't resist on the Catholic part. You are aware that the Church has a vast and ancient hierarchy? That it predates the modern eveangelical movement by more then 1500 yearss? That the POPE and the Vatican, by canon law, dictates the Church not Jerry Farwell?

Now your stereotypical McCarthism REALLY shows, and is in sync with your intolerance for anyone who's humanly SANE and knows the TRUTH about Catholicisms blood all over it's hands.

 

[new coup for you]

Stalin killed more people then any pope. Stalin and Mao together killed more people then all the Popes combined.

 

[sissy-boy]

many, many more people died in the Great Terror, collectivization, the five year plans, The Great Leap Forward, The Cultural Revolution, and Pol Pots reign of murder.

yeah, right. And some of those the Catholic church even SUPPORTED! Why do you think that the bank of the Vatican is offering holocaust survivors REPARATIONS?!?!?


EVERY war is about 1 of THREE things: God, LAND, or OIL. And it's about TIME that we got rid of 'GOD'.

 

[new coup for you]

the Catholic Church didnt support any of those. They were all Communist intiatives. The Catholic Church isnt fond of communism.

war is about distribution of resources, how people justify their violent redistribution of resources is unimportant.

 

[sissy-boy]

Stalin killed more people then any pope. Stalin and Mao together killed more people then all the Popes combined.

Well, I have to say that it is really a SHAME that you even have to be in a position to ARGUE how many lives were destroyed by Catholicism! The fact that your church has even PARTICIPATED in genocides at ALL is reason for any SANE person to excuse themselves from such a subhuman church!

 

[sissy-boy]

the Catholic Church didnt support any of those. They were all Communist intiatives. The Catholic Church isnt fond of communism.

war is about distribution of resources, how people justify their violent redistribution of resources is unimportant.

I think that you have Communism somehow mixed up with Fascism. There's a BIG difference.

 

[new coup for you]

Great Terror- Stalin's insane purges, killed millions
Collectivization- the soviet seisure of private property and reorganization into collectively owned farms. millions starve
five year plans- poor conceived soviet economic schemes, millions die from starvation
The Great Leap Forward- Maos economic and cultural intiative, millions die from starvation
The Cultural Revolution- Maos culturlal reorganization millions die from purges
Pol Pots reign of murder- about a million die from the Khmer Rouges purges

notice some repeated words? PURGES and STARVATION

none of those crimes were committed by fascists.